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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
August 28 2020 06:08 GMT
#21
On August 27 2020 22:08 Elentos wrote:
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On August 27 2020 22:05 freelifeffs wrote:
it is blizzards fault. normally, when you release a new esports game, you shut down esports for the old installment. they shouldve just ended support and forbidden prize money tournaments for broodwar at the time they released sc2. maybe 1 year after sc2 was released to allow for a smooth transition.

It wasn't in the first year but ultimately this is practically what Blizzard did as they made KeSPA switch to SC2. Yeah spoiler alert, this was not well received in Korea and it didn't help SC2 in the long term.


Problem is everything was so forced. There was a lot of resentment, understandably so.
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Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)2446 Posts
August 28 2020 06:09 GMT
#22
On August 28 2020 11:02 elluel wrote:
Who?

no need to be an ass
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2722 Posts
August 28 2020 06:15 GMT
#23
Is blaming Blizzard the TL version of "THANKS OBAMA!" ?
very illegal and very uncool
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
August 28 2020 08:03 GMT
#24
On August 28 2020 15:15 argonautdice wrote:
Is blaming Blizzard the TL version of "THANKS OBAMA!" ?

Certainly seems it.
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2104 Posts
August 28 2020 09:01 GMT
#25
On August 28 2020 15:15 argonautdice wrote:
Is blaming Blizzard the TL version of "THANKS OBAMA!" ?



Anyway, the state of the game might ultimately be related to Blizzard, in that they developed a game that did not have mainstream appeal, but blaming them for their treatment of the scene is sort of silly. It might not seem it to some people because Blizz is an EVIL corporation, but a lot of what was done for Starcraft by Blizz was through acts of charity and care for the franchise.

Players retiring is almost completely due to the lack of a B-scene. Truly, there is no B-scene right now. I'm pretty sure half the money players are getting is either charity or from shady sources. And that's just how it goes with most 10 year old games, you know. There really aren't that many games that have had even this resilience. Starcrafts and Melee, are some of the only ones to have had a scene its entire lifetime. And at this point, neither of those scenes is particularly profitable. Like, it's more of a break-even kind of scene. No one's getting rich over here.
Duke_nk
Profile Joined April 2020
38 Posts
August 28 2020 10:34 GMT
#26
On August 28 2020 18:01 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2020 15:15 argonautdice wrote:
Is blaming Blizzard the TL version of "THANKS OBAMA!" ?

https://youtu.be/j5zeMtEcQoI

Anyway, the state of the game might ultimately be related to Blizzard, in that they developed a game that did not have mainstream appeal, but blaming them for their treatment of the scene is sort of silly. It might not seem it to some people because Blizz is an EVIL corporation, but a lot of what was done for Starcraft by Blizz was through acts of charity and care for the franchise.

Players retiring is almost completely due to the lack of a B-scene. Truly, there is no B-scene right now. I'm pretty sure half the money players are getting is either charity or from shady sources. And that's just how it goes with most 10 year old games, you know. There really aren't that many games that have had even this resilience. Starcrafts and Melee, are some of the only ones to have had a scene its entire lifetime. And at this point, neither of those scenes is particularly profitable. Like, it's more of a break-even kind of scene. No one's getting rich over here.


Now take away the blizzard funding for tournaments and get rid of the 100k ASL fees. Now each ASL has 100k more in price money and there would be no GSL or WCS anymore. SC2 isn't sustainable. BW is.
skdsk
Profile Joined February 2019
138 Posts
August 28 2020 13:54 GMT
#27
On August 28 2020 19:34 Duke_nk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2020 18:01 Blargh wrote:
On August 28 2020 15:15 argonautdice wrote:
Is blaming Blizzard the TL version of "THANKS OBAMA!" ?

https://youtu.be/j5zeMtEcQoI

Anyway, the state of the game might ultimately be related to Blizzard, in that they developed a game that did not have mainstream appeal, but blaming them for their treatment of the scene is sort of silly. It might not seem it to some people because Blizz is an EVIL corporation, but a lot of what was done for Starcraft by Blizz was through acts of charity and care for the franchise.

Players retiring is almost completely due to the lack of a B-scene. Truly, there is no B-scene right now. I'm pretty sure half the money players are getting is either charity or from shady sources. And that's just how it goes with most 10 year old games, you know. There really aren't that many games that have had even this resilience. Starcrafts and Melee, are some of the only ones to have had a scene its entire lifetime. And at this point, neither of those scenes is particularly profitable. Like, it's more of a break-even kind of scene. No one's getting rich over here.


Now take away the blizzard funding for tournaments and get rid of the 100k ASL fees. Now each ASL has 100k more in price money and there would be no GSL or WCS anymore. SC2 isn't sustainable. BW is.

there was wc3 scene without korea or blizzard money, guess what? blizzard literally closed down every tournament and took control of everything in sc2, ofcourse right now sc2 is dependant on them..
MinixTheNerd
Profile Joined July 2019
200 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-28 14:15:35
August 28 2020 14:13 GMT
#28
it is interesting to see these low profile players decide to retire at this moment, when competition is getting light and ideal for a relatively unknown player to make their debut. This in addition to the TY Stats interview does seem to confirm the very apparent growing problem with Korean sc2. In that there simply is no new blood.

Part of me wonders if it is better to abandon GSL next year and just double down on ASL, maybe expand that to a 32 player tournament with a code A type format to supplement. I would personally rather see that, than just slowly watch sc2 code S shrink to an even smaller player base.

