The Code S Season 3 qualifiers took place over August 18th-19th, finalizing the list of 28 players who will participate in the last Code S tournament of 2020
The star of the qualifiers was ByuN, who defeated Hurricane, Dream, and Cure to earn his GSL return after a two year hiatus. Though ByuN's military service will not officially conclude for a few more weeks, it appears that some allowance was made for his participation in the qualifier.
Other old school players such as Golden, ForGG, and CoCa also participated in the qualifiers, but were unable to make the cut. Overall, the qualifier saw six Code S spots change hands from Season 2, with first-time Code S player Spear joining a number of returning veterans.
The 24 players from the qualifiers will join the four seeded players (Rogue, Stats, TY, DongRaeGu) in Code S Season 3. The schedule and round-of-24 groups will be announced at a later date.
Dear: Military service Impact: Military service Prince: Did not qualify Super: Did not qualify Scarlett: Did not participate (visa expiring) Astrea: Did not participate (visa expired)
Awww, a shame Prince couldn't make it back in. I was excited to see what he'd bring this season. But what is that I see? A Korean Terran name that I don't recognize?! GASP! Who is this kid!! oooooh I can't wait to see what he brings!
On August 20 2020 04:22 Vindicare605 wrote: Awww, a shame Prince couldn't make it back in. I was excited to see what he'd bring this season. But what is that I see? A Korean Terran name that I don't recognize?! GASP! Who is this kid!! oooooh I can't wait to see what he brings!
Do you mean Spear? He was in Code A in 2012 (playing as FXO.Tree) so he's not quite a kid
On August 20 2020 07:59 CicadaSC wrote: people are so sad prince didnt make it as if he was gonna be the next goat but imo he wasnt even the most impressive newcomer last season
On August 20 2020 07:59 CicadaSC wrote: people are so sad prince didnt make it as if he was gonna be the next goat but imo he wasnt even the most impressive newcomer last season
But still impressive. His play showed a lot of potential.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
Innovation and Dark both had to play days 1 and 2 to advance. Dark lost to SoS and Taeja on day one and Inno barely scraped through day 2 coming out as the winner of the losers bracket and showing what seems to be a real vulnerability to Protoss. Interesting times.
I think the competition is getting tougher again in Korea.
With the following players - who are partly well known veterans and partly (more or less) newcomers who took maps of established Code S players - one could form some kind of amateur league: - Rookie (kicked Curious and Percival out and won a map vs Dark) - Curious (currently not impressive, but we know his potential) - Natural (won a map vs Special and kicked Curious, TOP/kiwian and Creator out of the LB) - DRGling (won a map vs Innovation) - Super (is still legit - won maps vs Trap and Special) - ForGG (it's ForGG! And he won a map vs Dream) - Coca (beat Patience, won a map vs Zest) - Percival (kicked Bomber out, shows potential in online tournaments) - Prince (beat Spear, shows potential in online tournaments, had impressive showing in GSL S2)
honorable mentions (didn't perform at the qualifier, but I'm convinced that they have the potential to do better if given more opportunities): - Supernova - Chance - Golden - kiwian/TOP
So, if we include the "honorable" mentions" we could create a bracket with 13 players which would probably turn out quite entertaining and probably still well above NA competition skillwise. Also it would be an exciting mix of old- and newschool styles, of veteran players trying to revive their glory and newcomers trying to prove themselves as worthy competitors.
Top 4 of such a bracket could be seeded into Code S of next season. If we take away the Ro16 seed for the semifinalists of Code S we could have a full Ro32 with 8 groups again.
The obvious counter argument would be, we just could as well let qualify more players via qualifiers to achieve the same. But this would enhance qualification via bracket luck because some qualifier brackets would be too thinned out (we had this problem before) and also the idea of an amateur league is not only to provide a way to qualify for Code S but also to give those amateurs some exposure and livestage experience. Also the amateur league could bridge the gap between the seasons and provide us with more pro content over the year since stuff hasn't to be finished before Blizzcon anymore.
On August 20 2020 16:19 AssyrianKing wrote: Are these new players getting proper coaching ? I want to see them do well
I highly doubt that. I don't know how connected they are with other pro players. Since some of them are on teams together with some other notable players, there could be some proper training via custom maps. But I doubt that this is organized by some team coach but rather depends on the individual initiative of the players.
But to through out some interesting facts: Bomber, Prince, Rookie and DRGling are all on Team GP Chance, Percival and Spear are on Team NV, which also had Bunny in it's roster. If Bunny trains with the rookies, this could turn out as a terran talent factory, since Spear managed to qualify.
