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IIEclipseII
Profile Joined February 2016
Germany157 Posts
October 11 2022 09:16 GMT
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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
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Last Edited: 2022-11-09 11:36:48
November 09 2022 11:35 GMT
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On October 05 2022 22:17 KillerSmile wrote:
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On September 22 2022 00:21 Vision_ wrote:
I just understand that even air units are unable to see when there s a dead vision zone (smog, bushes,...). So technically it s possible to protect fields mineral from a side, unauthorizing vision with also some elements to forbid movement (harassement from behind minerals fields)

I presume this dead vision zone (smog, bushes, etc...) is consuming a lot of gpu ? do you experiment it ? this kind of map could be created respecting rules isn t it ?

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Yeah, but using this vision paint is a bit of a challenge, because it's hard to communicate to a player what exactly is going on.

I have a map uploaded as [KS] Omerta that I will be submitting under the freestyle category when my other maps are done that uses the blinding thicket paint in conjunction with tall line of sight doodads as way to say "while in the thicket you are concealed", but it's hard to say how popular this kind of novelty is with the playerbase or the judges, many of which are pro players. Air units usually can see everything, not with the vision paint in terrain. Using it anywhere near mineral lines seems like a huge no-go to me.

And then there are balance concerns. How does it work with vision from creep? What about scan? Is Protoss the only race that can't negate the thicket on it's own? None of that is clear from the start of the game.

Basically it's hard to find a good use for it that normal bushes don't already solve, a risk for mapmakers with a limited number of submissions to spend and hard to properly execute and not create incongruencies.

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Here's a quick early overview of the map. All lowground is unbuildable and covered in visionblocking paint. The watchtower in the middle can negate the effect. You may also want to check out a map called Fern Gully by Superouman, which uses them more conservatively and is also not as grim and dark.






Yes you re right, i just checked. It isn t possible to constraint Terran scan sight of view to the vision paint.... This could have been awesome because all these bases on every maps are generally oriented to the center which don t allow map makers of new patterns creation.

There s also a second problem which definetly close the subject unless Activision give us some interest (...), because of the air path which isn t working very well with the pathing block doodads, indeed, units knock on the block then adjust their pathfinding... I don t know why this is just a poor design, maybe because it would have slow the game engine. Too bad
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