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Team Liquid Map Contest #17

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Team Liquid Map Contest #17

Text byWaxangel
September 13th, 2022 16:02 GMT
TLMC17
The Team Liquid Map Contest is back again, continuing its search for the best maps in competitive StarCraft II. Once again, we're joined by our wonderful partners ESL, Shopify, and Blizzard, who are helping us award $5,000 in total prize money to the contest winners.

We begin now with the map submission phase, which will continue until October 10th.

Updates

  • There are no major updates, as TLMC #17 has largely the same rules and format as TLMC #16. There are no specific map themes, challenges, or areas of focus—map-makers are free to exercise their creativity as they see fit.
  • We would like to remind participants that due to the removal of the official pre-judging feedback phase that existed in previous contests, it is important for map-makers to conduct as much quality assurance on their maps as possible before submitting them to TLMC.
  • For clarification, maps submitted to the TL Community Mapping Competitions may be submitted to TLMC #17 as well.

Categories

Freestyle

  • Guidelines: Maps in this category explore new ideas for how StarCraft II can be played. This category is intended for unorthodox, outside-the-box maps.
  • Examples of features that might be included in this category:
    • Heavy or atypical usage of backdoor entrances with Mineral Walls/Reduced Mineral Patches.
    • Usage of Vespene Geysers as potential gates.
    • Inhibitor and Accelerator Zones.
    • Non-standard numbers of Mineral nodes or Vespene geysers at bases (Restriction: Values of each individual resource node cannot be adjusted)
    • Other strongly non-standard map designs.
  • Map dimension guidelines: The "playable" area of the map should be approximately between 14,000 and 18,000 (NOT the "camera" or "full" measurements in the editor). This is a recommendation, not a hard restriction.
  • Examples:
    • (Wiki)Stargazers
    • (Wiki)Dasan Station
    • (Wiki)Golden Wall
    • (Wiki)Turbo Cruise ‘84
    • (Wiki)Korhal Carnage Knockout

Rush

  • Guidelines: Map favors early aggression and offensive play.
  • Average rush distance (main ramp to main ramp): 33 seconds or less. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Playable map dimensions guidelines (not full map dimensions): Map playable area should be approximately between 14,000 and 16,000. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Examples:
    • (Wiki)Curious Minds (playable area: 132x124=16,368)
    • (Wiki)Kairos Junction (playable area: 120x140=16,800)
    • (Wiki)Paladino Terminal (playable area: 144x112=16128)
    • (Wiki)Interloper (playable area: 134x142=19028)
    • (Wiki)Defender’s Landing (playable area:150x130=19500)

Standard

  • Guidelines: Medium sized map. Players tend to have more flexibility on these maps to open with a wider variety of strategies and/or builds.
  • Average rush distance (main ramp to main ramp): 33-38 seconds. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Map dimension guidelines: The "playable" area of the map should be approximately between 15,000 and 17,000 (NOT the "camera" or "full" measurements in the editor). This is a recommendation, not a hard restriction.
  • Examples:
    • (Wiki)2000 Atmospheres
    • (Wiki)Blueshift (playable area: 136x136=18,496)
    • (Wiki)New Repugnancy (playable area: 152x120=18,240)
    • (Wiki)Cyber Forest (playable area: 128x148=18,944)
    • (Wiki)Catalyst (playable area: 136x144=19,584)
    • (Wiki)Overgrowth (playable area: 120x144=17,280)
    • (Wiki)Coda (playable area: 138x144=19,872)
    • (Wiki)Ephemeron (playable area is 132x148=19,536)
    • (Wiki)Triton (playable area: 144x144=20,736)
    • (Wiki)Simulacrum (playable area: 144x124=17,856)
    • (Wiki)Nightshade (playable area: 138x136=18,768)

