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DHM Valencia: Power Rank

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July 1st, 2022 02:37 GMT

DreamHack StarCraft II Masters: Valencia
Power Rank

by Poopi

The TL.net Power Rank makes a return for the first DreamHack event of the 2022/23 season!

If previous installments were decided by a committee of writers, this Power Rank goes back to TL.net's Brood War roots of being inked by one all-powerful arbiter of ability. Whether you agree or disagree, make sure to leave your own power rank of the top players in the comments!

DreamHack StarCraft II Masters 2022: Valencia

#10 - DongRaeGu

Solar was DongRaeGu's close rival for the #10 spot, but DRG had a small advantage in being seeded into a higher group stage. Also, he managed to beat both GuMiho and Rogue to qualify for the RO10 in the GSL, whereas Solar ended up 3rd in his group.

Other than that, I don't really see any player who should realistically be ranked above DRG. ByuN has been a bit disappointing as of late, whereas the top foreigners are already comfortably ranked above DRG.

#9 - Creator

Creator was poor in his first day of Code S round-of-10 matches, losing to both RagnaroK and Bunny. That result amplifies worries that he might be a flash in the pan finalist, doomed to fall back to his previous station in SC2. However, I still have faith in him, and I'll gamble on him being able to shed some of the pressure and deliver great results like he did in Code S Season 1.

Putting Creator ahead of DRG feels like a bit of a stretch given his recent performances, but he gets the #9 spot since we're not that that far removed from the Code S run that showed his potential.

#8: RagnaroK

RagnaroK actually has better results compared to some higher ranked players who are relying on their reputations and past results. So far, he has been excellent in Code S. He topped his RO20 group by beating both Trap and Cure, and went on to win his first two RO10 matches against Creator and Cure. With apologies to Solar, RagnaroK seems to be clearly the best Zerg here who hasn't already won a world championship tier event.

#7 - Bunny

Bunny had a superb run at IEM Katowice 2022, finishing top 8 after winning his RO24 group. He lost to Zest in the RO24, but ripped off a series of wins against HeroMarine, Trap, Astrea, and Lambo to take first place in his group. While he ended up losing 1-3 against Rogue in the playoffs, it was certainly a high point in his career.

Bunny had a chance to carry that momentum over into Code S Season 1, but a freak wrist injury saw him go out in the RO20. However, he's been playing very well after recovering from that injury, and took #1 in his RO20 group in Code S season 2 with wins over ByuN and soO. Combined with some great results in the WTL, Bunny looks like a force to be reckoned with even if he's coming from the open bracket.

#6 - HeroMarine

This one is quite obvious. Big Gabe's run in Katowice was phenomenal, as he almost reached the finals with a narrow 2-3 loss against Reynor in the semis. If that was not enough, he kept that momentum going in the first season of DHM: Europe, scoring a shocking upset over Serral in playoff rounds.

Also, HeroMarine is still a relatively dominant force in the EPT Cups, showing off the consistency that's been a key strength for nearly a decade now. He's very close to breaking the top five, but I have to put him just outside since he narrowly lost his DHM: Europe match to Clem in the losers bracket.

#5 - herO

herO as fifth is both too low and too high. Going by his performances in online tournaments and most recent outing in the GSL RO10, you might even say he's the best Korean player not named Maru.

His recent 2-0 victory against Rogue in the Code S RO20 seemed like it had almost meta-shifting potential, and in this week's Code S RO10 matches, he was one of the few players who managed to enhance his reputation in a losing effort by going toe-to-toe with Maru in a 1-2 loss. In the ESL Open Cups, he recently won a ridiculous four Korean cups in a row.

However, you might have been hyped for herO four months ago as well, only to see him disappoint at both IEM Katowice and Code S Season 1. So far, herO hasn't proven that he can bring championship-tier gameplay to a weekend tournament outside of Korea, whereas the players above him have given us a lot more reasons to have faith in them. The sky seems to be the limit for herO, but I am still cautious since his major tournament results don’t quite match his gameplay and potential yet.

#4 - Dark

Dark's Code S Season 1 run was impressive as he reached the semifinals with only a group stage loss to herO. Even though he lost to eventual champion Rogue, it was definitely a solid result. It fell in line with some of the 'unlucky' losses Dark has been suffering lately: if he had defeated Rogue in the GSL, then he would have been a favorite to beat Creator and win the championship. Also, if he hadn't narrowly lost 2-3 to Reynor at IEM Katowice, then he would have had a good shot to beat HeroMarine and reach the finals. Remember, when Dark actually did beat his nemesis Rogue back in 2021's Code S Season 2, he went all the way to win the finals.

