I really like the shield battery changes.
I am looking forward to seeing some cool micro with drop overlords to move queens across the map and drop creep so they can transfuse. It adds another step to queen walks, but i think it will be cool to see. I could be wrong.
Perhaps the void ray is being hit too hard, maybe just one of those changes would be good enough.
I'm very happy to see some development!

Mutaller

United States1051 Posts

March 09 2022 01:11 GMT

#82

Queen walk with overlord poop! Have a highway of overlords with creep to get the queens across then use them to put creep down for the queen

Gescom

Canada3505 Posts

March 09 2022 02:38 GMT

#83

Honestly it looks pretty good for a gentle approach

TossHeroes

281 Posts

March 09 2022 02:50 GMT

#84

Oh look another patch with more Toss nerf lol

Void ray more expensive, sure Toss can live with that

DT and battery nerf? Just so the terran fanboys stop crying?

1500min 1500 gas commitment just for a “chance” to kill a 550 planetary?

NoS-Craig

Australia3122 Posts

March 09 2022 03:12 GMT

#85

Queens can't transfuse off creep wow.

washikie

United States752 Posts

March 09 2022 03:57 GMT

#86

Hell it’s about time.

machinus

United States291 Posts

March 09 2022 04:53 GMT

#87

You identified which unit needs to be changed (Queen), but you picked the wrong ability. Creep is the problem, not transfuse.

angry_maia

327 Posts

March 09 2022 05:16 GMT

#88

On March 09 2022 11:50 TossHeroes wrote:
Oh look another patch with more Toss nerf lol

Void ray more expensive, sure Toss can live with that

DT and battery nerf? Just so the terran fanboys stop crying?

1500min 1500 gas commitment just for a “chance” to kill a 550 planetary?

do you think harstem is biased against toss?

xelnaga_empire

627 Posts

March 09 2022 05:22 GMT

#89

On March 09 2022 14:16 angry_maia wrote:

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do you think harstem is biased against toss?

Harstem overall thinks the nerfs to shield battery and nerf to blink for DTs was a good nerf and it was needed.

Die4Ever

United States17718 Posts

March 09 2022 05:48 GMT

#90

On March 09 2022 14:22 xelnaga_empire wrote:

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Obvously, TossHeroes knows more about balance at the highest level than Harstem does /s

For those who don't know, this balance patch was made from the input from a group of pro players, including Harstem's input: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF2K7m9-4uc

Harstem overall thinks the nerfs to shield battery and nerf to blink for DTs was a good nerf and it was needed.

I think all the individual changes are good (except idk why they did that widow mine nerf?), but the patch overall is maybe missing something

AirbladeOrange

United States2573 Posts

March 09 2022 05:57 GMT

#91

Excited to see a PTR patch but a bit disappointed with the proposed changes.

- Shield battery nerf seems good to discourage mass proxy battery cheeses
- DT buff seems unnecessary but not a big deal
- Void ray nerfs seem too much. Pick one nerf, not both. But really they should be changed to be more interesting and have more micro potential.
- Queen nerf seems decent but not sure how big of a deal this will end up being
- Widow mine nerf seems good for lower levels but not sure about it being good for pro level
- Lurker nerf seems okay but probably not enough. I think having slower movement speed would be better. Maybe both slightly nerfed?
- Nydus buff seems fine, especially because of the queen nerf

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

March 09 2022 06:03 GMT

#92

On March 09 2022 14:48 Die4Ever wrote:

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I think all the individual changes are good (except idk why they did that widow mine nerf?), but the patch overall is maybe missing something

I heard this patch has been in the works for *ages*, with roughly the same changes the whole time, and it seems like a patch that a year ago everyone would have loved (people complaining about blink dts, clem destroying serral/reynor with mines, etc.)

Nebuchad

Switzerland12372 Posts

March 09 2022 06:04 GMT

#93

It's a decent patch for the starcraft community though, it switches the game from Z >> T >>>>>>>> P to T > Z >>>>>>> P, which historically is what people want.

Die4Ever

United States17718 Posts

March 09 2022 06:08 GMT

#94

On March 09 2022 15:04 Nebuchad wrote:
It's a decent patch for the starcraft community though, it switches the game from Z >> T >>>>>>>> P to T > Z >>>>>>> P, which historically is what people want.

I don't see how this patch affects TvZ much, and I think the issues with TvZ are more about maps anyways

dbRic1203

Germany2655 Posts

March 09 2022 06:38 GMT

#95

Overall looks quite decent I think.
The only thing, I realy Don t get is the DT Nerf.
If you want to nerf P Late game, make the carrier weaker, like increase the interceptor build time a second or two and make carriers practically useless.
But why nerf the only Protoss ground unit, that was somewhat decent in Lategame before?
If they want to Help Protoss in high Level while nerf them at lower Level, they need to nerf A- move units like the carrier and buff units you actually have to control to do damage.

neptunusfisk

2286 Posts

March 09 2022 08:03 GMT

#96

On March 09 2022 07:16 Metalmade wrote:

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Yes. Where do the other races get away with bad macro? As I said, if u miss injects or creep cycles you get punished by not having larva or vision. Protoss also cant chrono multiple times the same building at once. So exlain to me, where they get away with murder...

Did you hear about warp gate and larva

Poopi

France12906 Posts

March 09 2022 08:40 GMT

#97

Look at it the other way: nobody was complaining when DTs didn’t have blink that « they absolutely need blink ». Making it less obnoxious than it is atm and allow more time to react / thus more counter play and making it less of a « free meal » move for protoss is probably a good thing.