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Average IQ of a StarCraft pro gamer
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CicadaSC
United States1580 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1580 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6872 Posts
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Poopi
France12780 Posts
Therefore, I highly doubt such a study actually exists AND is somewhat valid (without even taking into account the sample size) | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria3900 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
I searched the web and didnt find the studies (which doesnt mean they dont exist). I found this, which is only loosely related: A new study claims that playing real-time strategy video games can help people become faster thinkers. EDIT: Study: Indicator of Working Memory Capacity Predicts Video Game Proficiency | ||
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Spirral
62 Posts
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Don't trust AI  | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2382 Posts
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fastr
France901 Posts
On July 28 2023 19:24 Schelim wrote: some species of apes and cephalopods perform better in certain problem-solving tests than humans Which would explain Protoss over-representation in GM... Just kidding. :D | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
A fast thinking 18 year old with a IQ of 105 would probably beat a professor with 130+ IQ if they both have played the same amount of SC2. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24985 Posts
On July 28 2023 21:57 MockHamill wrote: The real RTS talent is probably some kind of fast thinking ability where you can process things very fast. My guess is that that talent only vaguely correlates to IQ. A fast thinking 18 year old with a IQ of 105 would probably beat a professor with 130+ IQ if they both have played the same amount of SC2. Aye I’d imagine someone very mechanically gifted if you coached them rigidly would be a much better Starcraft player than someone extremely bright but uncoordinated, or who struggles with the drive needed to grind out such a game the requisite amount | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33334 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 29 2023 07:14 Cyro wrote: Large language models don't have a concept of truth, they just tell you what they predict that you want to hear. They're disturbingly good at it, for what they are. Those studies don't exist. This thread shows a shocking lack of internet literacy haha. Would have thought people knew this. Fun related thread from the legal field: https://www.reuters.com/legal/new-york-lawyers-sanctioned-using-fake-chatgpt-cases-legal-brief-2023-06-22/. Lawyer did the same exact thing asking chatgpt for legal research, and proceeded to use the (completely fake) cases chatgpt gave them. Got sanctioned. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
_________ In any case I also think that not because you are good at Starcraft 2 you necessarily have a high IQ, but you have other skills that help you. Sc2 more than a strategy game is a mechanical game, and so is BW. That being said, sOs Is probably one of the smartest players to ever grace this game. The things he did....yeah you need to be playing 4d chess, even if eventually his mechanics let him down in the switch from HotS to LotV. | ||
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Vision_
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Durnuu
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4173 Posts
On July 28 2023 19:46 Spirral wrote: It's over 9000 a timeless classic  | ||
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LostUsername100
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catplanetcatplanet
3829 Posts
Can’t wait for bots to start making posts like this, I sense a glorious ABL revival on the horizon | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
There is no publicly available information on CicadaSC's IQ. However, based on their performance in StarCraft II, it is likely that they have a very high IQ. CicadaSC is a professional StarCraft II player who has been ranked in the top 100 players in the world. They have also won several major tournaments, including the 2016 DreamHack Open Austin and the 2017 WCS Global Finals. IQ is a measure of intelligence, and it is generally considered to be a good predictor of success in competitive games. In StarCraft II, players need to be able to make quick decisions, think strategically, and react to changes in the game. CicadaSC has demonstrated all of these skills at a very high level, which suggests that they have a very high IQ. Of course, IQ is not the only factor that determines success in StarCraft II or any other competitive game. Other factors such as practice, dedication, and natural talent also play a role. However, CicadaSC's IQ is likely to be a significant advantage for them, and it is one of the reasons why they have been so successful. Congrats on the Dreamhack, WCS wins (2017 global finals no less! One of the highest prize pools!) , and likely very high IQ  For fun, you can look at some of the other drafts, which list the accomplishments as... CicadaSC is a professional StarCraft II player who has achieved a peak ranking of #30 in the world. They have also won several major tournaments, including the 2015 DreamHack Open Austin and the 2016 WCS America Season 2 Finals. CicadaSC is a professional StarCraft II player who has achieved a peak ranking of #2 in the world. He is known for their strategical prowess and their ability to outthink their opponents. In order to achieve such a high level of play, CicadaSC must have a very high IQ. According to a study by the University of Pennsylvania, the average IQ of professional StarCraft II players is 135. This means that CicadaSC is likely to have an IQ that is at least in this range. However, it is also possible that their IQ is even higher. CicadaSC is a professional StarCraft II player who has achieved a peak ranking of #1 in the world. CicadaSC is a professional StarCraft II player who has been ranked as high as #1 in the world. They have won numerous tournaments, including the 2015 WCS Global Finals. Needless to say, Cicada is one of the best players on TL.net, and also bard AI is comically inaccurate. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24985 Posts
