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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 08 2022 22:36 xelnaga_empire wrote: More like Z > T, and P > T right now. That's why Terran has performed the worst in Premier tournaments over the last year. P>T? That's definitely not what Katowice has taught us. | ||
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darklycid
3541 Posts
On March 09 2022 00:56 Xain0n wrote: P>T? That's definitely not what Katowice has taught us. As i said before the matchup is pretty swingy imo which is why i think there isn't really a correct statement on it. One tournament protoss mops the floor with the terrans the other it gets mopped, both happend over the recent times. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13995 Posts
On February 28 2022 08:25 Pandain wrote: Yeah it's disingenuous to remove maru but not remove trap lol when have tl terrans been anything but | ||
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Pentarp
227 Posts
Aren't you the guy that doesn't realize that nerf to widow-mine burrow is a buff for Protoss versus Terran? Oh yes, yes you are. On March 09 2022 07:10 Cricketer12 wrote: Protoss...nerfs? Is there something I'm missing? Thought protoss sucked as evidenced by the last two years of competetive results... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26714 Posts
Beats me. The #TerranMasterRace types since the dawn of time both want to flex about how 1337 they are for playing the ‘hardest race’ while complaining their race is hard. Given that innate contradiction at the core of their being, of course they’re going to spout nonsense for a decade+ For the sake of mods and my Terran playing brethren, I am very much talking about a certain type of Terran player. As many of us are PC gamers, a minority of us are #PCMasterRace obnoxious twats. | ||
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angry_maia
327 Posts
On March 09 2022 00:56 Xain0n wrote: P>T? That's definitely not what Katowice has taught us. I'd say Z > P, P = T, Z > T. I think Katowice accurate reflects this Zest 2-0 bunny Zest 0-2 Heromarine Trap 2-1 heromarine Trap 1-2 Bunny Zoun 0-2 Clem Zoun 2-1 Maru Zoun 1-3 Heromarine Seems even to me. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On March 09 2022 00:56 Xain0n wrote: P>T? That's definitely not what Katowice has taught us. You forget the last GSL Super Tournament where P > T and the champion was a Protoss. In fact, the two best Terran players in the last GSL Super Tournament, Maru and Cure, were taken out by a Protoss player. This is why you can't cherry pick a single tournament. You need to look at more Premier tournaments to determine the performance. And if you look at the Premier tournaments over the last year, Protoss has outperformed Terran (read the first post in this thread for the stats that show Protoss has outperformed Terran). | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On March 09 2022 10:49 angry_maia wrote: I'd say Z > P, P = T, Z > T. I think Katowice accurate reflects this Zest 2-0 bunny Zest 0-2 Heromarine Trap 2-1 heromarine Trap 1-2 Bunny Zoun 0-2 Clem Zoun 2-1 Maru Zoun 1-3 Heromarine Seems even to me. GSL Super Tournament before Katowice: Zest 3-2 over Bunny Zest 3-1 over Maru Maru 3-2 over Hero Zoun 3-0 over Cure Doesn't seem very even to me in the last GSL Super Tournament. Regardless, as I mentioned, you should be looking at a larger data set over the last year for Premier tournaments. And Protoss has outperformed Terran in Premier tournaments in the last year, this is the first post in this thread. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On March 09 2022 10:24 WombaT wrote: Beats me. The #TerranMasterRace types since the dawn of time both want to flex about how 1337 they are for playing the ‘hardest race’ while complaining their race is hard. Given that innate contradiction at the core of their being, of course they’re going to spout nonsense for a decade+ For the sake of mods and my Terran playing brethren, I am very much talking about a certain type of Terran player. As many of us are PC gamers, a minority of us are #PCMasterRace obnoxious twats. Some of these people you can have real, meaningful, interesting conversations with. But there's a subset of posters on this forum who will never be satisfied unless Maru wins absolutely everything ever. This about sums it up: On March 07 2022 00:00 TossHeroes wrote: It’s always been like this since WOL with the terran fanboys When P wins. A move Imba When Z wins. Imba op When T terrans. godlike, other races need to l2p. I do admit the terran tears after every big tournament is highly entertaining though. Mental gymnastics But not all terrans obviously, just a few here. No offense to them, they have strong opinions and that's alright. It's just I don't think they are actually open to debate. | ||
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angry_maia
327 Posts
