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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On January 25 2021 00:21 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2021 09:20 Chris_Havoc wrote:
I'm not too worried about future support. Why you ask?
Because Blizzard is contracted with ESL & AfreecaTV to provide a certain amount of support for esports events through 2022. Therefore they are going to continue to provide support for things like bug fixes, balance patches & map rotations. Of course the timeliness of said support may be somewhat...questionable. Finally someone who has the same opinion as me. I'm not getting all this doom and gloom, clearly they will reinstall other people to keep making patches for SC1&SC2. SC2 doesn't need many features either, it's kind of a complete game nowadays so little patches from time to time (yes, even balance ones) will suffice. I mean, what kind of content did we get in the recent years? Commanders, warchests, announcers... and.. more commanders! Plus a shitton of portraits or decals => cosmetics. Surely the game can do without this kind of content. I like Co-Op as it is right now and I enjoyed getting every single Warchest. But this type of content doesn't elevate a game to the next level. SC2 is 10,5 years old now, that support went on for that long is a miracle in itself! Esports being saved until the tail end of 2022 is fine too. After that, SC2 can slowly abdictate.
Well, questionable.
For example - hwo do you want to handle ladder? Once Blizzard stops delivering new ladder maps? This game also doesn't have a LAN support, so either there are servers on or off. There are at least 2 very good reasons for doom and gloom with this news. Third being the fact, that Blizzard is the sole reason the scene is semi-vital. And I don't see any Ubik to save it once Blizzard steps away.
Edit> I don't expect Blizz to turn off the servers any time soon, but I can see how they stop supporting the ladder once they step away from the e-sport scene. Or - they slow it down.
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On January 25 2021 02:28 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2021 00:21 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:On January 24 2021 09:20 Chris_Havoc wrote:
I'm not too worried about future support. Why you ask?
Because Blizzard is contracted with ESL & AfreecaTV to provide a certain amount of support for esports events through 2022. Therefore they are going to continue to provide support for things like bug fixes, balance patches & map rotations. Of course the timeliness of said support may be somewhat...questionable. Finally someone who has the same opinion as me. I'm not getting all this doom and gloom, clearly they will reinstall other people to keep making patches for SC1&SC2. SC2 doesn't need many features either, it's kind of a complete game nowadays so little patches from time to time (yes, even balance ones) will suffice. I mean, what kind of content did we get in the recent years? Commanders, warchests, announcers... and.. more commanders! Plus a shitton of portraits or decals => cosmetics. Surely the game can do without this kind of content. I like Co-Op as it is right now and I enjoyed getting every single Warchest. But this type of content doesn't elevate a game to the next level. SC2 is 10,5 years old now, that support went on for that long is a miracle in itself! Esports being saved until the tail end of 2022 is fine too. After that, SC2 can slowly abdictate. Well, questionable. For example - hwo do you want to handle ladder? Once Blizzard stops delivering new ladder maps? This game also doesn't have a LAN support, so either there are servers on or off. There are at least 2 very good reasons for doom and gloom with this news. Third being the fact, that Blizzard is the sole reason the scene is semi-vital. And I don't see any Ubik to save it once Blizzard steps away. Edit> I don't expect Blizz to turn off the servers any time soon, but I can see how they stop supporting the ladder once they step away from the e-sport scene. Or - they slow it down.
I'd be curious how portable w3champions would be to sc2. WC3: Reforged released without a ladder so the community has stepped in to make the game what it should have been. The wc3 team recently added dedicated host bots throughout the world that allow for "fair" cross region play.
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On January 25 2021 02:28 deacon.frost wrote:Well, questionable.
For example - hwo do you want to handle ladder? Once Blizzard stops delivering new ladder maps? This game also doesn't have a LAN support, so either there are servers on or off. There are at least 2 very good reasons for doom and gloom with this news. Third being the fact, that Blizzard is the sole reason the scene is semi-vital. And I don't see any Ubik to save it once Blizzard steps away.
Edit> I don't expect Blizz to turn off the servers any time soon, but I can see how they stop supporting the ladder once they step away from the e-sport scene. Or - they slow it down. Are you serious with this post? Do you REALLY think Blizazrd will stop having ingame ladders? Stop maintaining the servers?
Even 20+ year old Blizzard games still work out of the box, why would this change for SC2???
Even 5 years from now, you will be able to log into SC2 and play it like you can today.
