EPTI understand that this site and community is not been supported by hundreds of sponsors with millions of revenue, but the recaps from tournaments and possible articles following that would be nice to get in timely manner. And now we are talking about the biggest tournament of SC2 in the whole year. Of course us loyal followers have been watching it live and know the results, but in general it would be nice to have the articles ready way sooner. 3+ weeks is just not acceptable. Starcraft is not being highlighted that much anywhere else, so it would be nice that the most popular(?) community would have article(s) up to us enjoy and speculate (argue). At least I love to read from tournaments and the results from here and I would guess so do many other fans too.
Where is the recap from IEM Katowice 2022 ?
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Starcloud
138 Posts
I understand that this site and community is not been supported by hundreds of sponsors with millions of revenue, but the recaps from tournaments and possible articles following that would be nice to get in timely manner. And now we are talking about the biggest tournament of SC2 in the whole year. Of course us loyal followers have been watching it live and know the results, but in general it would be nice to have the articles ready way sooner. 3+ weeks is just not acceptable. Starcraft is not being highlighted that much anywhere else, so it would be nice that the most popular(?) community would have article(s) up to us enjoy and speculate (argue). At least I love to read from tournaments and the results from here and I would guess so do many other fans too. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 15 2022 13:31 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Why don't you write it? seconded | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2594 Posts
If you find yourself with the time to write an IEM recap, get your ass in gear and write it. If you don't, don't waste your time coming here to point fingers at the rest of the community for not producing the free content you want. | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
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MKStyles
106 Posts
On March 15 2022 17:09 Ziggy wrote: how dare the website i access for free not provide the content i want Yea, Sadge.... so where is it? | ||
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aringadingding
481 Posts
IF there was a lot of people wishing for a recap MAYBE someone who have the time and energy to write it would see the demand clearly and feel more inspired to start writing something. IF this person however, did NOT see any demand whatsoever, only remarks about how old the community is with other responsibilities, he/she would probably not take the time to write the recap. So I dont see the harm with the post. That being said, the "tone" could ofc have been more of a "it would be great if someone" instead of " this is not acceptable". That would probably have generated slightly more positive responses. | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
This question has already been answered in this thread: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/587041-iem-katowice-2022-final-four-players-set-for-sunday?page=3 There are no big tournaments yet so it is not that big of a deal that the recap isn't there yet, time is good to digest the season. | ||
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Starcloud
138 Posts
BTW, I once did a kind of recap of an tournament if I recall correctly. It was even harder whinefest then of course instead of any reasonable discussion. | ||
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outscar
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SpecKROELLchen
Germany151 Posts
And the post of outscar is also not valid. People are still not too busy to do ASMR videos, hot tub, reactions of reactions of reactions and all the stupid shit that you can imagine :D. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
It's unusual, for sure. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Effective, defensive, peaceful no-fly-zone. Imagine Rotti and Smix narrating in a real time live what is happening. That's why we cannot have our recap. | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2257 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On March 15 2022 13:31 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Why don't you write it? Why Don't you? Or you? On March 15 2022 17:09 Ziggy wrote: how dare the website i access for free not provide the content i want How we dare indeed? Writers! For free even!!! Come on Guys! | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 18 2022 05:44 UnLarva wrote: Why Don't you? Or you? How we dare indeed? Writers! For free even!!! Come on Guys! I'm not complaining though | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Me neither. At least any more. I wrote my draft. For free. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
 But for real though, if some of yall are interested to write some Starcraft stuff, you should totaly go for it! I'm sure the TL guys would be more than happy to publish it. Just think of it as a slightly more wordy shitpot. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19334 Posts
