EPTWhere is the recap from IEM Katowice 2022 ? - Page 3
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Mizenhauer
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Archerylady
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2592 Posts
On April 28 2022 23:48 Archerylady wrote: While a fancy recap would have been nice, it wasn't a necessity. The problem was that the recap thread is where people congratulate the victor and discuss the event and the significance of the results, and there was no such place this time. Even a very low-effort OP would have sufficed for that purpose. In other words, even if there's no one to write the article, let the rest of us write the replies. Although maybe any given poster could have made such a low-effort thread? This I agree with. I'm kind of hemming and hawing and thinking maybe I should create such a thread for the GSL semifinal matches that completed today, in case no proper recap is forthcoming, just so that I can + Show Spoiler + crow about my boy Creator smashing Trap and finally showing what he can do after ten years!!! | ||
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abuturab1
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SharkStarcraft
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Has anyone noticed GSL lost half its viewers from last year? They finely cultivated an image that portrayed GSL as the best Starcraft in the world. In 2012 we would ask "Will a foreigner ever win a GSL?", in 2022 we ask "Can Serral be bothered to practice and live for a month in Korea?" Have you noticed gsl hits less than 1k viewers? Whenever a foreigner wins something their brand is destroyed. One would think that this would simply shift the EU region as the hegemon of Starcraft, but it will never be. GSL is Blizzard's pet project gone wrong, they thought they could charge people for the privilege to watch it in 2010, you literally could not watch it unless you paid. The finest casters in Esports cast GSL, no one watches Youtube highlights for Rotterdam, they watch it for Tastosis. No one will wait 3 months to see Serral stomp a group stage, play a series against Reynor and another against Clem and enjoy the Esport. In this business you need consistency, you need a format that allows the best players to play often. Just look at soccer. What we have is a format that allows Zest and Maru to drink away their Katowice woes while Protoss players no one cares about get to the korean finals. All while you have to tune in at specific times during the day to see Serral demolish a ladder hero. If you tune in at any other moment you'll watch shitty players playing shitty Starcraft. EU scene needs to be like GSL, where the best players consistently get airtime. If it isn't then you'll get this, no one will write an article about the biggest tournament of the year, simply because no one cares. WCS format was made for no-names to get airtime as charity, its not made for superstars to shine. No-names don't get front page mentions when they win something. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1262 Posts
On April 29 2022 13:13 Morbidius wrote: Serral's coronation as the king of Starcraft(and Zerg's lordship over its vassal races), had disastrous effects on the game. Has anyone noticed GSL lost half its viewers from last year? They finely cultivated an image that portrayed GSL as the best Starcraft in the world. In 2012 we would ask "Will a foreigner ever win a GSL?", in 2022 we ask "Can Serral be bothered to practice and live for a month in Korea?" Have you noticed gsl hits less than 1k viewers? Whenever a foreigner wins something their brand is destroyed. One would think that this would simply shift the EU region as the hegemon of Starcraft, but it will never be. GSL is Blizzard's pet project gone wrong, they thought they could charge people for the privilege to watch it in 2010, you literally could not watch it unless you paid. The finest casters in Esports cast GSL, no one watches Youtube highlights for Rotterdam, they watch it for Tastosis. No one will wait 3 months to see Serral stomp a group stage, play a series against Reynor and another against Clem and enjoy the Esport. In this business you need consistency, you need a format that allows the best players to play often. Just look at soccer. What we have is a format that allows Zest and Maru to drink away their Katowice woes while Protoss players no one cares about get to the korean finals. All while you have to tune in at specific times during the day to see Serral demolish a ladder hero. If you tune in at any other moment you'll watch shitty players playing shitty Starcraft. EU scene needs to be like GSL, where the best players consistently get airtime. If it isn't then you'll get this, no one will write an article about the biggest tournament of the year, simply because no one cares. WCS format was made for no-names to get airtime as charity, its not made for superstars to shine. No-names don't get front page mentions when they win something. I love that your signature is "Has foreign Starcraft hit rock bottom"... A GSL-Format in EU doesn't do much, because the gap between 5-6 players and the rest is just too big. But if you only focus on those players, you destroy the slightest chance anyone else will ever raise up. It isn't 2012 anymore, there aren't hundreds of players just in line to become the next best thing. MaxPax may very well be the last players to ever enter the pantheon. Not saying it has to be like that, but the chances are very high. Also you may overestimate Tastosis. Yes, they are entertaining as fuck, but there is also a very reasonable debate that GSL is mostly a job for them by now, SC1 is where the passion lies. Which is fine by me, but since there are a lot of people who like their casting more detailed and strategy-based, Rotterdam or PiG are the casters to go for that. | ||
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UnLarva
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LxHVWBm.jpg) User was warned for this post. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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UnLarva
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On May 01 2022 01:18 Xain0n wrote: Hahahah great post! I don't know. Mere sad. You know, when even Serral's Wikipedia page is in it's recent condition, something is really wrong with the game and it's future. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/wjByfDn.png)  | ||
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allmotor1