Macro

  • Guidelines: A map that favors defensive play and encourages players to reach end game unit compositions.
  • Average rush distance (main ramp to main ramp): 38-43 seconds. (Note: Not a hard restriction. Could be more or less)
  • Map dimension guidelines: The "playable" area of the map should be approximately between 16,000 and 18,000 (NOT the "camera" or "full" measurements in the editor). This is a recommendation, not a hard restriction.
  • Examples:
    • (Wiki)Romanticide (playable area: 150x132=19,800)
    • (Wiki)Year Zero (playable area: 166x128=21,248)
    • (Wiki)Port Aleksander (playable area: 158x140=22,120)
    • (Wiki)King’s Cove LE (playable area: 153x148=22,644)
    • (Wiki)Odyssey (playable area: 152x156=23,712)
    • (Wiki)Blackpink (playable area: 148x140=20,720)
    • (Wiki)Ascension to Aiur (playable area: 160x132=21,120)
    • (Wiki)Acropolis (playable area: 140x136=19,040)
    • (Wiki)Disco Bloodbath (playable area: 148x132=19,536)
    • (Wiki)Eternal Empire (playable area: 140x140=19,600)

Features allowed per category - overview

This table is mostly extraneous as TLMC #16 and #17 have allowed all major features to be used in every map category, but we're still including it for tradition's sake.

Rush Standard Macro Freestyle
Mineral Wall
Rich Geyser
Inhibitor Zones
Acceleration Zones
3+ Starting Positions
5 Levels of Terrain Height


Restrictions

  • No custom textures or Force Fields.
  • No custom data on maps.
  • Maps must meet Melee mode requirements: Triggers and Data cannot be edited.
  • Yes, Renegade Missile Turrets are still banned.

Focus on Quality Assurance

The Team Liquid Map Contest has always welcomed a broad range of submissions within the tournament rules, regardless of the experience of the mapmaker. However, this leads to a large number of submissions that do not meet the standards for competitive StarCraft II, or are poorly optimized for in-game performance.

While we do not wish to tighten the standards for submitting a map, we request that map-makers conduct as much debugging and quality assurance as reasonably possible before submitting maps to TLMC. This will reduce strain on TLMC, ESL, and Blizzard staff, and assure that high quality, refined maps are added to the competitive map pool.

Factors to consider in QA include, but are not limited to:
  • Unit pathing
  • In-game performance (too many doodads is a frequent culprit)
  • Correct line-of-sight blocker implementation
  • Mineral/gas placement
  • Compatibility of natural expansion chokes with standard wall-offs
  • Unintended drop locations
  • Removal of misc. remnants from map creation/testing phase
Please use resources such as video documentation of TLMC map feedback, previous TLMC feedback threads, and community groups such as the “Mappers’ Circle” Discord server to learn more about the principles behind high-end map-making. In particular, community groups can be invaluable for map-making discussion and getting feedback on your maps.

Suggestions and Notes

  • Reminder: We are keeping the reduced "Average rush distance" and "Playable map dimensions" values that were implemented in TLMC #14, as we still feel there is plenty of potential for high-quality maps to be created on the 'small' side of the spectrum. Ultimately, the listed values are just suggestions, and it's up to each individual map-maker to decide what map size fits their vision best.
  • The average rush distance and playable map dimensions are guidelines and not strict restrictions. For example, large maps that play out aggressively or small maps that promote long games will still be considered using the same criteria as the other maps in the category.
  • Maps with insufficient edge-map distance have been an issue in past map pools. While recent map pools have mostly avoided this problem, we still recommend map-makers leave a modicum of air space between playable ground areas and map edges.
  • Overlord high ground scout positions over naturals have a large impact on gameplay and should be sized and placed carefully. We want to remind everyone that while these spots are still acceptable, they are not required, and we’d like to see a greater variety in how they’re placed.
  • When deciding to utilize a gold base, make sure there is some sort of risk associated with them. Otherwise, gold mineral bases with low risk tend to usually favor Zerg over the other races.
  • Be careful when adjusting the number of mineral nodes, vespene geysers, or rich vespene geysers at bases, especially in the main and natural, as it could impact balance between races and/or matchups.
  • When using air pathing blockers, avoid setting up zones that trap air units within them.
  • During the iteration phase of the competition (more on this below), small changes are often more desirable than large radical changes that dramatically alter the map’s direction.
  • We want to let map-makers know that submitted maps aren’t required to utilize a high number of 'non-standard' map features (acceleration zones, mineral walls, etc), even in the Freestyle category. Maps will be judged based on how well map features are used and how much they add to the map.

Post contest map iteration

We want to give the map-makers an opportunity to edit their maps after the contest period to make any adjustments if necessary. Hopefully this will give the map-makers more control and a chance to make improvements based on any feedback from ESL, Blizzard, pro players, or the community at large.