Zerg won. Serral bought a boat. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On March 16 2022 09:25 phodacbiet wrote: The recap is delayed due to supply chain issues. ok this was good | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
With that said, I also think it's fine as community members to question (without demanding anything) why there wasn't a recap for the biggest SC2 event of the year (and a very very good one at that), while still writing GSL previews (and even recaps!). It could just be such a recap takes time, etc., but I would respond to that that I think most people would be completely satisfied with a very quick recap that's no more than five paragraphs or so, even a few paragraphs tbh (like the recent GSL summaries but without the game descriptions). Recap threads are great in that they serve as a new thread for people to discuss, or they serve as a headliner for people who maybe didn't watch the tournament or keep heavily up to date, or, just simply, they commemorate important SC2 moments. I mean we are so far past that I don't really think any recap is needed now because it's just so late (are you really going to write "Last month, Serral took his long-awaited trophy etc."). If you guys are planning a very long recap, that's still super cool! But I think most community members would have also preferred a super quick recap sometime shortly after the end of the biggest SC2 tournament of the year. On March 15 2022 19:09 Poopi wrote: This question has already been answered in this thread: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/587041-iem-katowice-2022-final-four-players-set-for-sunday?page=3 There are no big tournaments yet so it is not that big of a deal that the recap isn't there yet, time is good to digest the season. And in response to this, I don't think time is actually good to digest the season. Maybe a few days or a week, but SC2 changes so fast that the things we note about a tournament in February might very well be completely false/no longer true come next week in April. All of this going without saying of course that TL writers are amazing and the community is highly indebted to them for the great work that you do. | ||
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JJH777
United States4416 Posts
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Starcloud
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 16 2022 14:27 Starcloud wrote: Reynor won ? Some white zerg player, could have been him idk. | ||
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HeroSandro
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Curufinwe Feanor
Brazil91 Posts
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On April 16 2022 23:35 Curufinwe Feanor wrote: shameful...best tourney in years, cementing Serrasl place as GOAT, and no review. Just shameful Stop bitching and write it yourself if you care so much... | ||
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FamesCorv
Germany33 Posts
Serral vs Reynor shortfilm I also think no one should blame anyone on here not being a recap. Whoever would love to see one, should take the time and write it. There were so many cool side stories, like Ryung advancing from the groups eventhough he was "just" a covid replacement, heromarine going to semis, the epic spriti vs nice match and so on... So it will take a lot of effort to cover it all. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1281 Posts
On April 17 2022 02:09 FamesCorv wrote: There is a small recap of the finals at least in this video Serral vs Reynor shortfilm I also think no one should blame anyone on here not being a recap. Whoever would love to see one, should take the time and write it. There were so many cool side stories, like Ryung advancing from the groups eventhough he was "just" a covid replacement, heromarine going to semis, the epic spriti vs nice match and so on... So it will take a lot of effort to cover it all. Honestly though: Can someone please explain to me what TL.net wants to be? A news page like HLTV for SC2? Or just a community that sometimes, if someone has the muse for it, does Esports coverage? Because if it is the first one, they do an amazingly crappy job at it. If it is the later, then that is fine, but I seriously wonder if there actually is a website that does actual coverage of SC2? | ||
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FamesCorv
Germany33 Posts
So yeah huge shoutout to every writer/contibrutor on this website. Don't feel hassled by threads like these, you are doing an awesome job. Many people read your reports and like 'em, even without commenting. | ||
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TossHeroes
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yepjan
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
On April 17 2022 04:25 Balnazza wrote: Honestly though: Can someone please explain to me what TL.net wants to be? A news page like HLTV for SC2? Or just a community that sometimes, if someone has the muse for it, does Esports coverage? Because if it is the first one, they do an amazingly crappy job at it. If it is the later, then that is fine, but I seriously wonder if there actually is a website that does actual coverage of SC2? lol personally i prefer the crowdsourced sc2 content from dedicated fans doing it for free | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On April 17 2022 08:30 yepjan wrote: they are just mad, coz serral won and it was a non korean final I highly doubt this is the reason | ||