Of course, what-if's are just what-if's, and we can't dwell on them too much. Lately, Dark's performances haven't really been up to par. He lost versus Zoun in the first group stage of Code S Season 2, advancing in second place despite being the clear favorite on paper. Dark's WTL performances have also been rather disappointing as he only has a 4W-4L record (1-1 vs Dream, 2-0 vs Sakya, 0-2 vs Bunny, and 1-1 vs SpeCial).

Dark did look more like himself in the Code S RO10 where he got the job done against Bunny and Cure, but he just hasn't done quite enough lately to be ranked above the absolute beasts in this PR. However, Dark being a global champion, two-time GSL winner, and one of the most consistently great players in SC2 forces me to give him the benefit of the doubt and rank him above players who arguably have more momentum right now.

#3 - Clem

It's pretty easy to place Clem in the top 3 after his championship run in DHM: Europe. Europe as a region has never been more competitive, and it's inching closer and closer to Korea (some might say it's even surpassed Korea at the top). Compared to some of the Korean players who aren't exactly dominating the GSL (more on Maru in a second), I don’t see any reason to rank him lower.

Once I got to the top 3, the players were very hard to order—I can’t imagine how difficult it would have been if Serral participated from the open bracket or if Rogue was able to come.

It seems harsh to rate Clem lower than Reynor after he beat him to win the regional championship. It also seems a bit unfair to place him lower than Maru when the Onsyde Gaming Terran was so disappointing in Code S Season 1.

It's a matter of match-ups, relative strengths, and historical success. Clem and Reynor are close to 50-50 against each other, but Reynor is the favorite against almost everyone else while Clem has a handful of difficult match-ups. In particular, I think Reynor has a better shot of beating Maru than Clem.

And despite Maru's disappointing Code S Season 1, he's been dominant so far in Season 2. If we believe that Maru is close to being full strength, then he has a better shot of winning it all than Clem. Despite winning several European regionals, Clem has struggled to convert those wins into international success. The peak version of Maru has clearly been a better international player than Clem, and that's saying something considering that Maru typically underperforms outside the GSL.

#2 - Maru

As mentioned in the Clem section, Maru has been looking fantastic in his recent GSL matches, delivering high level TvP series against both Creator and herO, and a proper late game domination versus Solar. His TvT still looks untouchable, which makes him a player with no clear weaknesses and a few extreme strengths.

However, it is always hard to predict how well Maru will do in international offline tournaments, especially the farther you go from South Korea. His IEM Katowice run would have been pretty great for any other player, as he made it out of the group of death and only lost to eventual champion Serral in the quarterfinals. However, top eight feels low for a player of Maru's reputation. He's at a level where he's expected to win it all in major internationals, and he's fallen short compared to his elite peers.

If we could confirm beforehand that Maru would play at DH:Valencia at the same level he did in GSL Season 2, I would put him rank 1 immediately. Reynor eventually lost to Clem in DH:Europe, and Maru has demonstrated even better gameplay than Clem in my opinion.

I see Maru as the favorite against virtually everyone but Reynor, and maybe herO and Dark, but his TvT is so flawless that even “international” Maru should be the main championship contender alongside the Italian Zerg.

#1 - Reynor

This placement was probably expected by most fans, but I still have to remind everyone why Reynor is arguably the strongest player coming into Valencia. His performance at Katowice was stellar, utterly dominating the group of death with a 5-0 match score, only losing maps to Zoun and Maru. He took 3-2 playoff victories against both Dark and HeroMarine, proving clutch when his back was against the wall. He looked monstrous versus Serral in the first half of the finals, and only lost after Serral made the most spectacular comeback of his career.

Reynor's DHM:EU run was slow to start with mixed results (5-2 losing against SoulSpirit and Elazer in ZvZ), but once the playoffs started he unleashed his full potential: 3-0 vs ShoWTimE, 3-1 vs Serral and 3-0 vs Clem in the upper bracket. The French Terran ultimately won the series 4-3 with a one map disadvantage coming from the loser’s bracket, but it was a very close call. Ultimately, Reynor did have the season map advantage against Clem, 5-4.