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On April 29 2022 13:13 Morbidius wrote: Serral's coronation as the king of Starcraft(and Zerg's lordship over its vassal races), had disastrous effects on the game. Has anyone noticed GSL lost half its viewers from last year? They finely cultivated an image that portrayed GSL as the best Starcraft in the world. In 2012 we would ask "Will a foreigner ever win a GSL?", in 2022 we ask "Can Serral be bothered to practice and live for a month in Korea?" Have you noticed gsl hits less than 1k viewers? Whenever a foreigner wins something their brand is destroyed. One would think that this would simply shift the EU region as the hegemon of Starcraft, but it will never be. GSL is Blizzard's pet project gone wrong, they thought they could charge people for the privilege to watch it in 2010, you literally could not watch it unless you paid. The finest casters in Esports cast GSL, no one watches Youtube highlights for Rotterdam, they watch it for Tastosis. No one will wait 3 months to see Serral stomp a group stage, play a series against Reynor and another against Clem and enjoy the Esport. In this business you need consistency, you need a format that allows the best players to play often. Just look at soccer. What we have is a format that allows Zest and Maru to drink away their Katowice woes while Protoss players no one cares about get to the korean finals. All while you have to tune in at specific times during the day to see Serral demolish a ladder hero. If you tune in at any other moment you'll watch shitty players playing shitty Starcraft. EU scene needs to be like GSL, where the best players consistently get airtime. If it isn't then you'll get this, no one will write an article about the biggest tournament of the year, simply because no one cares. WCS format was made for no-names to get airtime as charity, its not made for superstars to shine. No-names don't get front page mentions when they win something. sc2 has been dead in korea for a long time. has nothing to do with what you said. all the top korean talents and new blood go to other games. you act like EU has a burgeoning group of players that can compete consistently with the remaining top koreans, it's just mostly Serral/Reynor. | ||
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UnLarva
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He was like a god to then contemporaries, it's clear. He was the ultimate grandmaster of some kind of simulated war, that's clear too, but we don't know much about this guy as his achievements were not inscribed onto the stone then, not even on a clay tablet. They didn't even rise a pillar for his honor, like they did to Hadrianus. There are several ancient generals we know more (Hannibal, Scipio Africanus, Subotai, Pyrrhos, Napoleon, even Rommel, Zhukov), but only because they lived in an era everything wasn't coded only on a silicon. Serral's case is different, we don't exactly know was he kind of semi-god or just incredibly good strategist. Unless some kind of 'Rosetta's stone' will be found, we will likely never know. All we can know he was highly revered in what ever he was doing during that era. ... ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Chich%C3%A9n_Itz%C3%A1_Goal.jpg/250px-<br>Chich%C3%A9n_Itz%C3%A1_Goal.jpg) Some ballcourts had upper goals, scoring on which would end the match instantly. (allegedly) | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
It's not simply enough. Not what we all expect from this site, in it's core format. This is the primary site of SC2 related stuff. "Missing recap of Katowice 2022" will be the internet meme. Should be easy to fix, in principle, tho. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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UnLarva
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As I know I'm yet only one who have shown a proper, written recap. Here, https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/587041-iem-katowice-2022-final-four-players-set-for-sunday?page=3#56 Sorry, it's in Finnish, but there are some effort put there. And the POINT Fucking stands! | ||
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UnLarva
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/bbLrGu4.png) The historical moment when the Korean SC2 hegemony was finally obliterated. Irreversibly. | ||
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Durnuu
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On May 01 2022 04:48 UnLarva wrote: The historical moment when the Korean SC2 hegemony was finally obliterated. Irreversibly. I thought that was when Proleague ended, but what do I know  | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On May 01 2022 05:09 Durnuu wrote: I thought that was when Proleague ended, but what do I know Fair enough. Now all we need is to instill an understanding that the GSL is not The Grail of SC2 if best players of the game are not even playing it (since 2018 and forever in case of Serral, Since 2019 or whatever of case of Reynor etc.), so we finally close that "value of GSL" topic. Can we? Assembly of Finland et co. should just arrange a tournament, GSL- style (if you please), and everyone would be happy. @azhrak of starcraft2.fi On ihan perkeleen pitkä suojuoksu sponsorien kanssa, mutta se on silti ainut hyvä hyökkäyslinja tällä rintamalla, jossei Joona itse puutu peliin. Ja sitä emme kukaan häneltä odota. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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LostUsername100
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EDIT: Which I don't blame the writers for, I imagine you guys are not getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to write recaps and it's mostly passion driven. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On May 01 2022 06:32 LostUsername100 wrote: If Maru had won this recap would have been written about 100x, Rogue about 10x, there are recap articles about GSL code A. EDIT: Which I don't blame the writers for, I imagine you guys are not getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to write recaps and it's mostly passion driven. Maru winning would have broken a global championship Zerg streak that has been going on since 2017 over the course of 9 events so he probably would have gotten an article. For Rogue, assuming the tournament played out the exact same way except Rogue beat Serral and Reynor I highly doubt he would have gotten a recap article. Would have been nice though because we may have gotten actual Zerg nerfs if that happened instead of whatever the hell the last patch was. | ||
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