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tigera6
3483 Posts
Btw, the recap shouldnt just about Serral, there were plenty of good story there, lack of Protoss players, Ryung rise, some dissapointment like Clem and Cure, ect..Surely Serral and Reynor were the peak performers, but there just are too many things to talk about. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 17 2022 04:25 Balnazza wrote: Honestly though: Can someone please explain to me what TL.net wants to be? A news page like HLTV for SC2? Or just a community that sometimes, if someone has the muse for it, does Esports coverage? Because if it is the first one, they do an amazingly crappy job at it. If it is the later, then that is fine, but I seriously wonder if there actually is a website that does actual coverage of SC2? TL.net is like Wax and Poopi these day, it's hardly a massive team, and they are chruning thousands of words every month. Maybe neither had the wilingness to write a recap world championship that took place over dozens of hours this time around. No there are no other SC2 new website as it take tens of hours every week. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2450 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1922 Posts
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Archerylady
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2594 Posts
On April 28 2022 23:48 Archerylady wrote: While a fancy recap would have been nice, it wasn't a necessity. The problem was that the recap thread is where people congratulate the victor and discuss the event and the significance of the results, and there was no such place this time. Even a very low-effort OP would have sufficed for that purpose. In other words, even if there's no one to write the article, let the rest of us write the replies. Although maybe any given poster could have made such a low-effort thread? This I agree with. I'm kind of hemming and hawing and thinking maybe I should create such a thread for the GSL semifinal matches that completed today, in case no proper recap is forthcoming, just so that I can + Show Spoiler + crow about my boy Creator smashing Trap and finally showing what he can do after ten years!!! | ||
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abuturab1
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2257 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Has anyone noticed GSL lost half its viewers from last year? They finely cultivated an image that portrayed GSL as the best Starcraft in the world. In 2012 we would ask "Will a foreigner ever win a GSL?", in 2022 we ask "Can Serral be bothered to practice and live for a month in Korea?" Have you noticed gsl hits less than 1k viewers? Whenever a foreigner wins something their brand is destroyed. One would think that this would simply shift the EU region as the hegemon of Starcraft, but it will never be. GSL is Blizzard's pet project gone wrong, they thought they could charge people for the privilege to watch it in 2010, you literally could not watch it unless you paid. The finest casters in Esports cast GSL, no one watches Youtube highlights for Rotterdam, they watch it for Tastosis. No one will wait 3 months to see Serral stomp a group stage, play a series against Reynor and another against Clem and enjoy the Esport. In this business you need consistency, you need a format that allows the best players to play often. Just look at soccer. What we have is a format that allows Zest and Maru to drink away their Katowice woes while Protoss players no one cares about get to the korean finals. All while you have to tune in at specific times during the day to see Serral demolish a ladder hero. If you tune in at any other moment you'll watch shitty players playing shitty Starcraft. EU scene needs to be like GSL, where the best players consistently get airtime. If it isn't then you'll get this, no one will write an article about the biggest tournament of the year, simply because no one cares. WCS format was made for no-names to get airtime as charity, its not made for superstars to shine. No-names don't get front page mentions when they win something. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1281 Posts