As for the korean players who do want to continue playing sc2, I guess China is probably the best place for any big future tournament?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
August 28 2020 16:13 GMT
#29
On August 28 2020 19:34 Duke_nk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2020 18:01 Blargh wrote:
On August 28 2020 15:15 argonautdice wrote:
Is blaming Blizzard the TL version of "THANKS OBAMA!" ?

https://youtu.be/j5zeMtEcQoI

Anyway, the state of the game might ultimately be related to Blizzard, in that they developed a game that did not have mainstream appeal, but blaming them for their treatment of the scene is sort of silly. It might not seem it to some people because Blizz is an EVIL corporation, but a lot of what was done for Starcraft by Blizz was through acts of charity and care for the franchise.

Players retiring is almost completely due to the lack of a B-scene. Truly, there is no B-scene right now. I'm pretty sure half the money players are getting is either charity or from shady sources. And that's just how it goes with most 10 year old games, you know. There really aren't that many games that have had even this resilience. Starcrafts and Melee, are some of the only ones to have had a scene its entire lifetime. And at this point, neither of those scenes is particularly profitable. Like, it's more of a break-even kind of scene. No one's getting rich over here.


Now take away the blizzard funding for tournaments and get rid of the 100k ASL fees. Now each ASL has 100k more in price money and there would be no GSL or WCS anymore. SC2 isn't sustainable. BW is.

Of Blizz’s 3 eSports RTS games, they’re all sustainable to varying degrees at the pro level, just not universally.

BW has its enduring popularity in Korea, WC3 has China and SC2’s is more globally spread but isn’t particularly popular in Korea, which is no doubt tied to the first observation there.

eSports is a tough nut to crack, for any game to have this longevity and popularity is rather damn rare. Just League and Valve’s duo’s even greater popularity can make Blizz’s titles seem small.

Even Quake, a phenomenal core game and the granddaddy of competitive shooters of its day has fallen off the map hugely, trends change and to have people playing basically the same game for 10 or 20+ as in SC’s iterations is pretty good going.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-28 16:25:43
August 28 2020 16:25 GMT
#30
On August 27 2020 20:13 deacon.frost wrote:
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On August 27 2020 17:39 Durnuu wrote:
Do not worry, my friends, for the prophet Apollo foresaw this and uttered those words
"The korean scene is healthy as fuck"

Whut? Is there a source to that or is that some meme?

You can find this on TL but it's very very old so not sure what to look like. But yeah Appollo said something along those line a while ago
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4300 Posts
August 28 2020 17:13 GMT
#31
sad times
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4300 Posts
August 28 2020 17:14 GMT
#32
On August 28 2020 19:34 Duke_nk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2020 18:01 Blargh wrote:
On August 28 2020 15:15 argonautdice wrote:
Is blaming Blizzard the TL version of "THANKS OBAMA!" ?

https://youtu.be/j5zeMtEcQoI

Anyway, the state of the game might ultimately be related to Blizzard, in that they developed a game that did not have mainstream appeal, but blaming them for their treatment of the scene is sort of silly. It might not seem it to some people because Blizz is an EVIL corporation, but a lot of what was done for Starcraft by Blizz was through acts of charity and care for the franchise.

Players retiring is almost completely due to the lack of a B-scene. Truly, there is no B-scene right now. I'm pretty sure half the money players are getting is either charity or from shady sources. And that's just how it goes with most 10 year old games, you know. There really aren't that many games that have had even this resilience. Starcrafts and Melee, are some of the only ones to have had a scene its entire lifetime. And at this point, neither of those scenes is particularly profitable. Like, it's more of a break-even kind of scene. No one's getting rich over here.


Now take away the blizzard funding for tournaments and get rid of the 100k ASL fees. Now each ASL has 100k more in price money and there would be no GSL or WCS anymore. SC2 isn't sustainable. BW is.

hear, hear
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
August 28 2020 23:26 GMT
#33
Its unfortunate to see players retire, I wish Rookie the best in his future endeavors.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
August 29 2020 10:03 GMT
#34
Never heard of him
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Mettis
Profile Joined June 2019
84 Posts
August 29 2020 11:30 GMT
#35
Shame, theres so few Koreans competing in GSL qualifiers now.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 30 2020 08:41 GMT
#36
Some have to use every chance they get to be dramatic and shout "sc2 is dying".

He was not succesful so he moves on with his life outside of sc2. Good for him, nothing sad about it.
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elluel
Profile Joined October 2019
62 Posts
August 30 2020 16:57 GMT
#37
On August 28 2020 15:09 Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2020 11:02 elluel wrote:
Who?

no need to be an ass

I've never heard of him, that's all. Wasn't trying to be rude.
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
August 30 2020 20:52 GMT
#38
On August 31 2020 01:57 elluel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2020 15:09 Scarlett` wrote:
On August 28 2020 11:02 elluel wrote:
Who?

no need to be an ass

I've never heard of him, that's all. Wasn't trying to be rude.

Clearly were
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
August 31 2020 00:58 GMT
#39
On August 31 2020 01:57 elluel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2020 15:09 Scarlett` wrote:
On August 28 2020 11:02 elluel wrote:
Who?

no need to be an ass

I've never heard of him, that's all. Wasn't trying to be rude.

I mean neither had I but the thread gave some info on who he was and didn’t feel the need to comment such a thing.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
September 01 2020 14:59 GMT
#40
On August 31 2020 01:57 elluel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2020 15:09 Scarlett` wrote:
On August 28 2020 11:02 elluel wrote:
Who?

no need to be an ass

I've never heard of him, that's all. Wasn't trying to be rude.

There's a link to liquipedia in the first post if you are honestly wondering, but I doubt that was your intent
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