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ByuN and CoCa in ESV Weekly: A summary

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Waxangel
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Last Edited: 2017-06-06 13:59:00
June 06 2017 13:37 GMT
#1
A 2011 incident involving (T)ByuN and (Z)CoCa is sometimes brought up in match-fixing discussions, but is often told with inaccurate or incomplete information. For clarification, here’s a summary of what happened:

The ESV TV Korean Weekly

The ESV TV Korean Weekly was an online tournament held during 2011-2012. The competition built up a loyal following and good reputation, which led to it striking a deal with GomTV to award a GSL Code A spot to the winner of the Season 1 Finals #3—an invitational event for the top finishers in the preceding weekly tournaments (#9 through #12). Finals #3 was streamed during October 19-25, 2011, with Squirtle emerging as champion.

A few weeks later in November, ByuN and CoCa faced off in the early rounds of the ESV Weekly #15. The previous agreement with ESV TV and GomTV was not continued, and there were no longer any stakes related to the GSL.

At that time, CoCa had his Code S Ro16 group coming up in a couple of days, where he would face Mvp, jjakji, and Gumiho. ByuN had been eliminated a month earlier in the qualifiers, and was out of GSL for the rest of the year.

The first game of their best-of-three series began with the two players chattering in English, showing their familiarity with one another. The game ended in a win for CoCa.

[Diamond, the head of ESV TV, provided me with the replays at the time of the incident. The chats logs have been taken from the replay files. The replays can be downloaded here.]

+ Show Spoiler [Game 1 chat log (raw)] +
I	00:19	슬레이어스코카	ALL	3판2선?
I 00:24 NEXExcrement ALL english please

I 00:32 슬레이어스코카 ALL 3pan 2sun?
I 00:37 NEXExcrement ALL english please

I 00:44 NEXExcrement ALL bo3?
I 00:47 슬레이어스코카 ALL oo
I 00:48 NEXExcrement ALL ok bo3
I 00:54 NEXExcrement ALL understan?
I 00:56 슬레이어스코카 ALL bonobono
I 01:00 NEXExcrement ALL oh
I 01:01 NEXExcrement ALL nada?
I 01:06 슬레이어스코카 ALL oh
I 01:10 슬레이어스코카 ALL bonono nada?
I 01:14 NEXExcrement ALL ok
I 01:15 슬레이어스코카 ALL thankyou
I 01:16 NEXExcrement ALL shut up

I 01:23 슬레이어스코카 ALL ?
I 01:25 NEXExcrement ALL ?
I 01:26 NEXExcrement ALL why
I 01:29 슬레이어스코카 ALL bonobono toss
I 01:32 NEXExcrement ALL ah
I 01:33 NEXExcrement ALL bonobo ?

I 01:39 슬레이어스코카 ALL oo
I 01:40 NEXExcrement ALL is dosirak

I 01:52 슬레이어스코카 ALL oh
I 01:55 NEXExcrement ALL thx

I 02:03 NEXExcrement ALL you
I 02:07 슬레이어스코카 ALL ggangpe
I 02:09 NEXExcrement ALL handsome
I 02:14 슬레이어스코카 ALL you too
I 02:18 NEXExcrement ALL shut up
I 02:20 슬레이어스코카 ALL :D
I 02:21 NEXExcrement ALL fucking
I 02:22 NEXExcrement ALL :(
I 02:28 NEXExcrement ALL i kill you
I 02:28 NEXExcrement ALL gg

I 02:46 NEXExcrement ALL ssi bal sae ggi

I 02:55 슬레이어스코카 ALL terran sagi
I 03:00 NEXExcrement ALL zerg too

I 03:48 슬레이어스코카 ALL ;;

I 03:55 슬레이어스코카 ALL u bad man

I 14:14 NEXExcrement ALL ww


The "Fix"

The controversy occurred in game 2. CoCa outplayed ByuN again, and was put in a situation where a 2-0 series victory was 100% certain. However, through the course of the game (chat logs below), CoCa had told ByuN that he was only participating in the tournament in order to practice. All of CoCa’s Terran teammates on SlayerS were either away at the GSTAR event, or occupied with preparations for their own matches, leaving CoCa without practice partners for his upcoming GSL group. ByuN told CoCa to forfeit the match so they could play an additional, third game. CoCa took up the offer, and conceded a game he had wrapped up.