As much as Blizzard fucks up things, stuff like this is 100% certain. Ladder maps and maintenance patches can easily be done by a small group of people.
Holy shit man, this doesn't mean SC2 is going to get turned off soon...
The only problem I see right now is for SC:R. That game still needs a lot of attention until it can reach a stable state where mini patches from time to time suffice.
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Mexico2170 Posts
This explains why Sc2 has been broken FOR MORE THAN A MONTH. And it still kinda broken.
And I mean all the issues with people being unable to play ladder, or co-op, or watch replays, or see their match history. It was broken for so long because there's no oe working on it anymore.
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On January 25 2021 06:08 [Phantom] wrote:
This explains why Sc2 has been broken FOR MORE THAN A MONTH. And it still kinda broken.
And I mean all the issues with people being unable to play ladder, or co-op, or watch replays, or see their match history. It was broken for so long because there's no oe working on it anymore.
Those problems have been fixed for a couple weeks now
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On January 25 2021 03:58 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2021 02:28 deacon.frost wrote:Well, questionable.
For example - hwo do you want to handle ladder? Once Blizzard stops delivering new ladder maps? This game also doesn't have a LAN support, so either there are servers on or off. There are at least 2 very good reasons for doom and gloom with this news. Third being the fact, that Blizzard is the sole reason the scene is semi-vital. And I don't see any Ubik to save it once Blizzard steps away.
Edit> I don't expect Blizz to turn off the servers any time soon, but I can see how they stop supporting the ladder once they step away from the e-sport scene. Or - they slow it down. Are you serious with this post? Do you REALLY think Blizazrd will stop having ingame ladders? Stop maintaining the servers? Even 20+ year old Blizzard games still work out of the box, why would this change for SC2??? Even 5 years from now, you will be able to log into SC2 and play it like you can today. As much as Blizzard fucks up things, stuff like this is 100% certain. Ladder maps and maintenance patches can easily be done by a small group of people. Holy shit man, this doesn't mean SC2 is going to get turned off soon... The only problem I see right now is for SC:R. That game still needs a lot of attention until it can reach a stable state where mini patches from time to time suffice.
You can say that about anything in the current game, that it can be done by a small group of people. Yet, Blizzard stopped developing. So yeah, I actually believe they will leave the ladder in a stale state without any map updates thus screwing the community.
When they turn off the servers is a question to debate. As I said I am not expecting it any time soon, but the issue is there's no other option while BW has other options.
It is not 100 % certain. As much as Blizzard and certainity I lost all hopes to this new Blizzard.
Several years ago you would be 100 % certain that they won't lure Diablo fans to the Blizzcon for them to admire a mobile game. And yet it happen. Do I need to continue?
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On January 25 2021 06:16 deacon.frost wrote:
You can say that about anything in the current game, that it can be done by a small group of people. Yet, Blizzard stopped developing.
No they didn't. They will just not develop any further new content. Who cares, the game has enough content there is. Fixing stuff here and there is all they need to do.
On January 25 2021 06:16 deacon.frost wrote:
So yeah, I actually believe they will leave the ladder in a stale state without any map updates thus screwing the community. Nah they would never do that. It takes almost no effort to maintain the ladder.
On January 25 2021 06:16 deacon.frost wrote:
When they turn off the servers is a question to debate. As I said I am not expecting it any time soon, but the issue is there's no other option while BW has other options. If you really think this then you have no idea. 25 year old games didn't have their servers turned off, why would they do that with SC2??!
On January 25 2021 06:16 deacon.frost wrote:
It is not 100 % certain. As much as Blizzard and certainity I lost all hopes to this new Blizzard. Yes it is... you'd know if you actually followed Blizzard.On January 25 2021 06:16 deacon.frost wrote:
Several years ago you would be 100 % certain that they won't lure Diablo fans to the Blizzcon for them to admire a mobile game. And yet it happen. Do I need to continue? Again, what kind of conclusion is this ? Them fucking up a release or misjudging what their playerbase wanted has nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard always keeps all of their productes, no matter how old, receiving support.
Look at Diablo 3, that game is in maintenance mode for a while now and they still mix up new ladder content and some other changes here and there, albeit seldomly.
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On January 25 2021 02:28 deacon.frost wrote:
hwo do you want to handle ladder? Once Blizzard stops delivering new ladder maps?