After the contest, map-makers will be contacted by ESL or TLMC staff in order to make improvements and get their maps into a ladder-ready state before the next ladder season. For instance, map-makers can make small adjustments to the maps such as changes to Reaper cliffs. Results from our performance tests will also be made available to map-makers who can use those results to improve performance.

Contest Phases

Note: The default timezone for TLMC is Pacific Standard Time (PST). While countdowns and specific times should be converted to local timezone on the TL.net website, PST will be used whenever we "just" use dates in posts. For example: the end date for submissions is October 10th. So the deadline is October 10th at 11:59 PM PST.

Submission Phase

September 13th to October 10th

Once again, we will not be holding a pre-judging feedback phase for this edition of TLMC. To ensure that maps are ladder-appropriate and have minimal performance issues, please conduct as much quality assurance as possible on your maps before submitting them to TLMC.

TLnet Judging Phase

October 11th to October 17th

Once the maps have been submitted they will be checked for quality and the remaining maps will be passed to the TLMC staff and selected professional players/community figures for judging. If you are a professional player and would be interested in helping out, PM us. Together, the judges will trim down all submissions to a final 16 that will be used in the next stages of the contest.

Note: All submissions are anonymized before being sent on to the judges. Only the main admins of the contest have access to who the submitters are.

Tournament & Public Voting Phase

October 25th to October 30th

Finally, the public will then vote on the final versions of these maps. Public voting determines the final rankings of the maps and how much prize money each map-maker wins. However, it does not directly determine which maps will be chosen to appear in the next season of ladder play. However, it is the community's chance to make its voice heard on which maps it wants to see on the ladder.

The tournament phase is extremely important both for map-makers and for voters. It allows everyone to see the maps being played by some of the best players in the world. We will work together with Wardi again for the tournament. Details will be announced separately at a later date.

Iteration Phase

October 31st to November 7th

The iteration phase has become a vital part for map-makers in TLMC. It gives them a chance to fix smaller issues that they may have been caught during the tournament phase. Note that smaller fixes are often better than huge changes.

As with previous TLMC's, we will make a public post introducing the sixteen finalist maps. Map-makers who make the top 16 will be given the opportunity to submit extra screenshots and link to YouTube or Twitch VODs of their map being played. We will also be collecting information about what they've changed and will mention the changes in the voting post. All this information will be sent out in a PM to the 16 finalists after the tournament phase.

TLMC Winners Announced

Shortly after the conclusion of the voting phase, we will present the final standings. After this, all sixteen maps will be considered for inclusion in the upcoming ladder seasons. After a rigorous QA session, the new maps will be officially announced ahead of the new ladder season.

Prize Distribution

Provided by Shopify

Thanks to Shopify and ESL, the prize pool maintains its increased prizing at a total of $5000.

First - $800
Second - $500
Third - $250
Fourth - $150
Fifth - $100


In keeping with the most recent TLMC contests, map-makers will also receive $200 in bonus prize money for each map that finishes in the top sixteen.

How To Submit Maps

Submission Rules

  • Each individual map MUST be assigned to one category. DO NOT submit the same map to multiple categories.
  • Map-makers will be limited to five(5) map submissions each, with a limit of two maps per category. For example, you may submit two maps in two categories, one map in a third category, and none in the remaining category.
  • For this contest, the judges will pick sixteen(16) finalist maps to move on to the next stage:
    • Three(3) Standard Maps
    • Three (3) Macro Maps
    • Three (3) Rush Maps
    • Three (3) Freestyle Maps
    • Four (4) "Judges' Picks"
  • The four Judges' Pick maps will be selected through a combination of overall map scoring and discretion of the judges' panel. Judges' Picks will be made regardless of category, and consist of the maps deemed most deserving of finishing in the top 16. This helps alleviate situations where certain categories are overloaded with high-quality maps.


Please PM your map file(s) to TL Map Contest with the below format by October 10th. Please title your PMs with the name of the map. You must submit one PM for each map (five maps = five PM submissions). Once your map has been received you will receive a PM back confirming that we have received it. If you have not received a reply within 24 hours, please contact us directly. We may also PM you back requesting missing information. Your entry will not be officially confirmed until any issues with the submission have been resolved.