Translated chat log (슬레이어스코카: CoCa, NEXExcrement: ByuN)
I	00:15	슬레이어스코카	ALL	hyung
I 00:18 슬레이어스코카 ALL you should advance
I 00:21 NEXExcrement ALL f*** off
I 00:26 NEXExcrement ALL but man
I 00:27 NEXExcrement ALL why does that get busted?
I 00:30 NEXExcrement ALL ugh
I 00:31 슬레이어스코카 ALL thought at first
I 00:35 NEXExcrement ALL I saw it but
I 00:36 NEXExcrement ALL I couldn’t stop it
I 00:36 슬레이어스코카 ALL it was roach-bane all-in

I 00:45 NEXExcrement ALL to think it was roaches
I 00:48 슬레이어스코카 ALL LOL
I 00:49 NEXExcrement ALL you bastard

I 02:09 슬레이어스코카 ALL ;;
I 02:10 NEXExcrement ALL this
I 02:11 NEXExcrement ALL is so fun
I 02:15 슬레이어스코카 ALL ah
I 02:15 슬레이어스코카 ALL so OP
I 02:16 슬레이어스코카 ALL SCVs
I 02:17 NEXExcrement ALL ?
I 02:17 NEXExcrement ALL zerg is the one
I 02:19 NEXExcrement ALL that does it the most -_-

I 02:30 슬레이어스코카 ALL ...;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

I 02:44 NEXExcrement ALL f***, didn’t you tell me to advance?
I 02:46 NEXExcrement ALL playing so well

I 02:53 슬레이어스코카 ALL practice
I 02:53 슬레이어스코카 ALL practice
I 02:54 슬레이어스코카 ALL gotta practice
I 02:58 슬레이어스코카 ALL 3 terran group, fk
I 03:02 NEXExcrement ALL yikes
I 03:03 NEXExcrement ALL who?
I 03:06 슬레이어스코카 ALL you don’t know?
I 03:07 NEXExcrement ALL nope
I 03:08 슬레이어스코카 ALL ;;

I 03:15 슬레이어스코카 ALL the king, jjakji, and one animal
I 03:18 NEXExcrement ALL the animal
I 03:19 NEXExcrement ALL who’s that?
I 03:21 슬레이어스코카 ALL Gumiho
I 03:23 NEXExcrement ALL LOL
I 03:25 NEXExcrement ALL that’s f***ing tough
I 03:26 NEXExcrement ALL really

I 03:35 슬레이어스코카 ALL I came here because there aren’t any terrans to practice against

I 03:42 NEXExcrement ALL alright
I 03:43 NEXExcrement ALL then just forfeit and leave
I 03:44 슬레이어스코카 ALL ^^
I 03:44 NEXExcrement ALL protoss is up next
I 03:45 NEXExcrement ALL haha
I 03:46 슬레이어스코카 ALL LOL

I 03:55 NEXExcrement ALL ternarn
I 03:56 NEXExcrement ALL terran
I 03:57 NEXExcrement ALL there’s a lot on your team
I 03:59 NEXExcrement ALL they all have a match?
I 03:59 슬레이어스코카 ALL they’re all
I 04:00 슬레이어스코카 ALL at GSTAR
I 04:01 슬레이어스코카 ALL and
I 04:02 슬레이어스코카 ALL have matches
I 04:04 NEXExcrement ALL damn
I 04:07 슬레이어스코카 ALL Lots hyung
I 04:08 슬레이어스코카 ALL went home;
I 04:08 슬레이어스코카 ALL he’s donezo
I 04:14 NEXExcrement ALL roster turnover
I 04:14 슬레이어스코카 ALL finished
I 04:15 NEXExcrement ALL is that severe?
I 04:16 NEXExcrement ALL LOL

I 04:31 NEXExcrement ALL your maps
I 04:32 NEXExcrement ALL daybreak
I 04:33 NEXExcrement ALL is it in?
I 04:35 슬레이어스코카 ALL no
I 04:38 NEXExcrement ALL what are your maps?

I 04:47 슬레이어스코카 ALL beach, antiga, dual sight, TDA
I 04:50 NEXExcrement ALL seems decent -_-

I 04:58 슬레이어스코카 ALL yeah
I 04:59 슬레이어스코카 ALL it’s alright

I 05:05 NEXExcrement ALL only antiga
I 05:07 NEXExcrement ALL a bit iffy

I 05:18 슬레이어스코카 ALL I dont like TDA either

I 05:24 NEXExcrement ALL that’s just you
I 05:25 NEXExcrement ALL LOL
I 05:30 슬레이어스코카 ALL is it?

