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The StarCraft II Legends tournament was won by MC, while the Brood War/Remastered Legends tournament was won by FanTaSy. Each event awarded $50,000 in total prize money to the participants.
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TL.net ESPORTS
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The StarCraft II Legends tournament was won by MC, while the Brood War/Remastered Legends tournament was won by FanTaSy. Each event awarded $50,000 in total prize money to the participants.
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1691 Posts
He deserves WAY MORE respect in history as one of the BEST players to EVER play SC2 Triple crown winner, GSLx2, multiple NA + EU wins, Most clutch GSTL player ever. One of the few to be able to beat IMMvp multiple times including a GSL finals. Literally created the drop harass style for Terrans, even without medivac boost. Literally could count on one hand the number of players who have accomplished what he has | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10346 Posts
I also really would have loved to see Classic vs Reynor in the Grand Finals... it would have been so epic, based on Classic's PvZ vs Reynor and Serral earlier in the tournament. Oh well, it's really cool he's coming back to form and maybe GSL will have some more Protoss hope now! | ||
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tlnetuser108
83 Posts
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tigera6
3404 Posts
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yubo56
688 Posts
 I would say that I'd prefer more parallel streams and shorter days during the triple elim, as a bit of a hot take. Since the matches aren't super high stakes anyway, I'd rather the days be shorter so that I don't have to spend 12 hours in front of a screen to see dark play the only two series I really care to see live. It also means the players and casters get more rest, so the playoffs stage is higher quality. If this means more time for playoffs to be played out (of course these all have to be on main stage), that's even better. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
Reynor sure must be happy that Maru and Serral are so shaky in their mirror match ups lately. Also must be happy that his entire playoff bracket was exclusively in his best match up. That's how it goes sometimes though. I think the highlight of the tournament for me was Elazer vs Spirit. That's a TvZ series you won't soon forget if you saw it, although probably not all for flattering reasons. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1755 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10346 Posts
The stakes were so high you could really feel how desperately hard the players were trying, and how much players were being affected emotionally for each interaction or mistake they made, and how those emotions affect the way they play the rest of the game and how it affects their opponent etc. That's when it gets really intense and fun for me to watch, it's more "sloppy" and back and forth, and more in line with the idea of BW-esque "putting out small fires across the map", rather than 2 players just executing a really clean build and winning in 1 push. Unlike Double Elim I don't get the feeling at all of "oh bad bracket luck", since it's much more unpredictable and you get many more chances. Since it's so unpredictable it also feels like you don't have to "look ahead" and worry about who they'll face next. Some highlights for me was Classic vs Reynor, geez that macro game was so long yet it was intense for the whole 45 mins, unlike stereotypical super lategame PvZs. Since the stakes and prize was so high, guess there really IS a lot that you can do to stay active and gain small advantages, it's just that players are too afraid or don't feel incentivized enough to make more plays in tournies with less stakes. It made me really happy to see that SC2 really DOES allow players to be super active and doing lots of small harass and positional plays all over the map, if players really want to do everything they can to win. Classic vs Serral was cool too, but that macro game wasn't intense or close like the one vs Reynor. As a Creator fan, Creator vs Byun and Creator vs Spirit were sad to me, Creator sac'd his army and lead by attacking into Byun's PF in g3, and vs Spirit g3 he made 1 bad attack, managed to claw back in, then made another bad attack and lost. I rewatched Creator vs Spirit g2, and despite how strong Terran's endgame vs Protoss is, I realize how close to winning that final battle Creator actually was. He literally only needed to build a few more Voids, Carriers, or Stalkers - it didn't really matter which, literally just needed more AA units, to fend off the Vikings and destroy the remaining BCs. He actually had too many Tempests, there was a point where there were 8 BCs left and 12 Tempests left, but still 21 Vikings and only a few Stalkers. If he had a few less Tempests and more Carriers or Stalkers to deal with the Vikings, it would have been a close battle, though he'd probably still slightly lose. But being picky about army composition aside, if he realized he still had that gas geyser at his 3rd, and didn't sac 20 zealots to kill 1 PF and some turrets, he could have just warped in 20 Stalkers or 6 Carriers, he would have had enough to deal with those 21 Vikings, and then his 12 Tempests would have wrecked the last 8 BCs. After winning the fight he would be able to stop Spirit from mining that final mining base and just camp it. It was really amazing though to finally see a pro Protoss actually use recalls properly to fight BCs and work around Warp, and awesome to finally see Protoss properly punish by trying to at least kill 1-2 BCs with Tempests after Warp is burnt as they try to fly away. It really makes me think, is a huge $400k prize pool what's really needed to get pros to do something that seems quite basic and important, in recalling your Tempests away when BCs jump on them? It seems like common sense but I don't remember any other match where pros have consistently done it in the game when they need to. It really makes me wonder if pros are just playing too comfortably these days, like there isn't enough at stake for them to actually try their hardest to do every little thing they can and play as intense games as we saw at Gamers8, with harass and small fights all over. Anyways yeah, Playoffs was really disappointing compared to Group... i really would have liked to see Classic vs Reynor in the Grand Finals, but maybe the gameplay would have been lacking compared to Groups as well. Oh yeah I'm glad MC won, he was my fav. I love that he said Carrier HT Stalker seems like OP mix so he went for it and it worked. It reminded me a glimpse of the old days when "Protoss was OP" (probably it was moreso like they were just balanced in terms of 50/50 winrates), and it makes me a bit sad about its current state. I'm glad he said Blizzard please buff toss, and I wonder if he really is coming back? Or if he just meant to say something cool like "see ya later friends", and not that he's literally coming back? | ||