Since most of the best performing amateurs are coming from those teams one could argue that they benefit from being on those teams.
On August 20 2020 16:19 AssyrianKing wrote: Are these new players getting proper coaching ? I want to see them do well
I highly doubt that. I don't know how connected they are with other pro players. Since some of them are on teams together with some other notable players, there could be some proper training via custom maps. But I doubt that this is organized by some team coach but rather depends on the individual initiative of the players.
But to through out some interesting facts: Bomber, Prince, Rookie and DRGling are all on Team GP Chance, Percival and Spear are on Team NV, which also had Bunny in it's roster. If Bunny trains with the rookies, this could turn out as a terran talent factory, since Spear managed to qualify.
Since most of the best performing amateurs are coming from those teams one could argue that they benefit from being on those teams.
Spear isn't exactly a rookie, considering he was in code A 8 years ago...
I'm a bit worried about Special, according to the Tasteless podcast, his initial visa has also expired and is being extended on a monthly basis which can only be done x number of times. I hope he doesn't need to leave the country during his GSL run. :-/
On August 20 2020 16:19 AssyrianKing wrote: Are these new players getting proper coaching ? I want to see them do well
I highly doubt that. I don't know how connected they are with other pro players. Since some of them are on teams together with some other notable players, there could be some proper training via custom maps. But I doubt that this is organized by some team coach but rather depends on the individual initiative of the players.
But to through out some interesting facts: Bomber, Prince, Rookie and DRGling are all on Team GP Chance, Percival and Spear are on Team NV, which also had Bunny in it's roster. If Bunny trains with the rookies, this could turn out as a terran talent factory, since Spear managed to qualify.
Since most of the best performing amateurs are coming from those teams one could argue that they benefit from being on those teams.
Spear isn't exactly a rookie, considering he was in code A 8 years ago...
You're right. I didn't mean to refer to Spear as a rookie here but as an amateur - I communicated this a bit unclear.
On August 20 2020 19:00 xongnox wrote: Anyone knows where to find the VODs, if any ? No luck so far.
As usual the qualifiers weren't streamed. But CreightonOlsen will cast the qualifying matches (bracket finals of each group) from replay this evening (6pm CEST). I don't know if their will be VODs afterwards.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
Let's say it was a very very stupid thing two kids did in plainsight. no malicious intent at all, just plain stupidity.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
I don't think it's sinister at all. I've conceded to people plenty of time in Magic to allow them to advance in events, or intentionally drawn so both of us could do better in an event. More than anything, it's proof that the two guys just aren't too smart and probably should have sent those messages over Kakao Talk instead of in game chat.
As much as I like Special, specially after tasteless podcast episode, and Scarlett. I really want to see more room to midlevel koreans to reach code S. Curious, Coca Spear, Prince.... those are old and new names I would love to see competing again.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
I don't think it's sinister at all. I've conceded to people plenty of time in Magic to allow them to advance in events, or intentionally drawn so both of us could do better in an event. More than anything, it's proof that the two guys just aren't too smart and probably should have sent those messages over Kakao Talk instead of in game chat.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
I don't think it's sinister at all. I've conceded to people plenty of time in Magic to allow them to advance in events, or intentionally drawn so both of us could do better in an event. More than anything, it's proof that the two guys just aren't too smart and probably should have sent those messages over Kakao Talk instead of in game chat.
Not sure why you would do the first?
If you're either already qualified, or knocked out already, and like the guy? So there is nothing on the line for you, and you don't give a shit whether you win or lose, why not just intentionally lose to help your friend out?
E: and yes, I know the answer is "for the integrity of the competition". But the integrity of the competition is an esoteric something that is hard to make players care about when their friend needs the win and they don't.
On August 20 2020 19:00 xongnox wrote: Anyone knows where to find the VODs, if any ? No luck so far.
As usual the qualifiers weren't streamed. But CreightonOlsen will cast the qualifying matches (bracket finals of each group) from replay this evening (6pm CEST). I don't know if their will be VODs afterwards.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
Thanks for the link. Somehow I missed that post when it was first created. Normally, I read everything that has the "Waxangel" seal of quality!
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
I don't think it's sinister at all. I've conceded to people plenty of time in Magic to allow them to advance in events, or intentionally drawn so both of us could do better in an event. More than anything, it's proof that the two guys just aren't too smart and probably should have sent those messages over Kakao Talk instead of in game chat.
