EPTClassic was the high seed not Cure who only got to the playoff until he beat Dark 2-0 in R5.
I hope someone does a replay explanation video of Maru vs Clem, that was so cool but my understanding of TvT is limited.
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muppet70
Sweden72 Posts
Classic was the high seed not Cure who only got to the playoff until he beat Dark 2-0 in R5. I hope someone does a replay explanation video of Maru vs Clem, that was so cool but my understanding of TvT is limited. | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
I am pretty sure PiG or ZG will do a replay cast of the event, basically Maru F up another TvT match because he didnt scout or get map vision imo. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7088 Posts
On August 07 2023 17:05 tigera6 wrote: Reynor ZvT is god-tier against Terran who like to push and harrass non-stop because his micro and split are insane. He has traditionally struggle against the "camping" style with Ghost or Mech from Maru but we barely seeing it in these playoff. I am pretty sure PiG or ZG will do a replay cast of the event, basically Maru F up another TvT match because he didnt scout or get map vision imo. I think that is basically the gist of it: Maru repeatedly got surprised that Clem was already standing on his front door. Smart play by Clem, sloppy by Maru | ||
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Curufinwe Feanor
Brazil91 Posts
On August 07 2023 16:49 muppet70 wrote: While Reynor and Cure were a bit lucky who both dodged Maru and Serral they really performed in the final bracket and Reynor really showed domination, he lost ONE map in the playoffs, thats crazy. Classic was the high seed not Cure who only got to the playoff until he beat Dark 2-0 in R5. I hope someone does a replay explanation video of Maru vs Clem, that was so cool but my understanding of TvT is limited. It reminds me Taeja going 17 - 0 in Dreamhack | ||
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luxon
United States117 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
- Format, thought it worked well throughout. - Most players turned up, there weren’t many blowouts or really uncompetitive series early on. - Production and casting was generally good. The filler material they used was quite fun too, especially enjoyed Cure and Creator’s art skills Dislikes: - Ping, seems silly for this to be a factor for such a huge tournament. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7088 Posts
On August 08 2023 03:17 luxon wrote: This was a very well run tournament, high production value, and an insane cash injection into an otherwise dying scene. This is easily the biggest event of the year, but SC fans really didnt come through, i can't possibly see Gamers8 continuing to support when ~6k viewers turned up. Sure I also stopped watching after all the protosses got eliminated but overall, it's a bad showing. TL did no marketing around it unlike for Blizzcons. And all the other threads are questioning the source of the prize pool. The largest sports, companies, and industries in the world take Saudi money but somehow the poorest of beggars are the choosiest of what keeps the scene alive. Kinda disappointing. Where did you get this number from? On the first day there were 23k viewers on main stream on Twitch alone. Didn't check YT | ||
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sophiagracie
3 Posts
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tommey.liang
United States363 Posts
Was like whoa and tuned into the SC2 portion. Sad for Clem to beat Dark, Oliveira and seven-time GSL champ Maru to go out 0-3 vs. Reynor. But Riccardo's archon mode training is like Dragon Ball Z's hyperbolic chamber training. Congrats to Riccardo. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
On August 08 2023 03:17 luxon wrote: TL did no marketing around it unlike for Blizzcons. And all the other threads are questioning the source of the prize pool. The largest sports, companies, and industries in the world take Saudi money but somehow the poorest of beggars are the choosiest of what keeps the scene alive. Kinda disappointing. In my view, TL.net staff handled this well. Want to discuss the actual games in the tournament on TL.net? You can do that. Want to discuss the human rights violations of the Saudi regime whose Ministry of Sport is organizing the tournament on TL.net? You can do that too. TL.net staff acted smart by not taking a public position and by not getting entangled in the sportswashing issue by actively promoting this tournament either. | ||
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
Reynor put on a ZvT clinic in the finals, sheesh | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On August 09 2023 05:47 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: In my view, TL.net staff handled this well. Want to discuss the actual games in the tournament on TL.net? You can do that. Want to discuss the human rights violations of the Saudi regime whose Ministry of Sport is organizing the tournament on TL.net? You can do that too. TL.net staff acted smart by not taking a public position and by not getting entangled in the sportswashing issue by actively promoting this tournament either. 100 percent agreed. Team Liquid has been awesome about the controversial nature of this event. They got out in front of it, and handled it like pros. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On August 09 2023 13:45 Vindicare605 wrote: 100 percent agreed. Team Liquid has been awesome about the controversial nature of this event. They got out in front of it, and handled it like pros. As they almost always do. There were threads, and let’s be fair there’s less writers around to do previews in general theses days. Outside of Katowice TL doesn’t do a huge amount of hyping of tournaments, we’ll get a preview and some recaps of GSL/WCS/other internationals but nothing on the scale we used to get. And I’ve no particular issue with that, outside of recruiting new writers etc who have a ton of time/addiction to TL (hello me) there’s just less bandwidth. Especially considering a big chunk of people still on here know the tournaments and keep an eye on them. If publicly and numbers weren’t as they could be I’d be far more inclined to blame r/Starcraft then I would TL tbh. Or one of no doubt a million SC Discords It’s the stop for a wider demographic, folks like Frost Giant eschew that platform in favour of something like TL, but maybe the conversion rate isn’t all that hot | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17267 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1913 Posts
