Why so many Protoss matches for high GM in EU? - Page 5

On July 25 2021 06:22 CicadaSC wrote:


put a liberator on top of your planetary and if u wanna go crazy, a widowmine or 2. Maru does it all the time.

On July 25 2021 19:04 Mlord wrote:


Thanks for your deep understanding of the problem master

On July 22 2021 01:03 geokilla wrote:
Protoss is an easy race compared to Terran and Zerg. I'm stuck at around 3700MMR on the NA ladder because I just can't beat late game TvZ and TvP. Once Protoss gets Carriers with Storms and/or Disruptors, I lose like 90% of the time. Once Zerg gets Ultras with Lurkers, I lose like 80% of the time. It's honestly depressing and makes me want to stop playing the game. From an entertainment point of view, no one likes to lose their games. If they can win more playing a certain race, they'll definitely do it.

Also from a strategy point of view, I think Protoss has more diverse strategies at the higher levels. You can also keep up or even out macro a Zerg because larva inject is actually pretty hard to do. Or if you want to play aggressive, you can by going for Gateway all in or something. Again, it's a very nice to play but at the absolute top, probably the weakest of all 3. We've all seen what Terrans can do when under the control of Clem or Maru with no ping.

On July 24 2021 20:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Protoss is a harder race than Terran or Zerg so their players have to practice harder. Terran and Zerg pros are mostly hanging around at beaches in tank tops while Protoss players grind the ladder and then when they occassionally start up a ladder game they obviously will face Protoss

On July 25 2021 19:04 Mlord wrote:


Thanks for your deep understanding of the problem master

On July 26 2021 05:40 Scarlett` wrote:

Top level builds translate better to qualifiers too for protoss it seems

On July 27 2021 18:09 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:


Qualifying matches were best of 5, which is as at least as long and "stable" as the majority of tournament matches.

Post qualifiers we have:
EU - 15 Protoss, 17 not Protoss.
NA - 9 Protoss, 7 not Protoss.

KR is on a slightly different system (although they already have 4 protoss and 2 non Protoss qualified in for the season finals). The other regions are substantially less relevant, but here's a breakdown anyway:

Latam - 1 protoss 7 non protoss
China - 4 protoss 4 not
TW / HK / MO / JP - 3 protoss 5 not
Oceania - 4 protoss 4 not.

Unless you only watch Latam games, pretty much anywhere you go on the DH circuit (including likely the season finals at this rate), about half the players you will see are gonna be protoss.

On July 27 2021 18:51 KalWarkov wrote:
protoss is a more strategic race and less of a mechanically driven one.

that makes it the "easiest" race up to ~6.3k
from that point on, i feel like things are pretty equal up to 6.7k ish, and then, the mechanically driven races take over.
that doesn't mean that "LUL protoss weak in pro sc2", it just means that mechanics can carry godlike players more consistantly with terran and especially zerg (on the ladder)

this leads to most pro protoss being stuck at 6.6k, but there being more of them, while the spread of terran and zerg is pretty even at all levels amongst their ppl. many zerg/terran players on a lower pro level or below tend to give up frustrated earlier or simply don't have the required "talent" and speed to progress.
a 6.6k protoss with a different race from the get go would either be a frustrated 6.2k terran/zerg or - less likely - a 6.9k terran/zerg, depending on their mechanics.
again, that doesn't mean protoss requires no mechanics at all, espeically at pro level, but you can go much further with just "solid" mechanics and smart plays than with other races, while you need godlike mechanics with terran/zerg - while you probably get more consistantly good results with these races even if you get out-stratagized every game (zerg being the even more extreme example).

that's how i see things at least.

On July 27 2021 18:51 KalWarkov wrote:
protoss is a more strategic race and less of a mechanically driven one.

that makes it the "easiest" race up to ~6.3k
from that point on, i feel like things are pretty equal up to 6.7k ish, and then, the mechanically driven races take over.
that doesn't mean that "LUL protoss weak in pro sc2", it just means that mechanics can carry godlike players more consistantly with terran and especially zerg (on the ladder)

this leads to most pro protoss being stuck at 6.6k, but there being more of them, while the spread of terran and zerg is pretty even at all levels amongst their ppl. many zerg/terran players on a lower pro level or below tend to give up frustrated earlier or simply don't have the required "talent" and speed to progress.
a 6.6k protoss with a different race from the get go would either be a frustrated 6.2k terran/zerg or - less likely - a 6.9k terran/zerg, depending on their mechanics.
again, that doesn't mean protoss requires no mechanics at all, espeically at pro level, but you can go much further with just "solid" mechanics and smart plays than with other races, while you need godlike mechanics with terran/zerg - while you probably get more consistantly good results with these races even if you get out-stratagized every game (zerg being the even more extreme example).

that's how i see things at least.

On July 27 2021 18:51 KalWarkov wrote:
protoss is a more strategic race and less of a mechanically driven one.

that makes it the "easiest" race up to ~6.3k

On July 26 2021 04:54 CicadaSC wrote:

A lib and a few mines is less supply and cost less than dt hitsquads. Not sure if you want to elaborate on why this is not a good answer?? Dts usually have to blink to get onto a planetary which will mean they are literally blinking into mines and a liberator field. As long as you can repair before the 3rd volley of dt swipes you should be completely fine.

On July 27 2021 23:44 SpecKROELLchen wrote:


Heromarine showed all the problems of defending blinked dts multiple times on stream. It is just not as simple as putting 2 mines and a lib at the planetary. What if you are on 5 bases? should you do it everywhere. When you premove the blink the dt squad so they spreaded around the planetary, you can even kill the planetary despite being 2 mines and a lib there. The pros are not stupid, its a reason not everyone does it. So i understand why this answer didn't have anough quality.