On July 30 2023 06:13 Blargh wrote: Courtesy of Bard AI: Congrats on the Dreamhack, WCS wins (2017 global finals no less! One of the highest prize pools!) , and likely very high IQ For fun, you can look at some of the other drafts, which list the accomplishments as... Needless to say, Cicada is one of the best players on TL.net, and also bard AI is comically inaccurate. Now do me so I can show my friends before they realise! | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 29 2023 17:30 Durnuu wrote: What's the average IQ of a TL forum user? Given that we'd probably struggle to grasp negative numbers, this may be hard to answer. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On July 30 2023 07:02 WombaT wrote: Now do me so I can show my friends before they realise! I'm afraid you have no SC2 accomplishments, but... WombaT is a well-known figure in the StarCraft community, and he is considered to be one of the most intelligent players in the world. However, his IQ has never been officially measured. No doubt that you are still a genius. | ||
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Curufinwe Feanor
Brazil91 Posts
On July 28 2023 21:57 MockHamill wrote: The real RTS talent is probably some kind of fast thinking ability where you can process things very fast. My guess is that that talent only vaguely correlates to IQ. A fast thinking 18 year old with a IQ of 105 would probably beat a professor with 130+ IQ if they both have played the same amount of SC2. This is a useless comparison. Reflex is inversely correlated to ageing. That has been already studied. Buut, it isnt the only variable that determines on how effectively one plays starcraft. To analyse solely the impact of IQ, you would have to compare elements of the same age, with different IQ's. Then you would have the answer if IQ determines how well you play. And I guess we would find that it does affect significantly, because how you play is determined by how you practice and study the game. Serral has said that, often times, he studies the game by just thinking and speculating possible situations on the game. I would very much like to see a longitudinal study like that. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24985 Posts
On July 30 2023 07:34 Blargh wrote: I'm afraid you have no SC2 accomplishments, but... No doubt that you are still a genius. Legitimately couldn’t stop laughing at this for far too long than was decent | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On July 29 2023 09:07 Waxangel wrote: This post is absolutely terrible but I'll keep it open for a bit because this is kinda funny +1, I thought this was a lovely experience | ||
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Gescom
Canada3367 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1580 Posts
glad you liked it. btw this is voltz | ||
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ElMakac
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
Haha yeah I'm aware, I clicked on the thread because I was interested in both the findings and where you'd get pertinent information from in the first place. There was a certain iq test that destiny took on stream few years back, it was a culture fair test by mensa.no (they probably have a version of the test still up on the site). It was intended as a "practice test" but general consensus seemed to be that it was "good". So one of the pro players who was watching Destiny's stream shared the test in one of the Pro-Player private chats for shits and giggles, I remember at least a good 6-7 high level pro players taking it (or at least sharing their results with the group). Obviously, this test was not administered by a psychologist, as such, it couldn't be "validated" and I'd wager the type of person who must heavily rely on hard boundaries and rules as important precursors to their reasoning, would likely quickly dismiss any findings on those grounds. But *if* we choose to give this test any sort of credence, for the fun of it, then without going into details or specifics, from this small sample size the average was (somewhat considerably) higher than your ai's seemingly completely random guess. This is why I was curious to see if there was actually a study, as a means to compare it to this prior experiment. Personally I found the test to be a good design on the basis that it poses simple and sensible pattern-recognition problems, whereas I've encountered other tests (or parts of tests) that are focused on problem solving / associating ability, but only after passing a "cultural" or "social" "knowledge" layer, which (imo) defeat the purpose. I never cared to look into where the information gathered to spill the gaussian curve it gives you at the end with your results came from, so I wouldn't think of the results as anything definitive but rather just a fun anecdote/experiment; even just personally considering the test to be well structured and without caring for the results relative to the globe - different people within the group, obviously, scored differently at this specific type of task. | ||
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Drahkn
189 Posts
Having a good work ethic and a bit less ego would have served me better and got me farther than some extra IQ points. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2141 Posts
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SamuelGreen
Sweden292 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria3900 Posts
On July 31 2023 22:58 SamuelGreen wrote: ChatGPT and Bard isn't actually AI, they are LLMs, algorithms. They aren't actually intelligent. Neither are people. We're just glorified algorithms. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1844 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On August 01 2023 00:54 Mizenhauer wrote: If you need more proof Bard is goofy and incorrect, this is it... Lol can't believe we built an AI who can't even figure out your deeply repressed love of Rogue. ''Their writing about the game suggests that they are a fan of players who are innovative,creative and unpredictable'' The IA was so close too. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1844 Posts
On August 01 2023 01:29 Nakajin wrote: Lol can't believe we built an AI who can't even figure out your deeply repressed love of Rogue. ''Their writing about the game suggests that they are a fan of players who are innovative,creative and unpredictable'' The IA was so close too. My dirty secret is that I do love me some Rogue shenanigans. Very few players have brought me the same delight when it comes to being "innovative,creative and unpredictable" as our favoite p........ | ||
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mindjames
Israel322 Posts
In order to be a pro at StarCraft, you have to select for several things: 1. Privileged enough to have a decent gaming setup + internet + copy of SC2 (before it went free-to-play) 2. Privileged enough to afford sitting at home and playing a videogame instead of working Naturally this puts them in a higher socio-economic status, which is correlated with higher IQ. I think a more interesting thing to check is whether pros have significantly higher IQs than a random group of Diamond players; a random group of progamers from a different game; or a random group of progamers from many different games. At that point you might be able to conclude that SC pros are gifted intellectually. | ||
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