If that was not enough to convince you, Reynor is also dominating in the margins as well. He turned KaiZi Gaming's fortunes around in the WTL, racking up a league-best 16-2 record. That's the kind of dominance Maru showed when he led Team NV to championships.

Since Reynor's closest competitor seems to be Maru, I think the final deciding factor is the fact that the tournament takes place in Europe and not in South Korea. As such, I see Reynor as the favorite to win it all at Valencia.



Writer: Poopi
Editor: Wax
Photos: DreamHack
Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia


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buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
July 01 2022 02:43 GMT
#2
I think Dark should be a bit higher. His level of play in the recent GSL matches has been absolutely top-notch and flawless, even higher than that of Reynor. If we're ranking by recent form alone, I would put Dark and Maru joint top, with Reynor after that. However, you're right that Maru hasn't been performing to his standard level of play internationally offline, so Maru being second is just about right.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
July 01 2022 02:51 GMT
#3
herO and Power Ranks. I missed this.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
July 01 2022 02:54 GMT
#4
We all know why Reynor has been practicing Protoss lately in tournament, so that he can play them against Maru and doesnt have to worry about his lategame Ghost-Turtle BS style, lol.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 01 2022 03:41 GMT
#5
I think Reynor has this in the bag
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warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
July 01 2022 03:50 GMT
#6
Where are Scarlett and Neeb on this list?
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden694 Posts
July 01 2022 04:02 GMT
#7
On July 01 2022 12:50 warnull wrote:
Where are Scarlett and Neeb on this list?


They arent
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
July 01 2022 04:05 GMT
#8
On July 01 2022 13:02 Kreuger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 12:50 warnull wrote:
Where are Scarlett and Neeb on this list?


They arent

I would put Neeb ahead of DRG and Creator to be honest.
tilhorizon
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany191 Posts
July 01 2022 04:28 GMT
#9
this powerrank putting clem globaly on 3 is nothing but a bad joke

just because clem performs so good vs eu top 2 serral and reynor doesnt mean he is gobaly that good
his history vs top korea players is a disaster !
even heromarine should be rated higher if you compare important globaly results , remember katovice
clem is just a eu powerhouse but serral and reynor are global world champions
you have to judge players by there performance in the biggest tournaments ,
serral and reynor are gods, clem and heromarine are just the best of the rest but all this comentator talk about the big 3 is just stupid trash talk, there are no big "eu" 3 there is just serral and reynor
global performance and titles thats what counts for the status
as long as clem doesnt perform better vs koreans in the big tournaments he is not even better than heromarine and definetly not on the level of serral and reynor

User was warned for this post.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
July 01 2022 06:37 GMT
#10
Not sure Reynor practiced that much Zerg lately given his offrace antics. But yeah based on recent results #1 makes sense
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watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
July 01 2022 07:41 GMT
#11
I don't get over the fact that Serial didn't even want to try to qualify through open bracket, makes me sad not seeing him play
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hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
163 Posts
July 01 2022 07:43 GMT
#12
Yayyy a power rank !!!

i would have maybe rank herO slightly higher but it seems quite accurate to me ! (when you're not blinded by the hate towards a particular player >_>)
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
July 01 2022 08:58 GMT
#13
I would have put Dark above Clem maybe even Maru but otherwise everything seems fine to me.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
July 01 2022 09:53 GMT
#14
On July 01 2022 17:58 stilt wrote:
I would have put Dark above Clem maybe even Maru but otherwise everything seems fine to me.

Would have hardly been justifiable to be honest. Dark was looking pretty meh until just this Tuesday. He barely even got through the first round of GSL.
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Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
July 01 2022 10:02 GMT
#15
Having another person giving you a ranking makes it way easier to discuss the players. I like power rankings.

Is Bunny really back to his previous level of beating his peers with issues punching up?

RagnaroK has shown both great aggression and good late game. His decision making in mid and late game is better than that of a lot of other Zergs.

Dark has shown some of the greatest skill in a while. I think he should be moved up the rankings.

Maru is great. That is his norm. But is he really the top Korean? He did beat herO, but that wasn't a beat down. That was just a victory. I'd say Dark has risen above Maru and that herO is challenging him from below.

I have not watched the Europeans play in a while. Work has tied me up without internet. Being home sick made it possible to catch up on GSL at least.