On April 29 2022 13:13 Morbidius wrote: Serral's coronation as the king of Starcraft(and Zerg's lordship over its vassal races), had disastrous effects on the game. Has anyone noticed GSL lost half its viewers from last year? They finely cultivated an image that portrayed GSL as the best Starcraft in the world. In 2012 we would ask "Will a foreigner ever win a GSL?", in 2022 we ask "Can Serral be bothered to practice and live for a month in Korea?" Have you noticed gsl hits less than 1k viewers? Whenever a foreigner wins something their brand is destroyed. One would think that this would simply shift the EU region as the hegemon of Starcraft, but it will never be. GSL is Blizzard's pet project gone wrong, they thought they could charge people for the privilege to watch it in 2010, you literally could not watch it unless you paid. The finest casters in Esports cast GSL, no one watches Youtube highlights for Rotterdam, they watch it for Tastosis. No one will wait 3 months to see Serral stomp a group stage, play a series against Reynor and another against Clem and enjoy the Esport. In this business you need consistency, you need a format that allows the best players to play often. Just look at soccer. What we have is a format that allows Zest and Maru to drink away their Katowice woes while Protoss players no one cares about get to the korean finals. All while you have to tune in at specific times during the day to see Serral demolish a ladder hero. If you tune in at any other moment you'll watch shitty players playing shitty Starcraft. EU scene needs to be like GSL, where the best players consistently get airtime. If it isn't then you'll get this, no one will write an article about the biggest tournament of the year, simply because no one cares. WCS format was made for no-names to get airtime as charity, its not made for superstars to shine. No-names don't get front page mentions when they win something. I love that your signature is "Has foreign Starcraft hit rock bottom"... A GSL-Format in EU doesn't do much, because the gap between 5-6 players and the rest is just too big. But if you only focus on those players, you destroy the slightest chance anyone else will ever raise up. It isn't 2012 anymore, there aren't hundreds of players just in line to become the next best thing. MaxPax may very well be the last players to ever enter the pantheon. Not saying it has to be like that, but the chances are very high. Also you may overestimate Tastosis. Yes, they are entertaining as fuck, but there is also a very reasonable debate that GSL is mostly a job for them by now, SC1 is where the passion lies. Which is fine by me, but since there are a lot of people who like their casting more detailed and strategy-based, Rotterdam or PiG are the casters to go for that. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LxHVWBm.jpg) User was warned for this post. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On May 01 2022 01:18 Xain0n wrote: Hahahah great post! I don't know. Mere sad. You know, when even Serral's Wikipedia page is in it's recent condition, something is really wrong with the game and it's future. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/wjByfDn.png)  | ||
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allmotor1
153 Posts
On April 29 2022 13:13 Morbidius wrote: Serral's coronation as the king of Starcraft(and Zerg's lordship over its vassal races), had disastrous effects on the game. Has anyone noticed GSL lost half its viewers from last year? They finely cultivated an image that portrayed GSL as the best Starcraft in the world. In 2012 we would ask "Will a foreigner ever win a GSL?", in 2022 we ask "Can Serral be bothered to practice and live for a month in Korea?" Have you noticed gsl hits less than 1k viewers? Whenever a foreigner wins something their brand is destroyed. One would think that this would simply shift the EU region as the hegemon of Starcraft, but it will never be. GSL is Blizzard's pet project gone wrong, they thought they could charge people for the privilege to watch it in 2010, you literally could not watch it unless you paid. The finest casters in Esports cast GSL, no one watches Youtube highlights for Rotterdam, they watch it for Tastosis. No one will wait 3 months to see Serral stomp a group stage, play a series against Reynor and another against Clem and enjoy the Esport. In this business you need consistency, you need a format that allows the best players to play often. Just look at soccer. What we have is a format that allows Zest and Maru to drink away their Katowice woes while Protoss players no one cares about get to the korean finals. All while you have to tune in at specific times during the day to see Serral demolish a ladder hero. If you tune in at any other moment you'll watch shitty players playing shitty Starcraft. EU scene needs to be like GSL, where the best players consistently get airtime. If it isn't then you'll get this, no one will write an article about the biggest tournament of the year, simply because no one cares. WCS format was made for no-names to get airtime as charity, its not made for superstars to shine. No-names don't get front page mentions when they win something. sc2 has been dead in korea for a long time. has nothing to do with what you said. all the top korean talents and new blood go to other games. you act like EU has a burgeoning group of players that can compete consistently with the remaining top koreans, it's just mostly Serral/Reynor. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