If you want to submit a revised map for the contest before the end of submissions, please send us a reply in the original PM chain on TLnet. This to ensure there are no mixups in the submission process.

The submission PM must contain:
  • Map name
  • A download link to your map
  • A picture of your map. Please use the standard 90° top down overview—do not use any angled or tilted images. Please mark start locations and describe any starting location constraints. You may attach additional images to highlight map features if you wish, but the top-down view is most important.
  • The map category you wish to enter with this map
  • The size (dimensions) of the map
  • Number of bases
  • Main to Main distance (in-game seconds using a worker from town hall to town hall)
  • Top of main ramp to top of main ramp distance (in-game seconds using a worker)
  • Natural to Natural distance: (in-game seconds using a worker from town hall to town hall)
  • Any relevant analyzer images (optional)
  • A description of the map: This is a very useful resource for judges and TLMC admins who are examining dozens of maps, so please try to be both informative and concise. We recommend around 700 characters at most, although this isn't a hard limit.
    • Explain the general concept and style of the map
    • Describe any distinctive features
    • Point out any alternate resources, destructible rocks, or other elements that aren't obvious at first glance.
    • Check out some of the map descriptions provided by the TLMC #16 finalists. For example, here is Marras' short description of Stargazers:

      Stargazers offers the opportunity to either play standard games or make things a bit more spicy by opening up the path through the pocket natural.

      Features:
      • There are 12 blue bases in total plus one gold base at the 6 o'clock position
      • The pocket naturals have a standard amount of minerals and gas but the base is blocked by two mineral nodes with the value of 10 per each
      • The minerals blocking the ramp leading from the pocket natural have a value of 40 each making opening up that path a big commitment if done by the attacker
      • Line of sight blockers are situated in the middle area and the bottom of the map
      • The Xelnaga Tower at the 12 o'clock position can see a little bit of the outermost parts of the pocket natural mineral lines.

The map file must contain:
  • A short gameplay description: There is a field for this with a limit of 300 chars. You can include some flavor text here, or base it on the gameplay description from your map submission.


Entries not in this format may be excluded from consideration. Please do not send questions to the 'TL Map Contest' account; contact TLMC admin Waxangel instead.

Submit your map

FAQ

Q: Do I need to send my map file, or will an image or a link to my map on Battle.net be enough?
We want the map file for this contest, so a link to Battle.net is not sufficient. There will be a huge number of maps to choose from, so we will need to open many of them up in order to check for details that we can't find otherwise. To send your maps, upload them to a file hosting service such as Mediafire or Dropbox and include the link in your entry.

Q: How do I attach a map file or image to a PM?
The Team Liquid PM system does not support attachments. Instead, use an external image/file hoster such as Mediafire, Dropbox or Google drive for map files or Imgur for image files. Please send those links along with your submission.

Q: Can I enter a team map/FFA map into the contest?
Sorry, we will not be accepting non-1v1 maps in this contest. In the past, the Team Liquid Map Contest has occasionally allowed team play maps to be entered and evaluated separately from 1v1 maps, and some of these submissions did eventually reach the ladder map pool. However, we are focusing on only 1v1 maps for this contest. While we hope to hold a team map contest in the future, we cannot guarantee one at this time.

Q: Will the first place map automatically be included in tournaments?
No. A list of top maps will be considered by ESL for use in tournaments and ladder.

Q: Will any of the maps outside of the top 16 be included in tournaments?
While there is a very small chance for this to happen, it’s not to be seen as commonplace.

Q: How crazy can my maps be?
Maps need to be ladder appropriate. This means that features requiring specialist knowledge (rising lava, geysers used to block ramps, etc.) will not be accepted. If your map passes that test and complies with the guidelines above then your map is acceptable! Of course, if you are concerned that your map may not be suitable for ladder then please PM us and we will tell you whether or not it is appropriate.

Q: I’m interested in the contest, but I’m horrible at map making. What can I do to support the map-makers?
Post in their map threads and give them support, encouragement, and replays on their maps! Giving your favorite map-maker support will be much appreciated by the map-maker. Replays are especially valuable as it helps the map-maker align their design goals with the map with the reality of how people play their map.

If you have any unanswered questions please do not hesitate to ask them below or PM us who will be happy to answer them. Also, we recommend you join the “Mappers’ Circle” Discord server, where the majority of participants are likely to be active.