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shadowyice
17 Posts
Reynor losing first round and the seeding system really took its toll. But I do think his 13 ranking actually quite fits where his play is. Going 2-6 against Reynor, Solar and Clem is so normal, pitch any player against these three and that result wont surprise me, even if it's Maru or Serral. | ||
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muppet70
Sweden72 Posts
Classic was the high seed not Cure who only got to the playoff until he beat Dark 2-0 in R5. I hope someone does a replay explanation video of Maru vs Clem, that was so cool but my understanding of TvT is limited. | ||
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tigera6
3404 Posts
I am pretty sure PiG or ZG will do a replay cast of the event, basically Maru F up another TvT match because he didnt scout or get map vision imo. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6934 Posts
On August 07 2023 17:05 tigera6 wrote: Reynor ZvT is god-tier against Terran who like to push and harrass non-stop because his micro and split are insane. He has traditionally struggle against the "camping" style with Ghost or Mech from Maru but we barely seeing it in these playoff. I am pretty sure PiG or ZG will do a replay cast of the event, basically Maru F up another TvT match because he didnt scout or get map vision imo. I think that is basically the gist of it: Maru repeatedly got surprised that Clem was already standing on his front door. Smart play by Clem, sloppy by Maru | ||
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Curufinwe Feanor
Brazil91 Posts
On August 07 2023 16:49 muppet70 wrote: While Reynor and Cure were a bit lucky who both dodged Maru and Serral they really performed in the final bracket and Reynor really showed domination, he lost ONE map in the playoffs, thats crazy. Classic was the high seed not Cure who only got to the playoff until he beat Dark 2-0 in R5. I hope someone does a replay explanation video of Maru vs Clem, that was so cool but my understanding of TvT is limited. It reminds me Taeja going 17 - 0 in Dreamhack | ||
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luxon
United States112 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25551 Posts
- Format, thought it worked well throughout. - Most players turned up, there weren’t many blowouts or really uncompetitive series early on. - Production and casting was generally good. The filler material they used was quite fun too, especially enjoyed Cure and Creator’s art skills Dislikes: - Ping, seems silly for this to be a factor for such a huge tournament. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6934 Posts
On August 08 2023 03:17 luxon wrote: This was a very well run tournament, high production value, and an insane cash injection into an otherwise dying scene. This is easily the biggest event of the year, but SC fans really didnt come through, i can't possibly see Gamers8 continuing to support when ~6k viewers turned up. Sure I also stopped watching after all the protosses got eliminated but overall, it's a bad showing. TL did no marketing around it unlike for Blizzcons. And all the other threads are questioning the source of the prize pool. The largest sports, companies, and industries in the world take Saudi money but somehow the poorest of beggars are the choosiest of what keeps the scene alive. Kinda disappointing. Where did you get this number from? On the first day there were 23k viewers on main stream on Twitch alone. Didn't check YT | ||
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sophiagracie
3 Posts
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tommey.liang
United States363 Posts
Was like whoa and tuned into the SC2 portion. Sad for Clem to beat Dark, Oliveira and seven-time GSL champ Maru to go out 0-3 vs. Reynor. But Riccardo's archon mode training is like Dragon Ball Z's hyperbolic chamber training. Congrats to Riccardo. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
On August 08 2023 03:17 luxon wrote: TL did no marketing around it unlike for Blizzcons. And all the other threads are questioning the source of the prize pool. The largest sports, companies, and industries in the world take Saudi money but somehow the poorest of beggars are the choosiest of what keeps the scene alive. Kinda disappointing. In my view, TL.net staff handled this well. Want to discuss the actual games in the tournament on TL.net? You can do that. Want to discuss the human rights violations of the Saudi regime whose Ministry of Sport is organizing the tournament on TL.net? You can do that too. TL.net staff acted smart by not taking a public position and by not getting entangled in the sportswashing issue by actively promoting this tournament either. | ||
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Kitai
United States873 Posts
Reynor put on a ZvT clinic in the finals, sheesh | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On August 09 2023 05:47 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: In my view, TL.net staff handled this well. Want to discuss the actual games in the tournament on TL.net? You can do that. Want to discuss the human rights violations of the Saudi regime whose Ministry of Sport is organizing the tournament on TL.net? You can do that too. TL.net staff acted smart by not taking a public position and by not getting entangled in the sportswashing issue by actively promoting this tournament either. 100 percent agreed. Team Liquid has been awesome about the controversial nature of this event. They got out in front of it, and handled it like pros. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25551 Posts