You clearly need a dev team to do that. And they stoped making maps for like 5-6 years now? They are all community designed. Blizzard just picked the ones they liked (and failed every time). So i actually glad they finally got their hands off this game. I really hope they gonna stop making balance patches as well. The meta is gonna settle at last! Wohoo! Just keep the servers up and that's it. Thanks and bb, blizz.
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On January 25 2021 03:58 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2021 02:28 deacon.frost wrote:Well, questionable.
For example - hwo do you want to handle ladder? Once Blizzard stops delivering new ladder maps? This game also doesn't have a LAN support, so either there are servers on or off. There are at least 2 very good reasons for doom and gloom with this news. Third being the fact, that Blizzard is the sole reason the scene is semi-vital. And I don't see any Ubik to save it once Blizzard steps away.
Edit> I don't expect Blizz to turn off the servers any time soon, but I can see how they stop supporting the ladder once they step away from the e-sport scene. Or - they slow it down. Are you serious with this post? Do you REALLY think Blizazrd will stop having ingame ladders? Stop maintaining the servers? Even 20+ year old Blizzard games still work out of the box, why would this change for SC2??? Even 5 years from now, you will be able to log into SC2 and play it like you can today. As much as Blizzard fucks up things, stuff like this is 100% certain. Ladder maps and maintenance patches can easily be done by a small group of people. Holy shit man, this doesn't mean SC2 is going to get turned off soon... The only problem I see right now is for SC:R. That game still needs a lot of attention until it can reach a stable state where mini patches from time to time suffice.
WC3 Classic edition does not work out of the box anymore. Additionally ladder and profiles for WC3 have been gone since they moved it to bnet2.0. It has been almost a full year now that WC3 ladder is down. So yes it is possible to happen to SC2 as well in the far future. They will decide SC2 isn't really making us any money, let's make a new project and call it Starcraft 2 Rejuvenation and then a year later SC2 will be gutted and broken.
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On January 25 2021 15:03 cha0 wrote:WC3 Classic edition does not work out of the box anymore. Additionally ladder and profiles for WC3 have been gone since they moved it to bnet2.0. It has been almost a full year now that WC3 ladder is down. So yes it is possible to happen to SC2 as well in the far future. They will decide SC2 isn't really making us any money, let's make a new project and call it Starcraft 2 Rejuvenation and then a year later SC2 will be gutted and broken. Stop trolling, the only reason WC3:R replaced the original one was that Blizzard thought that the original one was now obsolete. They didn't know that the game would be broken for so long.
Btw, they didn't remove the old WC3, they just removed the installation files so every WC3 original installation is now a WC3:R with old gfx-mode only.
SC2 won't be remade any time soon, it is still a modern game.
The amount of stupidity on these boards baffles me sometimes.
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It could be nice if the new studio did an interview at Blizzconline, but that is probably too much to ask for SC/HotS/WC3:R. This would probably ease the fears a little. Especially, if someone in team 1 joined the studio and it isn't just bunch of people keeping the servers running, but someone that knows the engine and internal tools in some extend so that they should be able to run everything as expected.
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On January 25 2021 06:08 [Phantom] wrote:
This explains why Sc2 has been broken FOR MORE THAN A MONTH. And it still kinda broken.
And I mean all the issues with people being unable to play ladder, or co-op, or watch replays, or see their match history. It was broken for so long because there's no oe working on it anymore.
This was for a few days but it was fixed over a week ago.
Looking at Heroes, which they kinda completely stopped caring about, it still goes on with ladder, minor patches and so on. That's why I am not worried at all about SC2
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it's just a shame the game ended on this crappy patch there is now. 2018 blizzcon sc2 was peak sc2.
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On January 25 2021 20:02 gargona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2021 19:59 Harris1st wrote:On January 25 2021 06:08 [Phantom] wrote:
This explains why Sc2 has been broken FOR MORE THAN A MONTH. And it still kinda broken.
And I mean all the issues with people being unable to play ladder, or co-op, or watch replays, or see their match history. It was broken for so long because there's no oe working on it anymore. This was for a few days but it was fixed over a week ago. Looking at Heroes, which they kinda completely stopped caring about, it still goes on with ladder, minor patches and so on. That's why I am not worried at all about SC2 Adding new heroes, new events, balance patches="stopped caring about"? What? What else are they supposed to do? Revamp the system every couple of month?
My point exactly. They pulled all esports funding and pulled like 90% of the dev team/ support team and it is still going strong. Haven't played in a while so I don't know where balance is
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