Best of luck in the competition.
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Kantuva
Profile Joined April 2010
Uruguay206 Posts
September 13 2022 16:48 GMT
#2
LETS GOOO


Hell it's about time 😎🥂
@Kantuva | Mapmaker | TLMC Volunteer Admin | Join us on: https://mapcave.net/discord
MayOnFire
Profile Joined March 2021
England47 Posts
September 13 2022 16:49 GMT
#3
I'm really happy that Team Liquid came back with the new TLMC. Despite my hiatus, I'll gladly participate If other people need help with their first maps or unfinished projects, just DM me, I'm happy to help and so are the others on the Mapper's Discord ^^ Let the race for creativity begin!
Ladder Map Pool : Curious Minds, Amphion, Cosmic Sapphire, Royal Blood, Dragon Scales, Hard Lead, Whispers of Gold + four times TLMC finalist, and other sc2 related content // https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/MayOnFire
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland426 Posts
September 13 2022 17:32 GMT
#4
Nice to see new TLMC already. Will have to get back to making maps now.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
September 14 2022 01:27 GMT
#5
800 is a pretty reasonable chunk, appreciate all of our map makers you guys are great.
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
September 14 2022 01:36 GMT
#6
I wish broodwar had this luxury. We can’t even get the most up to date maps in our ladder.
Maybe I should just start making sc2 maps instead..
✯ [ twitch.tv/MrMineraIs ] ✯ [ Check out my Maps: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/612442-official-maps-by-minerals ] ✯
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 14 2022 07:34 GMT
#7
Wishing each map maker the best of luck and looking forward to all the exciting maps allready
MaxPax
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
September 14 2022 10:58 GMT
#8
Really doubt I'll submit anything since I haven't touched the editor in a looooong time but we'll see. Best of luck to everybody who submits... either way I'll be excited to see the finalists!
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
Gluon
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands397 Posts
September 14 2022 12:57 GMT
#9
Exciting stuff, looking forward to the contestants!
Administrator
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 14 2022 14:13 GMT
#10
Ah, shit
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
September 15 2022 04:09 GMT
#11
I love seeing the maps, it's beautiful
ributo81
Profile Joined September 2022
6 Posts
September 15 2022 05:24 GMT
#12
I am always excited to see new maps!
depressed1
Profile Blog Joined May 2021
51 Posts
September 16 2022 06:33 GMT
#13
Good luck to everyone. Keep the memes alive!
depressed_marauder (yt: DepressingStarcraft) done and gone.
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
September 16 2022 09:50 GMT
#14
On September 14 2022 19:58 SidianTheBard wrote:
Really doubt I'll submit anything since I haven't touched the editor in a looooong time but we'll see. Best of luck to everybody who submits... either way I'll be excited to see the finalists!

I heard a rumour that Sidian, you know the bard, is submitting 16 maps under pseudonyms. They are aiming for the entire top 16 and claim that they haven't touched the editor to avoid suspicion. 😉
Random Platinum EU
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
September 16 2022 15:19 GMT
#15
On September 16 2022 18:50 Drfilip wrote:
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On September 14 2022 19:58 SidianTheBard wrote:
Really doubt I'll submit anything since I haven't touched the editor in a looooong time but we'll see. Best of luck to everybody who submits... either way I'll be excited to see the finalists!

I heard a rumour that Sidian, you know the bard, is submitting 16 maps under pseudonyms. They are aiming for the entire top 16 and claim that they haven't touched the editor to avoid suspicion. 😉


You mean all....



THESE maps!!! Muahahaha!!

Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
OmniSkeptic
Profile Joined January 2021
Canada75 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-10 23:25:06
September 18 2022 13:18 GMT
#16
These are the submitted versions of my maps. If you're looking for a full list of submissions, check out page 2 of this thread! Character has them all layed out for you in one post.

Standard
GlassWave (124x136) https://imgur.com/a/BLLzy6M https://imgur.com/a/HrryQiD
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[image loading]Chilly. Features an elongated main and natural. The triangle third is extremely open in the lategame but low HP destructible rocks limit attack paths in the early-mid game.