And, yeah, coca cola is poison. Oh well. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1913 Posts
On August 09 2023 22:23 WombaT wrote: As they almost always do. There were threads, and let’s be fair there’s less writers around to do previews in general theses days. Outside of Katowice TL doesn’t do a huge amount of hyping of tournaments, we’ll get a preview and some recaps of GSL/WCS/other internationals but nothing on the scale we used to get. And I’ve no particular issue with that, outside of recruiting new writers etc who have a ton of time/addiction to TL (hello me) there’s just less bandwidth. Especially considering a big chunk of people still on here know the tournaments and keep an eye on them. If publicly and numbers weren’t as they could be I’d be far more inclined to blame r/Starcraft then I would TL tbh. Or one of no doubt a million SC Discords It’s the stop for a wider demographic, folks like Frost Giant eschew that platform in favour of something like TL, but maybe the conversion rate isn’t all that hot Not having more coverage of this was a conscious choice. It has nothing to do with the number of writers. If you think I couldn't have cranked out a preview in 30 minutes you're wrong. But I stand by the decisions made by those above me and I honestly believe they are in the right for coming to this determination. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On August 10 2023 01:11 Mizenhauer wrote: Not having more coverage of this was a conscious choice. It has nothing to do with the number of writers. If you think I couldn't have cranked out a preview in 30 minutes you're wrong. But I stand by the decisions made by those above me and I honestly believe they are in the right for coming to this determination. Can’t disagree with that, wasn’t aware but cheers for the clarification. Wasn’t saying you folks aren’t up to it believe me! Just there’s a bit less hyping of events compared to say, 5/6 years ago and I think some people are comparing the lack thereof to how other events were hyped in that period rather than now | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On August 10 2023 01:11 Mizenhauer wrote: Not having more coverage of this was a conscious choice. It has nothing to do with the number of writers. If you think I couldn't have cranked out a preview in 30 minutes you're wrong. But I stand by the decisions made by those above me and I honestly believe they are in the right for coming to this determination. I don't necessarily condemn the decision, but I think in times like this there's room for debates on the issue. What keeps the big SC2 tournaments going is ESL and whether we like it or not, ESL is highly dependent, even owned by Saudi Arabia. Should TL just stop covering all ESL events because of the ownership? Then SC2 loses even the last bit of coverage remaining. I agree that it's horrible that a country like this pushes as hard into the scene and I think something has to happen to prevent them from taking over the entire scene. But with SC2 and its dependancy on ESL, I think that's already too late. And I'm not sure an event taking place in Saudi Arabia is a much bigger deal than the entire tournament scene being organized and financed by a company that's owned by Saudi Arabia. | ||
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Athenau
571 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On August 12 2023 05:15 Swisslink wrote: I don't necessarily condemn the decision, but I think in times like this there's room for debates on the issue. What keeps the big SC2 tournaments going is ESL and whether we like it or not, ESL is highly dependent, even owned by Saudi Arabia. Should TL just stop covering all ESL events because of the ownership? Then SC2 loses even the last bit of coverage remaining. I agree that it's horrible that a country like this pushes as hard into the scene and I think something has to happen to prevent them from taking over the entire scene. But with SC2 and its dependancy on ESL, I think that's already too late. And I'm not sure an event taking place in Saudi Arabia is a much bigger deal than the entire tournament scene being organized and financed by a company that's owned by Saudi Arabia. One is a matter of reputation laundering, the other is making money. ESL seems reasonably autonomous, to the degree it was actually news to me they got bought by the Saudi state. On the flip side, the Gulf States do have to transition their economies. And if having to diversify necessitates some of the social change that makes us Westerners feel uncomfortable, well that’s a win-win I guess. At present I’m just not seeing a huge amount of evidence that you’re getting much of the latter. In a way Scarlett not qualifying was a pity on 3 fronts. For her and her career, for her many fans but also as what would have been an interesting litmus test. The counter argument tends to be shrouded in rhetoric about past grievances, or Western imperialism and imposition of values elsewhere on the globe. Personally I think it’s a stupid argument because we’re talking about various cherished institutions in the West, or a more global sense (like the World Cup) getting bought out. The Saudis can run their own league as they see fit, but if I’m a Newcastle fan they’re buying a social institution with over a century of tradition that’s a community hub and I can’t do shit about it. | ||
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