On August 09 2023 13:45 Vindicare605 wrote: 100 percent agreed. Team Liquid has been awesome about the controversial nature of this event. They got out in front of it, and handled it like pros. As they almost always do. There were threads, and let’s be fair there’s less writers around to do previews in general theses days. Outside of Katowice TL doesn’t do a huge amount of hyping of tournaments, we’ll get a preview and some recaps of GSL/WCS/other internationals but nothing on the scale we used to get. And I’ve no particular issue with that, outside of recruiting new writers etc who have a ton of time/addiction to TL (hello me) there’s just less bandwidth. Especially considering a big chunk of people still on here know the tournaments and keep an eye on them. If publicly and numbers weren’t as they could be I’d be far more inclined to blame r/Starcraft then I would TL tbh. Or one of no doubt a million SC Discords It’s the stop for a wider demographic, folks like Frost Giant eschew that platform in favour of something like TL, but maybe the conversion rate isn’t all that hot | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16737 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1882 Posts
And, yeah, coca cola is poison. Oh well. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1882 Posts
On August 09 2023 22:23 WombaT wrote: As they almost always do. There were threads, and let’s be fair there’s less writers around to do previews in general theses days. Outside of Katowice TL doesn’t do a huge amount of hyping of tournaments, we’ll get a preview and some recaps of GSL/WCS/other internationals but nothing on the scale we used to get. And I’ve no particular issue with that, outside of recruiting new writers etc who have a ton of time/addiction to TL (hello me) there’s just less bandwidth. Especially considering a big chunk of people still on here know the tournaments and keep an eye on them. If publicly and numbers weren’t as they could be I’d be far more inclined to blame r/Starcraft then I would TL tbh. Or one of no doubt a million SC Discords It’s the stop for a wider demographic, folks like Frost Giant eschew that platform in favour of something like TL, but maybe the conversion rate isn’t all that hot Not having more coverage of this was a conscious choice. It has nothing to do with the number of writers. If you think I couldn't have cranked out a preview in 30 minutes you're wrong. But I stand by the decisions made by those above me and I honestly believe they are in the right for coming to this determination. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25551 Posts
On August 10 2023 01:11 Mizenhauer wrote: Not having more coverage of this was a conscious choice. It has nothing to do with the number of writers. If you think I couldn't have cranked out a preview in 30 minutes you're wrong. But I stand by the decisions made by those above me and I honestly believe they are in the right for coming to this determination. Can’t disagree with that, wasn’t aware but cheers for the clarification. Wasn’t saying you folks aren’t up to it believe me! Just there’s a bit less hyping of events compared to say, 5/6 years ago and I think some people are comparing the lack thereof to how other events were hyped in that period rather than now | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On August 10 2023 01:11 Mizenhauer wrote: Not having more coverage of this was a conscious choice. It has nothing to do with the number of writers. If you think I couldn't have cranked out a preview in 30 minutes you're wrong. But I stand by the decisions made by those above me and I honestly believe they are in the right for coming to this determination. I don't necessarily condemn the decision, but I think in times like this there's room for debates on the issue. What keeps the big SC2 tournaments going is ESL and whether we like it or not, ESL is highly dependent, even owned by Saudi Arabia. Should TL just stop covering all ESL events because of the ownership? Then SC2 loses even the last bit of coverage remaining. I agree that it's horrible that a country like this pushes as hard into the scene and I think something has to happen to prevent them from taking over the entire scene. But with SC2 and its dependancy on ESL, I think that's already too late. And I'm not sure an event taking place in Saudi Arabia is a much bigger deal than the entire tournament scene being organized and financed by a company that's owned by Saudi Arabia. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25551 Posts
On August 12 2023 05:15 Swisslink wrote: I don't necessarily condemn the decision, but I think in times like this there's room for debates on the issue. What keeps the big SC2 tournaments going is ESL and whether we like it or not, ESL is highly dependent, even owned by Saudi Arabia. Should TL just stop covering all ESL events because of the ownership? Then SC2 loses even the last bit of coverage remaining. I agree that it's horrible that a country like this pushes as hard into the scene and I think something has to happen to prevent them from taking over the entire scene. But with SC2 and its dependancy on ESL, I think that's already too late. And I'm not sure an event taking place in Saudi Arabia is a much bigger deal than the entire tournament scene being organized and financed by a company that's owned by Saudi Arabia. One is a matter of reputation laundering, the other is making money. ESL seems reasonably autonomous, to the degree it was actually news to me they got bought by the Saudi state. On the flip side, the Gulf States do have to transition their economies. And if having to diversify necessitates some of the social change that makes us Westerners feel uncomfortable, well that’s a win-win I guess. At present I’m just not seeing a huge amount of evidence that you’re getting much of the latter. In a way Scarlett not qualifying was a pity on 3 fronts. For her and her career, for her many fans but also as what would have been an interesting litmus test. The counter argument tends to be shrouded in rhetoric about past grievances, or Western imperialism and imposition of values elsewhere on the globe. Personally I think it’s a stupid argument because we’re talking about various cherished institutions in the West, or a more global sense (like the World Cup) getting bought out. The Saudis can run their own league as they see fit, but if I’m a Newcastle fan they’re buying a social institution with over a century of tradition that’s a community hub and I can’t do shit about it. | ||
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