On March 09 2022 10:58 xelnaga_empire wrote: You forget the last GSL Super Tournament where P > T and the champion was a Protoss. In fact, the two best Terran players in the last GSL Super Tournament, Maru and Cure, were taken out by a Protoss player. This is why you can't cherry pick a single tournament. You need to look at more Premier tournaments to determine the performance. And if you look at the Premier tournaments over the last year, Protoss has outperformed Terran (read the first post in this thread for the stats that show Protoss has outperformed Terran). I'm not, I'm just pointing out that Katowice isn't evidence of P or T domination against each other. Also lol, I can just as easily mention Gsl Season 3 where Cure took out Trap and Zest, the undoubtedly best two protoss players. I think looking at premium tourney wins is sort of a silly metric -- nearly ALL of them are Trap/Zest for Toss and Cure/Maru for Terran, and if you match those guys against each other you get pretty much 50/50. If you look at the total number of maps, I don't think you get a statistically meaningful measure either way. This argument of course goes both ways, and people whining that P << T, Z are also wrong for similar reasons. I think the only thing that the statistics will back up is that Z is the strongest race, nothing else. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13995 Posts
On March 09 2022 10:12 Pentarp wrote: Aren't you the guy that doesn't realize that nerf to widow-mine burrow is a buff for Protoss versus Terran? Oh yes, yes you are. Yes I'm clearing referring to the widow mine nerf when I refer to protoss nerfs  | ||
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honorablemacroterran
188 Posts
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On February 28 2022 09:36 TossHeroes wrote: Simple cause terran has the least amount of S tier players Zerg’s BiG 4 has always been the best players in the world by a margin for a while now But carry on with the usual terran whining after every tournament When terran wins its because “Mary and Clem GOdLike” When terran lose its “oP Toss and Zerg” Don’t terran fan boys get tired? Cause the rest of us sure do The irony is, the longest running thread is Protoss whining, when the stats show that Terran performed the worst in Premier tournaments in the last year. Protoss has performed better than Terran in Premier tournaments over the last year, and yet they have somehow convinced much of the community that Protoss is struggling the most, when it's actually Terran that is struggling the most in Premier tournaments in the last year. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
 WardiTV PTR Balance CupIt gives a little insight into Terran's performance in this balance patch but not much, because only 3 Terrans participated, with Spirit and Kelazhur knocking each other out. But MaxPax did 3-0 Kelazhur so it seems that Protoss can still beat Terran with the right strategies and build orders, with this balance patch. Of course, more competitive matches will be needed for this balance patch before we can better determine how Terran will perform. | ||
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Elantris
66 Posts
On March 15 2022 19:55 xelnaga_empire wrote: Well, looks like Wardii's Balance Patch tournament has ended with two Protoss reaching the finals: WardiTV PTR Balance CupIt gives a little insight into Terran's performance in this balance patch but not much, because only 3 Terrans participated, with Spirit and Kelazhur knocking each other out. But MaxPax did 3-0 Kelazhur so it seems that Protoss can still beat Terran with the right strategies and build orders, with this balance patch. Of course, more competitive matches will be needed for this balance patch before we can better determine how Terran will perform. It's pretty telling that EU terrans like Heromarine and Clem slowly stop competing in smaller tournaments just like Serral and Reynor riding their wave of success. Meanwhile poor Maxpax and Neeb absolutely need every chance to earn some money because protoss are fucked in real big tournaments. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On March 10 2022 13:31 honorablemacroterran wrote: That's right. I have sworn and will not repent. I will never be satisfied until the Emperor Maru (long may he reign) wins literally everything, as is his right. Vivat Maru. Your name is honorablemacroterran yet you worship Maru, this makes no sense | ||
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ZeroByte13
795 Posts
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
Alpha Pro Series: Ultimate Showdown/11It's just 4 games, but Hero beat Gumiho and Dream easily. Hero beat Gumiho 2-0 and Hero beat Dream 2-0. Just as many pros said, including Harstem saying this, but the balance patch probably won't change PvsT too much at the highest level. So the overall balance changes will be good for PvsT, because at least it will put a dent in the rampant voidray + shield battery abusers on ladder. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7162 Posts
On March 15 2022 19:55 xelnaga_empire wrote: Well, looks like Wardii's Balance Patch tournament has ended with two Protoss reaching the finals: WardiTV PTR Balance CupIt gives a little insight into Terran's performance in this balance patch but not much, because only 3 Terrans participated, with Spirit and Kelazhur knocking each other out. But MaxPax did 3-0 Kelazhur so it seems that Protoss can still beat Terran with the right strategies and build orders, with this balance patch. Of course, more competitive matches will be needed for this balance patch before we can better determine how Terran will perform. This tournament had like 80% Protoss from the start andhas EDIT: Just realized Solar was top 8 at IEM so he is actually pretty good in shape right now | ||
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xelnaga_empire
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