Not sure why you would do the first?
in most magic tournaments the main part of a tournament is Swiss (you play x number of rounds each against people with similar record at that point), and then cut to a bracket for top8; So if you are already guaranteed to be top8 before even playing the last round or two you can draw or concede to help your friends when the only thing it would affect is your seed into the top8 bracket;; this is common practice in mtg and not really frowned upon at all
Nowadays they are putting heavier importance on seeds (such as higher seed into bracket puts you farther in such as how proleague playoff worked in sc2) partially to dicourage this
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
I don't think it's sinister at all. I've conceded to people plenty of time in Magic to allow them to advance in events, or intentionally drawn so both of us could do better in an event. More than anything, it's proof that the two guys just aren't too smart and probably should have sent those messages over Kakao Talk instead of in game chat.
Not sure why you would do the first?
in most magic tournaments the main part of a tournament is Swiss (you play x number of rounds each against people with similar record at that point), and then cut to a bracket for top8; So if you are already guaranteed to be top8 before even playing the last round or two you can draw or concede to help your friends when the only thing it would affect is your seed into the top8 bracket;; this is common practice in mtg and not really frowned upon at all
Nowadays they are putting heavier importance on seeds (such as higher seed into bracket puts you farther in such as how proleague playoff worked in sc2) partially to dicourage this
As a Yugioh player this is still wild to me. You'd get banned by Konami for doing this at Tier 2 or higher events
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
WORSE THAN LIFE
It is only relevant to those throwing around "Zero tolerance"
Parting just announced his military service begins on October 8th unless he can push it back which he doubts since he's already pushed it back last year.
Edit: parting said he will just forfeit if the delay isn't granted.
On August 21 2020 08:27 Aesto wrote: Creator always looks so crushed after he inevitably loses, I can't watch it any more. He'd be better off just going to the military :/
Would be sick if he could make it deep.
I don’t think I’ve ever loved a build as much as Creator’s Double Forge back in the day, or wanted a guy to do well for like 9 years after based off one build.
On August 21 2020 08:09 mikedupp wrote: When would GSL end this season?
Parting just announced his military service begins on October 8th unless he can push it back which he doubts since he's already pushed it back last year.
Edit: parting said he will just forfeit if the delay isn't granted.
On August 21 2020 08:09 mikedupp wrote: When would GSL end this season?
Parting just announced his military service begins on October 8th unless he can push it back which he doubts since he's already pushed it back last year.
Edit: parting said he will just forfeit if the delay isn't granted.
Parting's going to the military already??
Yeah, he got the call right before he was to play Trap in DH play ins. So he got loaded drunk and depressed. He thought he wouldn't have to go for 2 more years.
On August 21 2020 08:27 Aesto wrote: Creator always looks so crushed after he inevitably loses, I can't watch it any more. He'd be better off just going to the military :/
Well, I agree that he looks crushed, but i prefer to have people in sc2 that shows emotions and actually care for the game and the results. He is toss, but he is much more human than many of the top Terrans for example ^^...
On August 21 2020 08:09 mikedupp wrote: When would GSL end this season?
Parting just announced his military service begins on October 8th unless he can push it back which he doubts since he's already pushed it back last year.
Edit: parting said he will just forfeit if the delay isn't granted.
On August 21 2020 08:27 Aesto wrote: Creator always looks so crushed after he inevitably loses, I can't watch it any more. He'd be better off just going to the military :/
Would be sick if he could make it deep.
I don’t think I’ve ever loved a build as much as Creator’s Double Forge back in the day, or wanted a guy to do well for like 9 years after based off one build.
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
oh man, now I read up on what happened between byun and coca I am sad xD like, they are just helping each other.... When a tournament doesn't really matter......... compare to GSL xD sad man.
For some reason I always associated Coca as a really bad match fixer like Savior and Life, but apparently that's very different. Thanks for keeping the record straight Waxangel!
On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall.
He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another.
A much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn
IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
I remember there was a giant contingent of people who were VERY UPSET about this at the time and I was shouted down for saying their punishments should be reduced. It really got blown way out of proportion and stunted the hell out of Coca's career which had looked ready to take off at the time.
The "Match fixing" label has hung onto the incident ever since and so it gets lumped in with all kinds of super nefarious shit that happened before and after when really it wasn't like that at all D:
It seems like Group F is a group of death with Parting will do whatever he can so that he may win the championship title before going to military service against scary player covered under a current low tier player status, Byun. Patience and Bunny are so scary as well.
EPT
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ByuN, who defeated Hurricane, Dream, and Cure to earn his GSL return after a two year hiatus. Though ByuN's military service will not officially conclude for a few more weeks, it appears that some allowance was made for his participation in the qualifier.
: ByuN, Bomber, Spear
: Creator, Hurricane, NightMare,
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When a tournament doesn't really matter......... compare to GSL xD sad man.
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