Sidenote:
I am confused about the warning that tilhorizon got. Is the bad tone the reason? The contents are a bit hyperbolic but it is all clearly opinion without any personal attacks. tilhorizon is attacking a common argument, not any one poster.
The tone is a bit aggressive, but not overly excessive. That shouldn't be enough of a reason unless tilhorizon has established a pattern and this post got warned as a cumulative result.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6870 Posts
July 01 2022 10:06 GMT
#16
On July 01 2022 16:41 watchlulu wrote:
I don't get over the fact that Serial didn't even want to try to qualify through open bracket, makes me sad not seeing him play


He said somewhere that he was doing a break but I thought his break ended with NationWars. Not sure whats the reasoning behind his absence.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
July 01 2022 10:07 GMT
#17
On July 01 2022 19:06 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 16:41 watchlulu wrote:
I don't get over the fact that Serial didn't even want to try to qualify through open bracket, makes me sad not seeing him play


He said somewhere that he was doing a break but I thought his break ended with NationWars. Not sure whats the reasoning behind his absence.

"Personal reasons" - none of our business then, gotta accept that.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
July 01 2022 10:50 GMT
#18
While Dark certainly look good, dont forget he won both game against Bunny by cheesing him (game 1) and then denying his cheese (game 2). Then the match against Cure, whose TvZ are his weakest matchup, Dark also deny another all-in Hellbat into overwhelming macro game 1, game 2 was the most impressive one from Dark so far with such amazing counter lingbane. So while its great, I still have doubt on Dark PvZ, especially against the herO style.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
July 01 2022 11:00 GMT
#19
Mainly agree with the ranking, I'd probably put Dark #2 though.Neeb could make a deep run that surprises a lot of people, and Lambo/Elazer always have a decent chance at putting in work (especially with Serral/Rogue gone.) Don't think they belong in the top 10 but those three (and Solar) would be honorable mentions for me.
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tilhorizon
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany191 Posts
July 01 2022 11:18 GMT
#20



Sidenote:
I am confused about the warning that tilhorizon got. .


i am confused as well , is it because i have a different opinion than the writer ? or was any word i sayd on some kind of a
ban list i dont know
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 12:05:15
July 01 2022 12:04 GMT
#21
On July 01 2022 19:02 Drfilip wrote:


Sidenote:
I am confused about the warning that tilhorizon got. Is the bad tone the reason? The contents are a bit hyperbolic but it is all clearly opinion without any personal attacks. tilhorizon is attacking a common argument, not any one poster.
The tone is a bit aggressive, but not overly excessive. That shouldn't be enough of a reason unless tilhorizon has established a pattern and this post got warned as a cumulative result.

I'm assuming he got warned because of this:
but all this comentator talk about the big 3 is just stupid trash talk

Can be seen as personal attack on the casters
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Iskhiaro
Profile Joined March 2011
Great Britain11 Posts
July 01 2022 12:06 GMT
#22
I would put dark and hero ahead of clem, I think they stand a better chance of winning the tournament right now. Otherwise, this is pretty much spot on.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 01 2022 12:29 GMT
#23
Since we don't have a thread yet, I'd just like to point out that NA has a 100% win rate vs EU in group stage 1. That some sweet sweet revenge from all those years of the fly in fly out European
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
July 01 2022 12:31 GMT
#24
On July 01 2022 21:29 Nakajin wrote:
Since we don't have a thread yet, I'd just like to point out that NA has a 100% win rate vs EU in group stage 1. That some sweet sweet revenge from all those years of the fly in fly out European

Group stage 1 is so formidable that I don't even know all the players.
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gleed
Profile Joined June 2022
9 Posts
July 01 2022 12:49 GMT
#25
I haven't been following the scene at all the past decade. Are non-koreans on an even footing with koreans now?|
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6870 Posts
July 01 2022 13:12 GMT
#26
On July 01 2022 21:49 gleed wrote:
I haven't been following the scene at all the past decade. Are non-koreans on an even footing with koreans now?|


Depends on who you ask
Most would probably say that the top foreigners are even with top koreans. Some would say no and some others would even say the GOAT is non Korean
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 13:16:38
July 01 2022 13:15 GMT
#27
On July 01 2022 21:49 gleed wrote:
I haven't been following the scene at all the past decade. Are non-koreans on an even footing with koreans now?|

pretty much due to all the retirements, military duty and also there being zero new blood in the korean scene.
The korean scene probably still has way more depth but this depth is also shrinking rapidly
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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
July 01 2022 13:24 GMT
#28
I wish something good to Clem, because of his global performance and the fact he never won an offline tourney.