He was like a god to then contemporaries, it's clear. He was the ultimate grandmaster of some kind of simulated war, that's clear too, but we don't know much about this guy as his achievements were not inscribed onto the stone then, not even on a clay tablet. They didn't even rise a pillar for his honor, like they did to Hadrianus. There are several ancient generals we know more (Hannibal, Scipio Africanus, Subotai, Pyrrhos, Napoleon, even Rommel, Zhukov), but only because they lived in an era everything wasn't coded only on a silicon. Serral's case is different, we don't exactly know was he kind of semi-god or just incredibly good strategist. Unless some kind of 'Rosetta's stone' will be found, we will likely never know. All we can know he was highly revered in what ever he was doing during that era. ... ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Chich%C3%A9n_Itz%C3%A1_Goal.jpg/250px-<br>Chich%C3%A9n_Itz%C3%A1_Goal.jpg) Some ballcourts had upper goals, scoring on which would end the match instantly. (allegedly) | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
It's not simply enough. Not what we all expect from this site, in it's core format. This is the primary site of SC2 related stuff. "Missing recap of Katowice 2022" will be the internet meme. Should be easy to fix, in principle, tho. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
As I know I'm yet only one who have shown a proper, written recap. Here, https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/587041-iem-katowice-2022-final-four-players-set-for-sunday?page=3#56 Sorry, it's in Finnish, but there are some effort put there. And the POINT Fucking stands! | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/bbLrGu4.png) The historical moment when the Korean SC2 hegemony was finally obliterated. Irreversibly. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On May 01 2022 04:48 UnLarva wrote: The historical moment when the Korean SC2 hegemony was finally obliterated. Irreversibly. I thought that was when Proleague ended, but what do I know  | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On May 01 2022 05:09 Durnuu wrote: I thought that was when Proleague ended, but what do I know Fair enough. Now all we need is to instill an understanding that the GSL is not The Grail of SC2 if best players of the game are not even playing it (since 2018 and forever in case of Serral, Since 2019 or whatever of case of Reynor etc.), so we finally close that "value of GSL" topic. Can we? Assembly of Finland et co. should just arrange a tournament, GSL- style (if you please), and everyone would be happy. @azhrak of starcraft2.fi On ihan perkeleen pitkä suojuoksu sponsorien kanssa, mutta se on silti ainut hyvä hyökkäyslinja tällä rintamalla, jossei Joona itse puutu peliin. Ja sitä emme kukaan häneltä odota. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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LostUsername100
96 Posts
EDIT: Which I don't blame the writers for, I imagine you guys are not getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to write recaps and it's mostly passion driven. | ||
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JJH777
United States4416 Posts
On May 01 2022 06:32 LostUsername100 wrote: If Maru had won this recap would have been written about 100x, Rogue about 10x, there are recap articles about GSL code A. EDIT: Which I don't blame the writers for, I imagine you guys are not getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to write recaps and it's mostly passion driven. Maru winning would have broken a global championship Zerg streak that has been going on since 2017 over the course of 9 events so he probably would have gotten an article. For Rogue, assuming the tournament played out the exact same way except Rogue beat Serral and Reynor I highly doubt he would have gotten a recap article. Would have been nice though because we may have gotten actual Zerg nerfs if that happened instead of whatever the hell the last patch was. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
^ Poor souls, drawing the short straw. Hope they have fully recovered from PTSD... | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On May 01 2022 05:23 UnLarva wrote: Fair enough. Now all we need is to instill an understanding that the GSL is not The Grail of SC2 if best players of the game are not even playing it (since 2018 and forever in case of Serral, Since 2019 or whatever of case of Reynor etc.), so we finally close that "value of GSL" topic. Can we? Assembly of Finland et co. should just arrange a tournament, GSL- style (if you please), and everyone would be happy. @azhrak of starcraft2.fi On ihan perkeleen pitkä suojuoksu sponsorien kanssa, mutta se on silti ainut hyvä hyökkäyslinja tällä rintamalla, jossei Joona itse puutu peliin. Ja sitä emme kukaan häneltä odota. User was temp banned for this post. TL mods SHUTTING DOWN Serral fans, if this isn't proof of TL.net's bias then I don't know what is!!!!!!! | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1922 Posts
On May 01 2022 21:07 Durnuu wrote: TL mods SHUTTING DOWN Serral fans, if this isn't proof of TL.net's bias then I don't know what is!!!!!!! We know who butters our bread  ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/9o1t3gt.png) And we'll see, maybe I'll put these old fingers to use and write a Code S something just for you unlarva. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26645 Posts
Hopefully it wasn’t a super Zerg dominated tournament this time | ||
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