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Average IQ of a StarCraft pro gamer

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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1899 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 07:49:56
July 28 2023 07:48 GMT
#1
according to bard ai.

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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1899 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 08:04:56
July 28 2023 08:04 GMT
#2
im really interested as to what those studies were referencing... studying the iq of a starcraft progamer seems like a wild thing to do and i feel like this would have been covered by some outlet.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7139 Posts
July 28 2023 09:22 GMT
#3
You can't do a study this specific. Way too low a sample size and also the definition of pro player is a bit wonky. The results almost have to be "above average"
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
July 28 2023 09:34 GMT
#4
And why would these starcraft progamers even bother to pass an IQ test? It's super long / tedious to do, often expensive, and basically useless.
Therefore, I highly doubt such a study actually exists AND is somewhat valid (without even taking into account the sample size)
WriterMaru
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
July 28 2023 09:52 GMT
#5
IQ as an average of cognitive abilities isn't particularly useful for something like Starcraft. It's much more useful to have specific talents that are conducive to the challenge. An IQ number is an average and therefore doesn't tell us anything about specific cognitive abilities, unless we break down and analyze the data from the test.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 28 2023 10:24 GMT
#6
some species of apes and cephalopods perform better in certain problem-solving tests than humans
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Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 10:41:23
July 28 2023 10:33 GMT
#7
AI often times is wrong. So, you might want to ask it about the sources. Or ask: "Are you sure?" Often times in my experience the answer by ChatGPT (I havent used bard,yet) then is: "I am terribly sorry, I was wrong."

I searched the web and didnt find the studies (which doesnt mean they dont exist). I found this, which is only loosely related:
A new study claims that playing real-time strategy video games can help people become faster thinkers.

EDIT:
Study: Indicator of Working Memory Capacity Predicts Video Game Proficiency
Spirral
Profile Joined February 2021
77 Posts
July 28 2023 10:46 GMT
#8
It's over 9000
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
July 28 2023 11:02 GMT
#9
I just asked bard the same question. It gave me a as answer the study called "Cognitive Abilities and Starcraft II Performance" 2014 by Grantham et al. It gave me the wrong link to the study 3 times. Then I asked if the study even existed. And bard replied: "You are right, the study doesn't exist."

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Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2393 Posts
July 28 2023 11:04 GMT
#10
50 at best
Progamer
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
July 28 2023 12:25 GMT
#11
On July 28 2023 19:24 Schelim wrote:
some species of apes and cephalopods perform better in certain problem-solving tests than humans


Which would explain Protoss over-representation in GM... Just kidding. :D
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
July 28 2023 12:57 GMT
#12
The real RTS talent is probably some kind of fast thinking ability where you can process things very fast. My guess is that that talent only vaguely correlates to IQ.

A fast thinking 18 year old with a IQ of 105 would probably beat a professor with 130+ IQ if they both have played the same amount of SC2.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26503 Posts
July 28 2023 22:02 GMT
#13
On July 28 2023 21:57 MockHamill wrote:
The real RTS talent is probably some kind of fast thinking ability where you can process things very fast. My guess is that that talent only vaguely correlates to IQ.

A fast thinking 18 year old with a IQ of 105 would probably beat a professor with 130+ IQ if they both have played the same amount of SC2.

Aye I’d imagine someone very mechanically gifted if you coached them rigidly would be a much better Starcraft player than someone extremely bright but uncoordinated, or who struggles with the drive needed to grind out such a game the requisite amount
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-28 22:14:39
July 28 2023 22:14 GMT
#14
Large language models don't have a concept of truth, they just tell you what they predict that you want to hear. They're disturbingly good at it, for what they are. Those studies don't exist.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33584 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-29 00:07:58
July 29 2023 00:07 GMT
#15
This post is absolutely terrible but I'll keep it open for a bit because this is kinda funny
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-29 00:44:16
July 29 2023 00:42 GMT
#16
On July 29 2023 07:14 Cyro wrote:
Large language models don't have a concept of truth, they just tell you what they predict that you want to hear. They're disturbingly good at it, for what they are. Those studies don't exist.


This thread shows a shocking lack of internet literacy haha. Would have thought people knew this.

Fun related thread from the legal field: https://www.reuters.com/legal/new-york-lawyers-sanctioned-using-fake-chatgpt-cases-legal-brief-2023-06-22/. Lawyer did the same exact thing asking chatgpt for legal research, and proceeded to use the (completely fake) cases chatgpt gave them. Got sanctioned.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
July 29 2023 00:49 GMT
#17
Yeah, people chat GPT and bard don't actually know what they are saying, they don't hold the truth. Think of them as advanced parrots. They might make sense on the surface, even be right, but not because they actually know what they're talking about.

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In any case I also think that not because you are good at Starcraft 2 you necessarily have a high IQ, but you have other skills that help you. Sc2 more than a strategy game is a mechanical game, and so is BW.

That being said, sOs Is probably one of the smartest players to ever grace this game. The things he did....yeah you need to be playing 4d chess, even if eventually his mechanics let him down in the switch from HotS to LotV.
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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
875 Posts
July 29 2023 08:04 GMT
#18
i have been moderating for less reasons....(with a closed thread)
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-29 08:30:29
July 29 2023 08:30 GMT
#19
What's the average IQ of a TL forum user?
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4244 Posts
July 29 2023 08:41 GMT
#20
On July 28 2023 19:46 Spirral wrote:
It's over 9000

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