EPTSerral wins IEM Katowice 2024 - Page 2
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LostUsername100
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Nasigil
137 Posts
herO vs Cure G3 - unbelievable micro to hold push being down 40 army supply and comeback Byun vs Gumiho G2 - just all around entertaining TvT Maru vs Cyan G2 - surprising upset in a late game PvT no less, Cyan played out of his mind herO vs Reynor G2 - all around entertaining high level late game PvZ | ||
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FFXthebest
75 Posts
On February 15 2024 23:04 Itsxjoeyy wrote: I can't tell if you're trolling or just on some really hard drugs...$150,000 for 1st place but no one was trying hard for it? and so because serral dropped map to hero that makes Maru better than serral now? even though serral wins almost every series they play? serral is the undisputed goat, there is no more debate. It’s just Maru fans coping. Funny how he brings up post kespa, yet Maru won majority of his post kespa against a super weak Koreans in GSL Serral has been stomping Maru for 4-5 years already. Serral has already lapped the field once-twice already. Everyone is just competing for 2nd And most importantly, thank you Wax for a fantastic write up | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary409 Posts
both played very well <3 was sad to see them eliminated | ||
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Comedy
469 Posts
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria925 Posts
On February 15 2024 23:06 yezzir88 wrote: Still can't claim GOAT without a single Code S title. You can when all of your titles are coming against the same players. If Serral’s only goal was to win a Code S title in 2024, he would easily get it. All of his peers would tell you the same, and multiple Koreans have made similar comments. If you think otherwise you don’t know the game. There is no value to him sacrificing months living there for such a small prize pool. | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2271 Posts
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Durnuu
13324 Posts
On February 15 2024 23:06 yezzir88 wrote: Still can't claim GOAT without a single Code S title. As someone who agrees somewhat with this take*, would it really make a difference at this stage, considering code S can't even be filled with 16 good korean players? It wouldn't matter one bit imho. Even the argument of preparation vs weekender no longer matters to me, with the meta being so stale ansmd every game looking like the next, even in code S. *As in, yes code S is still by far the most competitive tournament and prep > weekender | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1250 Posts
Congratulations again to Serral. He's the GoaT. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27041 Posts
On February 16 2024 00:21 Durnuu wrote: As someone who agrees somewhat with this take*, would it really make a difference at this stage, considering code S can't even be filled with 16 good korean players? It wouldn't matter one bit imho. Even the argument of preparation vs weekender no longer matters to me, with the meta being so stale ansmd every game looking like the next, even in code S. *As in, yes code S is still by far the most competitive tournament and prep > weekender Odd given same genre, same company but I’m reminded of Happy in WC3. He wasn’t the man in the times where your Grubbys and Moons of the world were duking it out for things like WCG in WC3’s peak. But in latter day WC3 he very much has been, and his numbers are frankly absurd, but in a game whose heyday has past. I think in both cases comparisons across eras are just impossible to do, so I pick the copout option and think it’s fair to crown them both BOATs (best of…), where the GOAT question remains unanswered, and perhaps unanswerable. If you had to pick one dude to play a Bo69 against some egotistical alien overlord for the fate of the Earth, and they allow us to travel back in time to grab folks in their prime in the interests of fairness. A year for hardcore prep time, who you picking? I’m probably going Serral/Happy for their respective games. And yeah 100% agreed, the player pool dropping sucked, but the worst aspect of recent GSL changes is combining the Ro4/finals day. It really erodes that prep aspect which is the USP of GSL. | ||
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Durnuu
13324 Posts
On February 16 2024 00:40 WombaT wrote: Odd given same genre, same company but I’m reminded of Happy in WC3. He wasn’t the man in the times where your Grubbys and Moons of the world were duking it out for things like WCG in WC3’s peak. But in latter day WC3 he very much has been, and his numbers are frankly absurd, but in a game whose heyday has past. I think in both cases comparisons across eras are just impossible to do, so I pick the copout option and think it’s fair to crown them both BOATs (best of…), where the GOAT question remains unanswered, and perhaps unanswerable. If you had to pick one dude to play a Bo69 against some egotistical alien overlord for the fate of the Earth, and they allow us to travel back in time to grab folks in their prime in the interests of fairness. A year for hardcore prep time, who you picking? I’m probably going Serral/Happy for their respective games. And yeah 100% agreed, the player pool dropping sucked, but the worst aspect of recent GSL changes is combining the Ro4/finals day. It really erodes that prep aspect which is the USP of GSL. Oh yeah great point, I forgot about the combined ro4 and finals. | ||