I 18:07 NEXExcrement ALL asdsdkalkhjbvasdjk
I 18:12 슬레이어스코카 ALL trap card!

I 18:18 NEXExcrement ALL I got dragged around too much, ugh
I 18:24 슬레이어스코카 ALL planetary fortress
I 18:25 슬레이어스코카 ALL gotta put one down
I 18:25 슬레이어스코카 ALL at your third
I 18:28 NEXExcrement ALL no
I 18:29 NEXExcrement ALL not that
I 18:29 NEXExcrement ALL mutas
I 18:32 슬레이어스코카 ALL oh

I 18:52 NEXExcrement ALL leave, f***
I 18:53 NEXExcrement ALL f***, f***
I 18:56 슬레이어스코카 ALL I forfeit
I 18:59 NEXExcrement ALL lets play
I 19:00 NEXExcrement ALL up to game 3
I 19:02 슬레이어스코카 ALL kk
I 19:05 슬레이어스코카 ALL gg


+ Show Spoiler [Game 2 chat log (raw)] +

I 00:15 슬레이어스코카 ALL 형이
I 00:18 슬레이어스코카 ALL 올라가세염
I 00:21 NEXExcrement ALL joggaseyo
I 00:26 NEXExcrement ALL 아근데
I 00:27 NEXExcrement ALL 왜뚤려
I 00:30 NEXExcrement ALL 아오
I 00:31 슬레이어스코카 ALL 처음에
I 00:35 NEXExcrement ALL 봣는데 눌러보질
I 00:36 NEXExcrement ALL 못햇당
I 00:36 슬레이어스코카 ALL 바킈맹덕쇼부

I 00:45 NEXExcrement ALL 바퀴일줄이야
I 00:48 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅋㅋ
I 00:49 NEXExcrement ALL 망할넘

I 02:09 슬레이어스코카 ALL ;;
I 02:10 NEXExcrement ALL 이거
I 02:11 NEXExcrement ALL 넘잼써
I 02:15 슬레이어스코카 ALL 아
I 02:15 슬레이어스코카 ALL 사기네
I 02:16 슬레이어스코카 ALL 에시비
I 02:17 NEXExcrement ALL ?
I 02:17 NEXExcrement ALL 저그가
I 02:19 NEXExcrement ALL 젤마니하는건데 ㅡㅡ

I 02:30 슬레이어스코카 ALL ...;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

I 02:44 NEXExcrement ALL 씨발올라가라면서
I 02:46 NEXExcrement ALL 개쩀

I 02:53 슬레이어스코카 ALL 연습
I 02:53 슬레이어스코카 ALL 연습
I 02:54 슬레이어스코카 ALL 해야져
I 02:58 슬레이어스코카 ALL 3테조임 ㅅㅂ
I 03:02 NEXExcrement ALL 헐
I 03:03 NEXExcrement ALL 누군데
I 03:06 슬레이어스코카 ALL 모름?
I 03:07 NEXExcrement ALL ㅇ
I 03:08 슬레이어스코카 ALL ;;

I 03:15 슬레이어스코카 ALL 왕 짝지 동물하나
I 03:18 NEXExcrement ALL 동물
I 03:19 NEXExcrement ALL 누구
I 03:21 슬레이어스코카 ALL 구미호
I 03:23 NEXExcrement ALL ㅋ
I 03:25 NEXExcrement ALL 존나빡세네
I 03:26 NEXExcrement ALL 지낮

I 03:35 슬레이어스코카 ALL 연습할테란없어서 여기서 하려고온거

I 03:42 NEXExcrement ALL 알스니간
I 03:43 NEXExcrement ALL rㅣ권하고나가라
I 03:44 슬레이어스코카 ALL ^^
I 03:44 NEXExcrement ALL 다음토스다
I 03:45 NEXExcrement ALL ㅎㅎ
I 03:46 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅋㅋ

I 03:55 NEXExcrement ALL ㅌ레ㅏㄴ
I 03:56 NEXExcrement ALL 테란
I 03:57 NEXExcrement ALL 많잖아팀에
I 03:59 NEXExcrement ALL 다경기잇나?
I 03:59 슬레이어스코카 ALL 다
I 04:00 슬레이어스코카 ALL 지스타
I 04:01 슬레이어스코카 ALL 하고
I 04:02 슬레이어스코카 ALL 경기잇슴
I 04:04 NEXExcrement ALL ㄷㄷ
I 04:07 슬레이어스코카 ALL 라츠형은
I 04:08 슬레이어스코카 ALL 집에감;
I 04:08 슬레이어스코카 ALL 공니댐
I 04:14 NEXExcrement ALL 물갈이가
I 04:14 슬레이어스코카 ALL 고인댐
I 04:15 NEXExcrement ALL 글케심한가
I 04:16 NEXExcrement ALL ㅋㅋ