As soon as possible,
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 14:07:36
July 01 2022 14:07 GMT
#29
On July 01 2022 20:18 tilhorizon wrote:
Show nested quote +



Sidenote:
I am confused about the warning that tilhorizon got. .


i am confused as well , is it because i have a different opinion than the writer ? or was any word i sayd on some kind of a
ban list i dont know


Any “negative” post about terrans gets a very short leash here
on TL

Meanwhile shitpost on Zergs and protoss usually gets no warnings

MarinoSC constant shitpost about Reynor vs Maru 2 years about was a perfect example. In summary he was talking so much trash and shitted reynor when Maru was up 2-0. Then he went on suicide watch once reynor won 3-2
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6870 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 14:23:10
July 01 2022 14:18 GMT
#30
On July 01 2022 23:07 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 20:18 tilhorizon wrote:



Sidenote:
I am confused about the warning that tilhorizon got. .


i am confused as well , is it because i have a different opinion than the writer ? or was any word i sayd on some kind of a
ban list i dont know


Any “negative” post about terrans gets a very short leash here
on TL


I just re-read the initial warned post and there was absolutely no indication of that.

Mariano is a special case of Korean Elitist + Show Spoiler +
who actually prefers a cheater/matchfixer to foreign players according to his top11 list
and everyone knows it. Take the opinions with a grain of salt
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 01 2022 14:18 GMT
#31
My rank would be:
Reynor, Maru, Dark, herO, Clem, Heromarine, Bunny, Neeb, Ragnarok, Creator
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
tilhorizon
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany191 Posts
July 01 2022 16:00 GMT
#32
On July 01 2022 23:18 MarianoSC2 wrote:
My rank would be:
Reynor, Maru, Dark, herO, Clem, Heromarine, Bunny, Neeb, Ragnarok, Creator


some may not agree but this is a list you could work with its reasonable and maybe just slightly off

but putting clem on 3 , is , how do i put it , i try not to get warned again , so i try to use only nice words
by all respect a professionell powerrank should reflect what is most likely true, what will be the most likely outcome what is most logical backed by data and past results ,not personal preferences

clem on 3 when you check his offline records when you check how he is doing vs koreans in similar tournaments and compare that to dark
how on lovely earth could you put him in front of dark
the bookmakers dont want to lose money dark is way ahead
alligulac not perfect but a indicator agrees also on a possible h2h outcome
history agrees

if you make a list with all the players in valencia ,if all of them have to face clem and dark
the most likely outcome will be that dark wins more games than clem
it has nothing to do with disrespect just beeing objectiv

i wonder why sc2 casters ore powerrank makers almost never check with bookmakers
and ignore past results statistics and propable outcome
imagine a football game when you ask the reporter who will be favorite who will most likely win
normaly thay say what the bookmakers say like in almost any other sport , but not in sc2

CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1577 Posts
July 01 2022 16:37 GMT
#33
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 20:58:33
July 01 2022 16:50 GMT
#34
On July 02 2022 01:37 CicadaSC wrote:
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.

If by "win the tournament" you mean "get eliminated in the group stages," sure. I mean seriously, have you seen his performance in any international tournament of late? He's not even the NA player with the best chance.

Edit: okay, my Neeb hate was misplaced. But I still don't think he's anywhere near being a title contender.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 17:47:49
July 01 2022 17:45 GMT
#35
On July 02 2022 01:00 tilhorizon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 23:18 MarianoSC2 wrote:
My rank would be:
Reynor, Maru, Dark, herO, Clem, Heromarine, Bunny, Neeb, Ragnarok, Creator


some may not agree but this is a list you could work with its reasonable and maybe just slightly off

but putting clem on 3 , is , how do i put it , i try not to get warned again , so i try to use only nice words
by all respect a professionell powerrank should reflect what is most likely true, what will be the most likely outcome what is most logical backed by data and past results ,not personal preferences

clem on 3 when you check his offline records when you check how he is doing vs koreans in similar tournaments and compare that to dark
how on lovely earth could you put him in front of dark
the bookmakers dont want to lose money dark is way ahead
alligulac not perfect but a indicator agrees also on a possible h2h outcome
history agrees

if you make a list with all the players in valencia ,if all of them have to face clem and dark
the most likely outcome will be that dark wins more games than clem
it has nothing to do with disrespect just beeing objectiv

i wonder why sc2 casters ore powerrank makers almost never check with bookmakers
and ignore past results statistics and propable outcome
imagine a football game when you ask the reporter who will be favorite who will most likely win
normaly thay say what the bookmakers say like in almost any other sport , but not in sc2