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Rush
NeoHumanity (126x132) https://imgur.com/a/vQlCUPJ
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Choosing defensive high ground means expanding towards your opponent. Rocks behind the rich gas base can be destroyed to open up your side of the map lategame. Conjoined destructible towers in the centre can block the early game paths but eventually the center becomes quite open. 2 Xel'naga towers.


Mapmaker from Canada. “Be the change you wish to see in the cushions”.
CharactR
Profile Joined January 2020
Canada108 Posts
September 18 2022 13:37 GMT
#17
My Submissions

Freestyle

Altitude (140x140)
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Backwoods Compound(124x160)
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Standard

Growth and Grit120x148
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Gaia Mists(116x140)
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Macro

Strange Paradise128x148
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Creator of ladder maps: Altitude LE, Undercurrent (2v2), Crimson Research Lab (2v2), Sandstorm (3v3), Lexiphanicism (4v4), Floodplain (4v4)
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-18 18:26:16
September 18 2022 15:09 GMT
#18
I should really try to make a map, with at the end, poor minerals fields or a longer period of harvesting (at least after the 4th base or 5th base). I m also pretty sure that rush maps are idiots while Zerg has the ability to cover half of the map in more or less 6 minutes.

I know it s forbidden, my toughts but is it actually possible to create map with less than 8 minerals fields per base ?
CharactR
Profile Joined January 2020
Canada108 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-18 23:12:33
September 18 2022 22:52 GMT
#19
On September 19 2022 00:09 Vision_ wrote:
I should really try to make a map, with at the end, poor minerals fields or a longer period of harvesting (at least after the 4th base or 5th base). I m also pretty sure that rush maps are idiots while Zerg has the ability to cover half of the map in more or less 6 minutes.

I know it s forbidden, my toughts but is it actually possible to create map with less than 8 minerals fields per base ?


Rush maps actually tend to be statistically unfavourable for zerg. While zerg can spread a higher % of the map faster because it's smaller this is actually countered by the fact it's much easier to push the zerg which means it is far easier and faster for your opponent to kill the creep. Also Terran can push zerg much easier and has lower reinforcement time.

The whole point of clearing creep is that it makes it easier (at least for terran) to push zerg in the direction they've cleared in the future.
Smaller map with less ground to cover between the bases compounds this effect

This is also why in TvZ on 4 player maps (which aren't a thing anymore really except for the occasional gsl appearance) Cross spawn is ideal for zerg whereas close spawns are better for terran.

Zerg also has to expand faster and requires more bases, so in a macro lategame being on a 6 base per side map is worse for zerg than an 8 base per side map because they may be unable to keep expanding at a certain point and they'll get overrun by a more efficient protoss or Terran army.

Mineral efficiency past the first couple to a few bases isn't huge concern because it's effects become more marginal as the game progresses and doesn't effect your build at all by the time you take your fifth. The direction the bases face matters more depending on what your goals are for the map at that point.

Also yes you can make maps with less than 8 patches per base.
Moondance has reduced bases, 2000 atmospheres had reduced bases, but if you're talking about the main or natural I'm not sure how keen the judges would be on that.

However, you totally should give making maps a crack and experiment. Be the change you want to see and all that jazz!
Creator of ladder maps: Altitude LE, Undercurrent (2v2), Crimson Research Lab (2v2), Sandstorm (3v3), Lexiphanicism (4v4), Floodplain (4v4)
CharactR
Profile Joined January 2020
Canada108 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-18 23:08:25
September 18 2022 23:07 GMT
#20
On September 19 2022 00:09 Vision_ wrote:
I should really try to make a map, with at the end, poor minerals fields or a longer period of harvesting (at least after the 4th base or 5th base). I m also pretty sure that rush maps are idiots while Zerg has the ability to cover half of the map in more or less 6 minutes.

I know it s forbidden, my thoughts but is it actually possible to create map with less than 8 minerals fields per base ?


However, I will say that rush maps (or any map with a short rush distance regardless of it's a rush map or not) are especially good for zerg rushes like early pools and Roach pressures/ravager cheeses because sometimes showing up a few seconds earlier can make all the difference, especially when it's some well executed cheddar
Creator of ladder maps: Altitude LE, Undercurrent (2v2), Crimson Research Lab (2v2), Sandstorm (3v3), Lexiphanicism (4v4), Floodplain (4v4)
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