I 04:31 NEXExcrement ALL 맵
I 04:32 NEXExcrement ALL 여명
I 04:33 NEXExcrement ALL 잇어?
I 04:35 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㄴ
I 04:38 NEXExcrement ALL 맵먼데

I 04:47 슬레이어스코카 ALL 해안 안티가 듀얼 탈다
I 04:50 NEXExcrement ALL 괜찮네 ㅡㅡ

I 04:58 슬레이어스코카 ALL 그나마
I 04:59 슬레이어스코카 ALL 갠찮졉

I 05:05 NEXExcrement ALL 야ㅏㄴ티가만
I 05:07 NEXExcrement ALL 좀아니네

I 05:18 슬레이어스코카 ALL 전 탈다도 싫은디

I 05:24 NEXExcrement ALL ㄴ;ㅣ가시러하는거잖아
I 05:25 NEXExcrement ALL ㅋㅋ
I 05:30 슬레이어스코카 ALL 그런가

I 18:07 NEXExcrement ALL ㅅㅄㅂ
I 18:12 슬레이어스코카 ALL 함정카드!

I 18:18 NEXExcrement ALL 너무휘둘렷어샹
I 18:24 슬레이어스코카 ALL 행요
I 18:25 슬레이어스코카 ALL 박아야ㅗ함
I 18:25 슬레이어스코카 ALL 3멀\
I 18:28 NEXExcrement ALL 아니
I 18:29 NEXExcrement ALL 그거말고
I 18:29 NEXExcrement ALL 뮤탈
I 18:32 슬레이어스코카 ALL 아

I 18:52 NEXExcrement ALL 나가시발
I 18:53 NEXExcrement ALL 시발시발
I 18:56 슬레이어스코카 ALL 기권
I 18:59 NEXExcrement ALL 3경기까지
I 19:00 NEXExcrement ALL 하자
I 19:02 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅇㅇ
I 19:05 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅈㅈ


Game 3 saw ByuN and CoCa chat throughout the match about what strategies Gumiho might use before CoCa conceded the match.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 3 chat log (raw)] +
I	00:16	NEXExcrement	ALL	고병재
I 00:17 NEXExcrement ALL 메카
I 00:17 NEXExcrement ALL 할듯
I 00:19 슬레이어스코카 ALL 흠
I 00:23 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅋㅋ
I 00:24 슬레이어스코카 ALL 근데
I 00:25 슬레이어스코카 ALL 제가직접
I 00:27 슬레이어스코카 ALL 고병재한테
I 00:32 슬레이어스코카 ALL 메카닉만 연습한다고말함
I 00:34 NEXExcrement ALL ㅋㅋ
I 00:39 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅋㅋ
I 00:44 NEXExcrement ALL 근데
I 00:45 NEXExcrement ALL 바요닉도
I 00:47 NEXExcrement ALL 잘하지안나
I 00:48 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅇ.ㅇ
I 00:52 NEXExcrement ALL 야
I 00:52 NEXExcrement ALL 그
I 00:54 슬레이어스코카 ALL 다잘함;;
I 00:54 NEXExcrement ALL 안녕형대
I 00:54 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅅㅂ
I 00:55 NEXExcrement ALL 정종현
I 00:56 NEXExcrement ALL 봣음?
I 00:57 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅇㅇ
I 00:59 NEXExcrement ALL 그거3경기
I 01:00 NEXExcrement ALL 금속빌드
I 01:00 NEXExcrement ALL 써
I 01:01 NEXExcrement ALL 진짜좋아
I 01:06 슬레이어스코카 ALL 3경기?
I 01:07 NEXExcrement ALL ㅇㅇ
I 01:08 NEXExcrement ALL 링맹
I 01:12 NEXExcrement ALL 22업
I 01:16 슬레이어스코카 ALL 머지
I 01:17 슬레이어스코카 ALL 바야겟다
I 01:18 NEXExcrement ALL 봐봐
I 01:20 NEXExcrement ALL 지긴햇는데
I 01:21 NEXExcrement ALL 이건
I 01:22 NEXExcrement ALL 다봐서
I 01:25 NEXExcrement ALL 다
I 01:26 NEXExcrement ALL 봣는데도
I 01:27 NEXExcrement ALL 뚫렷어
I 01:32 NEXExcrement ALL 대박
I 01:33 NEXExcrement ALL 좋음
I 01:35 NEXExcrement ALL 진짜
I 01:37 NEXExcrement ALL 쩔음
I 01:38 NEXExcrement ALL 1개쩐다씨발
I 01:40 슬레이어스코카 ALL 22 링맹?
I 01:42 NEXExcrement ALL ㅇㅇ
I 01:45 슬레이어스코카 ALL 아아
I 01:46 슬레이어스코카 ALL 기억낫다
I 01:47 슬레이어스코카 ALL ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
I 01:50 슬레이어스코카 ALL 그게 통함?
I 01:52 NEXExcrement ALL ㅇㅇ
I 01:54 NEXExcrement ALL 개쩐다니깐
I 01:55 NEXExcrement ALL 탱크
I 01:57 NEXExcrement ALL 10개잇어도
I 01:58 NEXExcrement ALL 뚠다
I 02:02 슬레이어스코카 ALL ;;
I 02:05 NEXExcrement ALL 쨰는애한테
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Repercussions