I mean I agree with Dark > Clem but it's definitely not as clear as you seem to think, I think both opinions are legitimate.
Clem doesn't have the best track record with international tournaments but we know his skill is right up there and does reputation / track record in a particular tournament circuit really hold a higher value than current skill level? It's definitely arguable.

Btw herO also hasn't shown the track record of being able to perform in premier tournaments since his return
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Borsti
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany79 Posts
July 01 2022 18:08 GMT
#36
I was brought here by twitter.

You got it wrong.

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StaNi
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine54 Posts
July 01 2022 19:37 GMT
#37
Can someone tell me where is Serral? What happened to him?
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States872 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 21:13:36
July 01 2022 21:12 GMT
#38
On July 02 2022 04:37 StaNi wrote:
Can someone tell me where is Serral? What happened to him?


He didn't get an automatic invite because he got knocked out of a tournament too early, then he chose not to participate via open qualifiers, citing "personal reasons". He did say he still plans on participating in the rest of the major tournaments throughout the year.
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uselless
Profile Joined April 2021
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 21:46:27
July 01 2022 21:45 GMT
#39
A bit of hindsight bias on mine after day 1, but still think I would've had something close to this

10 ByuN
9 DRG
8 ShoWTimE
7 Solar
6 HM
5 Bunny
4 Clem
3 herO
2 Maru
1 Reynor

I so so wanted to put Maru 1, but I can't in good faith ;-;
I'm disappointed in you Mr. Poopi for suggesting Clem and Maru are even close >

edit: forgot Dark, prob would be above herO
maru :D
mark_lenders
Profile Joined July 2019
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 23:31:36
July 01 2022 23:30 GMT
#40
After day 1 i would never put Solar and Byun in the top 10. Ragnarok and Neeb deserve to be there
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24982 Posts
July 02 2022 01:36 GMT
#41
Dark looked god tier in GSL Ro10, I’d promote him based on that

I’ve no real quibbles though, there’s a lot of question marks with various players. Can herO get his first big result since military? Can Clem transfer his EU results to the international sphere? Etc etc
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 02 2022 02:58 GMT
#42
If Reynor becomes a top 10 player with his P can we put him twice on future lists (One Z one P)?
uselless
Profile Joined April 2021
92 Posts
July 02 2022 03:53 GMT
#43
On July 02 2022 08:30 mark_lenders wrote:
After day 1 i would never put Solar and Byun in the top 10. Ragnarok and Neeb deserve to be there

I tried to maintain impartiality to day 1 results, but I'd agree about Ragnarok and Neeb. I think DRG manages to keep his spot even though he lost to Ragnarok, because his wins against ShoWTimE should boot the protoss from the top 10.
maru :D
warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
July 02 2022 06:04 GMT
#44
I think this power ranking could have been better if it extended to the top 16 or 24 players.

People have strong opinions about their favorite players or rivals, and love to argue about whether player X is top Y. The longer the list, the more ink spilled over it. Win-win-win for everyone.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1577 Posts
July 03 2022 01:06 GMT
#45
On July 02 2022 01:50 QOGQOG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2022 01:37 CicadaSC wrote:
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.

If by "win the tournament" you mean "get eliminated in the group stages," sure. I mean seriously, have you seen his performance in any international tournament of late? He's not even the NA player with the best chance.

Edit: okay, my Neeb hate was misplaced. But I still don't think he's anywhere near being a title contender.


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Starcloud
Profile Joined September 2018
137 Posts
July 03 2022 01:44 GMT
#46
The only right and final list is;

10. Neeb
9. Bunny
8. Ragnarok
7. Clem
6. HeroMarine
5. hero
4. Dark
3. Maru
2. Serral
1. Raynor

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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 03 2022 02:02 GMT
#47
On July 03 2022 10:44 Starcloud wrote:
The only right and final list is;

10. Neeb
9. Bunny
8. Ragnarok
7. Clem
6. HeroMarine
5. hero
4. Dark
3. Maru
2. Serral
1. Raynor


Your power list contains a player who didn't participate in the tournament, so I don't know about "right and final". Of course, I suppose this may just be your own personal list of top 10 players that excludes Rogue... shrug
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
July 03 2022 02:03 GMT
#48
On July 03 2022 10:06 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2022 01:50 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 02 2022 01:37 CicadaSC wrote:
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.