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Glorfindelio
223 Posts
On GSL--I used to hold this against him quite a bit as well. However, he's been remarkably consistent about his stance, in that it doesn't make sense for him personally or professionally or financially. Very rarely in life do people that are singularly great at anything (sports, music, business, etc.) do things they don't want to do, simply for the sake of others. And based on his results, I can't really say he's wrong. Thank you, Wax, for the article. | ||
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bagstone
8 Posts
On February 15 2024 22:19 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: and because Katowice doesn't give as much money anymore I'm not sure if everyone was trying hard for it, compared to GSL Yes, Koreans aren't interested in the IEM Katowice $150,000 first place money and are saving builds for the $3,755 GSL win. Makes total sense now! | ||
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Durnuu
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Itsxjoeyy
30 Posts
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Glorfindelio
223 Posts
On February 16 2024 01:26 Durnuu wrote: I think we should do a study on the IQ of the average Serral fan vs people that are more skeptical, because the amount of people that got baited by Yoshi has me flabbergasted. People are so thirsty to discredit and disrespect the man (forgive me, aren't there three separate forum topics attempting to do so?) that I chalk it up to reaping what you sow. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
Thus, by now having three of StarCraft II's greatest prizes in hand, and having been the most daunting presence in the competitive scene from 2018 to 2024, I believe the title of "GOAT" is now Serral's undisputed honor. Serral is undeniably GOAT 2018-2024 just by pure consistency winning at least 2 "competitive" Premier tournaments (aka beating at least two Koreans in tournament, offline if possible) per year for 6 years. Here's the data: 2018: GSL vs World > Innovation, Dark, Stats Blizzcon > sOs, Zest, Dark, Rogue, Stats HomeStory Cup > soO, Trap, Bunny x 2, Taeja, Innovation 2019: GSL vs World > TY, Trap, Classic HomeStory Cup > soO, Trap, Zest, Innovation 2020 (online only due to COVID): Dreamhack Summer > Innovation, TY, Cure, Trap Dreamhack Winter > Trap, Stats 2021 (online only due to COVID): Dreamhack Fall > Zoun, Trap x 2, Bunny NeXT Masters > Classic, Zest 2022: IEM Katowice > Dark, Ryung, Maru, Rogue HomeStory Cup > Ryung, Creator, soO TSL 9 (online/offline) > Solar, Gumiho, Maru 2023: ESL Summer > Dark, Classic, Gumiho Master's Coliseum (online) > Maru x 2, Gumiho, Dark, ByuN, Cure 2024 so far: Master's Coliseum (online) > Solar x 2, Maru, Cure, herO IEM Katowice > ByuN, Dark, Maru This is not including all the times Serral beat world-class foreigners like Reynor and Clem especially in the ESL Europe or region-locked Dreamhacks in 2018-2019. Another way to put it: Serral participated in 61 Premier tournaments from 2018 till now (~10 tournaments a year), and has only not made top 8 three times. He has 25 gold, 11 silver, 10 semifinal, and 12 quarterfinal finishes, so the chance of Serral winning a Premier tournament since 2018 on average is 41%, 59% to make it to the grand final, 75% to reach at least top 4, 95% to reach at least top 8. This is basically saying for at least 6 years now, when Serral enters a Premier tournament: - he's almost guaranteed to reach top 8 - once top 8, his chance to advance to top 4 is more than 3 in 4 - once top 4, his chance to advance to the grand final is about 4 in 5 - and once he's in the grand final, his chance to win it all is more than 2 in 3. Lastly, according to Aligulac, Serral's win rate against Koreans since 2018 is 69% in games and 79% in matches. If you narrow it down to just offline Bo3+, it's 68% in games and 78% in matches. | ||
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LostUsername100
96 Posts
On February 16 2024 01:26 Durnuu wrote: I think we should do a study on the IQ of the average Serral fan vs people that are more skeptical, because the amount of people that got baited by Yoshi has me flabbergasted. To be fair, for the longest time it was impossible to tell if the korean fans were trolling. It's been 6 years and the cope is still going strong. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Also, of all Top Players, It was Serral who was picked to play against AI. Etc. Etc. | ||
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