The ESV Weekly was streamed on delay via replays, some days after the actual matches. CoCa and ByuN submitted the replays from their series—with all of their chat included—and their conversation was soon streamed to the entire StarCraft II community.

In Korea, their actions were met with enormous outrage. The 2010 match-fixing scandal—where several star players were revealed to have received money to intentionally lose matches in major tournaments—was still fresh in everyone's mind. Even though the tournament stakes were so low ($100 for first place), and even though personal gain did not appear to be the motive, the image of two progamers conspiring to alter the result of a match was too abhorrent to let off lightly.

As a result of the ensuing uproar, CoCa forfeited his Code S spot, and was punished by his team Slayers by being kicked from the team house and suspended from all competition indefinitely (this ended up being until March of 2012, around GSL Season 2). ByuN, with no GSL spot to forfeit, was suspended from competition by Prime for a similar duration, while retaining his spot in the team house.

In comparison, ESV TV gave the two a slap on the wrist. The two were given a stern scolding for not taking competition seriously, and suspended from ESV tournaments until the end of the year.

Later: MarineKing's Commentary

In March 2012, ByuN returned from his suspension to contribute to a Prime victory in GSTL. MarineKing took the opportunity to present his version of the events and defend ByuN (at the time of the scandal, no one was interested in hearing context or excuses).

Excerpts from MarineKing's Twitter:

"ByuN and CoCa had been teammates together previously, and they were close friends who didn't care about their age difference. I remember that ByuN would seek out only CoCa when preparing for vs Zerg. Not a single memory from that day is forgotten; they're fresh in my head even now

...[introduction of the ESV Weekly]...

Looking back on my memories, the two were in practice games with each other before their tournament match. I recall that it was practice for CoCa, and I remember thinking that they must be really close when I saw ByuN helping despite it being the weekend.

The ICCUP [note: the ESV TV's Weekly's original sponsor/name] bracket was announced in the meanwhile, and it happened that both of them had registered for the tournament, so both of them participated. Ironically, they were matched up against each other in the first round.

The ICCUP tournament is different from other tournaments in that it doesn't have referees, and it doesn't stream all the games. From start to finish, the players run the tournament. It's a weekly tournament, so ICCUP felt like a kind of joint "ranking match" between many different teams.

Looking at the circumstances, I think this is why the two players didn't realize it was a tournament. CoCa had to go eat after the match, and was in a situation where it would be difficult to play the next round. It was his mistake to take the series to a third game, just so he could practice one more game."


Conclusion & aftermath

Now that I've researched and presented the facts, I feel entitled to a brief spewing of my opinion.

TECHNICALLY, a form of "match-fixing" did occur between ByuN and CoCa. However, the circumstances and details of the ESV incident make it WILDY different from the major match-fixing scandals that involved criminal investigations. There are almost no circumstances in which the two incidents should be brought up in the same discussion, unless it is to make a very careful, well-explained, and nuanced point.

CoCa, an MLG runner-up and rising star in 2011, never recovered from the setback. He retired in 2014, with a top eight DreamHack finish as his best result after his suspension.