If by "win the tournament" you mean "get eliminated in the group stages," sure. I mean seriously, have you seen his performance in any international tournament of late? He's not even the NA player with the best chance.

Edit: okay, my Neeb hate was misplaced. But I still don't think he's anywhere near being a title contender.


How about now?

Yes, let's use the current tournament to judge where to put neeb on the pretournament list. Upsets happen. Neeb hasn't performed recently.
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-03 02:07:12
July 03 2022 02:06 GMT
#49
Double post sorry
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1577 Posts
July 03 2022 06:23 GMT
#50
On July 03 2022 11:03 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2022 10:06 CicadaSC wrote:
On July 02 2022 01:50 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 02 2022 01:37 CicadaSC wrote:
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.

If by "win the tournament" you mean "get eliminated in the group stages," sure. I mean seriously, have you seen his performance in any international tournament of late? He's not even the NA player with the best chance.

Edit: okay, my Neeb hate was misplaced. But I still don't think he's anywhere near being a title contender.


How about now?

Yes, let's use the current tournament to judge where to put neeb on the pretournament list. Upsets happen. Neeb hasn't performed recently.

i said this before the current tournament?
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
July 03 2022 11:45 GMT
#51
On July 03 2022 15:23 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2022 11:03 Cricketer12 wrote:
On July 03 2022 10:06 CicadaSC wrote:
On July 02 2022 01:50 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 02 2022 01:37 CicadaSC wrote:
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.

If by "win the tournament" you mean "get eliminated in the group stages," sure. I mean seriously, have you seen his performance in any international tournament of late? He's not even the NA player with the best chance.

Edit: okay, my Neeb hate was misplaced. But I still don't think he's anywhere near being a title contender.


How about now?

Yes, let's use the current tournament to judge where to put neeb on the pretournament list. Upsets happen. Neeb hasn't performed recently.

i said this before the current tournament?

Yeah still neeb is so hard to judge result wise as he mostly plays NA and maybe some open cups sometimes and in NA there are just scarlett and astrea to judge him by.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-03 12:25:38
July 03 2022 12:25 GMT
#52
On July 03 2022 20:45 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2022 15:23 CicadaSC wrote:
On July 03 2022 11:03 Cricketer12 wrote:
On July 03 2022 10:06 CicadaSC wrote:
On July 02 2022 01:50 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 02 2022 01:37 CicadaSC wrote:
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.

If by "win the tournament" you mean "get eliminated in the group stages," sure. I mean seriously, have you seen his performance in any international tournament of late? He's not even the NA player with the best chance.

Edit: okay, my Neeb hate was misplaced. But I still don't think he's anywhere near being a title contender.


How about now?

Yes, let's use the current tournament to judge where to put neeb on the pretournament list. Upsets happen. Neeb hasn't performed recently.

i said this before the current tournament?

Yeah still neeb is so hard to judge result wise as he mostly plays NA and maybe some open cups sometimes and in NA there are just scarlett and astrea to judge him by.

i'll agree he's hard to judge, but he clean sweeped open cup and 3-0d byun just before this. his form is nutty. rip his run tho creator played well and clutched that ^^
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
July 03 2022 16:01 GMT
#53
On July 03 2022 10:06 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2022 01:50 QOGQOG wrote:
On July 02 2022 01:37 CicadaSC wrote:
no neeb on this list? I think he will win the tournament honestly. his condition is kind of scarily good right now.

If by "win the tournament" you mean "get eliminated in the group stages," sure. I mean seriously, have you seen his performance in any international tournament of late? He's not even the NA player with the best chance.

Edit: okay, my Neeb hate was misplaced. But I still don't think he's anywhere near being a title contender.


How about now?

Now he absolutely did not win the tournament and didn't get anywhere close. Even if he'd beaten Creator, Maru or Reynor would have absolutely destroyed him. Sure, I underestimated him a little, but you overestimated him quite a lot. He's not a title contender until he, you know, contends for a title.
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