ByuN returned from his suspension to perform well for the rest of 2012, placing top four in the GSL. He disappeared from the Korean scene during 2014-2015 for unknown reasons, and returned in 2016 to become the BlizzCon champion.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
June 06 2017 13:38 GMT
#2
Thanks for the thread.
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woodedmicrobe9
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Finland18 Posts
June 06 2017 13:57 GMT
#3
Really interesting story
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Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
June 06 2017 14:14 GMT
#4
Eh it's just a pretty dumb thing to do... nothing big
FawxzTV
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Sweden178 Posts
June 06 2017 14:22 GMT
#5
Yeah really interesting. Also reminded me how much I used to like the weekly tournaments.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5588 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-06 14:37:11
June 06 2017 14:35 GMT
#6
"Boys will be boys..."

Such a shame CoCa didn't recover from this, he looked pretty promising at the time. That 2012 GSTL S2 performance was something, though!

On June 06 2017 23:22 FawxzTV wrote:
Yeah really interesting. Also reminded me how much I used to like the weekly tournaments.

Indeed, KSL team events in particular were really fun!
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Darkn3ssFallz
Profile Joined April 2013
Australia114 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-06 23:27:01
June 06 2017 23:26 GMT
#7
On June 06 2017 23:35 rotta wrote:
"Boys will be boys..."

Such a shame CoCa didn't recover from this, he looked pretty promising at the time. That 2012 GSTL S2 performance was something, though!


I blame the bowl cut for that.
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Fugz
Profile Joined November 2011
France1 Post
June 06 2017 23:33 GMT
#8
I am dumb, I've always thought it was the final and a spot in Code A was at stake... Never stopped me from loving CoCa but I feel revived
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Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
June 07 2017 00:03 GMT
#9
"Unkown reasons", except it was in relation to the matchfixing going on in Prime. Though Byun wasnt apart of that I am sure that the fact his team was involved in this is the reason he was on hiatus.
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
June 07 2017 00:22 GMT
#10
On June 07 2017 09:03 Dunmer wrote:
"Unkown reasons", except it was in relation to the matchfixing going on in Prime. Though Byun wasnt apart of that I am sure that the fact his team was involved in this is the reason he was on hiatus.


Without at least some proof you're just going to piss off Wax even further with an assumption like that.
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Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
June 07 2017 00:58 GMT
#11
I'm so glad that Wax decided to release this. So much misinformation can now finally be cleared up
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necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
June 07 2017 01:12 GMT
#12
in other words, it's forgivable to matchfix if the stakes aren't high.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 01:40:58
June 07 2017 01:37 GMT
#13
As a preface, I completely agree with Wax's spewed opinion at the end with regards to gravity of the situation. I thought and still think that it was a silly mistake by them and nothing more, and the punishment was probably excessive but understandable given the looming shadow of the Savior scandal.

With regards to the Code A spot, however, I think it's worth bearing in mind that the general understanding was that a Code A spot was "on the line" in the sense that the weeklies were qualifiers for the monthlies (anyone who claimed that specific weekly tournament had a Code A spot on the line was flat wrong, as you pointed out).
Season 1 Finals 3 was indeed the only tournament that gave out a Code A spot and it had already completed, like you said.

However, the announcement of the GOM TV partnership suggested (though, looking back, did not explicitly say) that it would be awarded for every monthly final from then on. Diamond made a comment in the thread that, to me, also implies it would be for the monthly finals to follow but because of the phrasing it is not entirely clear either. However, it is safe to say that plenty of people thought it meant from then on and being that no comments at the time of the announcement said otherwise, nor did any of the statements about the incident (Diamond even said in your linked scolding "In the meantime I will be looking at alternate formats for the Korean Weekly that will somehow separate Code A and S players from Code B", which, again, implies that a Code A spot being at stakes was relevant to some degree).

As you can see, I unfortunately do not have anything totally definitive to clear up the confusion beyond any doubt, but I think the evidence more or less proves that there was an understanding that a Code A spot was on the line via qualifying for the monthly tournament. Now, it's a little confusing looking back because none of these "monthly" tournaments happened after the Season 1 Finals 3 as they were scrapped for the Grand Prix, but I assume that was due to the aftermath of the incident. Given how promising the partnership for the monthly looked beforehand, I assume they had wanted to do more monthlies.

EDIT: Geez, I just checked and realized I haven't posted since the "Life arrested on match-fixing charges" thread. Man I miss the days of the players I was invested in being around :/
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 03:45:48
June 07 2017 03:35 GMT
#14
Thanks a ton for clarifying all of this, Wax.

Now hopefully diehard Life fanatics will stop making false equivalence fallacies between him and ByuN.
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