EPTSorry I’ve wanted it at every tournament since MLG experiment with FPV streams and it’s a fantastic addition to GSLs
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23745 Posts
Sorry I’ve wanted it at every tournament since MLG experiment with FPV streams and it’s a fantastic addition to GSLs | ||
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Russano
United States425 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6691 Posts
That's not even the occasional add or sth. It just watching countdown timers 50% of the time. Not sure if anything can be done there though. | ||
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DrunkenJedi
Germany173 Posts
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watchlulu
Germany473 Posts
On July 22 2020 14:45 Harris1st wrote: For me personally it's always too much downtime between games and especially between series. That's why I watch both streams mostly just vod so i can skip a lot. That's not even the occasional add or sth. It just watching countdown timers 50% of the time. Not sure if anything can be done there though. This is exactly my critique. At least show us recaps of games or something during the breaks so that I don't have to switch to something else, the music + timer combo was horrible. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
If I remember correctly, there were breaks even before the start of the very first game, two breaks between a series (before and after the interview), and every series begins was preceded by five minutes of discussion before the first game starts. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On July 22 2020 21:19 JustPassingBy wrote: I am very happy that ESL / DH took over, but I wish they would spend more time ingame and less time outside of games. If I remember correctly, there were breaks even before the start of the very first game, two breaks between a series (before and after the interview), and every series begins was preceded by five minutes of discussion before the first game starts. I m personally fine with discussion and analysis, but yeah, the downtime was indeed pretty damn long  I imagine they could easily do the discussion while setting everthing up for the game, so they don t need to have another break between the talking and the actual game... | ||
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
Also, I like the choice of ZombieGrub as a caster. She is one of the few female casters out there and she is very knowledgeable about the game. Showing the game cams of the players was really good too. Too bad it's not done more frequently. But it's great to see the expressions of the players as the game is played out. Hopefully, it can be done more frequently and not just at the semi-finals phase of the tournament. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On July 22 2020 03:12 dbRic1203 wrote: Not sure, how much insight he has, but acording to this, the schedule isn t realy a problem for Kr players: Would love to see more player interviews, even for the smaller, regional Tournaments, like Oceania or Taiwan. Yes, but 2 of the players in semis were in the Code S on THE SAME DAY. TY casting and Inno playing. Which is terrible terrible schedule. | ||
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Totoro1
25 Posts
Also, I would merge NA and LA regions to have a bigger and more competitive tournament. Currently, LA region was so boring with Special walking on everyone. | ||
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feardragon
United States970 Posts
On July 22 2020 08:38 Wombat_NI wrote: FIRST PERSON VIEWS YEAHHHH Sorry I’ve wanted it at every tournament since MLG experiment with FPV streams and it’s a fantastic addition to GSLs Hey! This is actually a really cool idea but doing this in a remote environment is next to impossible to actually expect. The only technically feasible way I can even imagine doing this is if there were two separate pc's that simply set to each player's camera as observers but you wouldn't actually capture mouse movement at all which is like 80% of the appeal for this. Remember that everyone is at home environments. If you wanted to do something like ask the players to set up a stream remember that has an impact on their frame rates. Some of these players don't have great internet so it may even cause more latency for them to play on top of the lowered frame rate. And even with that solution, streams will have an absolute minimum of 4-5 second delay(and possible 10-15 seconds) so your FPV would actually end up being significantly behind. As cool of a suggestion as this is, I'm going to guess it's kinda infeasible. On July 22 2020 11:07 Russano wrote: I remember one thing I absolutely hated - I think it was during some group stages with multiple streams. Rotterdam would spoil the results of what happened on other stream. I understand why he did it, but as someone who had every attention of going back and watching the other stream vod to get all the games, this ruined the experience a bit for me. I wouldn't mind an "update of the other stream's games" but it should be it's own specific segment, with a spoiler warning, and not just thrown in whenever a caster feels like it. Here's the thing, I sympathize that not everyone can watch both(or all 4) streams at once. It's not even that you're the minority for not being able to but remember that the majority of viewers either *can* watch multiple streams at once(even the mobile twitch app allows for squad stream viewing so long as you have the internet for it) or the people watching don't care enough to watch both streams. Ultimately for someone like Rotterdam, it's his job to paint the full picture for the event: that's what he's been hired to do. Things that happen in the other matches are important sometimes to the current ongoing match. For example, when we were toward the end of the group stage, the results of the other matches could change the requirements of what scoreline a player needed in the current match to advance. This paints a different context for that match. It's no longer about just winning because now even taking a single map can change the tide of things and create different expectations & meaning. Maybe a player will play safer knowing that they have to 2-0 their opponent or maybe a player knows they just need one map win so they'll throw out some crazy cheeses just to sneak one in. I think whenever Rotti brought up other matches, it usually added to things. The other thing I'll say is that while I know as a viewer(trust me I've been there) it feels like the casters talk FOREVER between breaks, the reality is we don't actually end up talking that much. If you look at the actual exchanges, we end up basically each saying about 3 things each. Usually the first thing is about the previous game, the second is a bit more open ended to our own choice depending on the situation, and the third thing is about the next upcoming series.There's not always a good chance to sneak in how meaningful the results of some other match was. Hope that made sense. I am happy people are posting feedback though and even the suggestions I don't agree with tend to come from a place I can understand. P.S. I'm not speaking on behalf of DreamHack or ESL or anything. I'm only speaking for myself. Also I got a new keyboard and I really wanted to type with it. | ||
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patermatrix
64 Posts
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Mettis
84 Posts
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ytherik
199 Posts
On July 23 2020 04:36 Mettis wrote: I made a feedback suggestion saying during downtime they should show old IEM/DH finals games a bit like the GSL highlights package during breaks there. Yeah that would be really cool. | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary367 Posts
I'd be happy with a simple thing as an id "EU: " / "KR: " / "NA-W: " / "NA-C: " / "NA-E: " inserted before map name on the UI to show it all game long. I always like to see Demu cast a match. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3326 Posts
 The worst part is just all the damn breaks. Even watching from vod's it's annoying and watching live, you kind of have to be doing something else as well or you're just sitting there chatting. I personally don't mind long breaks. But many small ones and ones that are just after game, when you're wanting reactions from the interviewee or the desk, saps excitement. Thx for this and I want more. | ||
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feardragon
United States970 Posts
On July 23 2020 05:04 ejozl wrote: Get Kaelaris He mentioned was asked but was unfortunately crazy unbelievably busy and couldn't do it. Fingers crossed it works out next season! | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On July 23 2020 01:20 feardragon wrote: Here's the thing, I sympathize that not everyone can watch both(or all 4) streams at once. It's not even that you're the minority for not being able to but remember that the majority of viewers either *can* watch multiple streams at once(even the mobile twitch app allows for squad stream viewing so long as you have the internet for it) or the people watching don't care enough to watch both streams. Ultimately for someone like Rotterdam, it's his job to paint the full picture for the event: that's what he's been hired to do. Things that happen in the other matches are important sometimes to the current ongoing match. For example, when we were toward the end of the group stage, the results of the other matches could change the requirements of what scoreline a player needed in the current match to advance. This paints a different context for that match. It's no longer about just winning because now even taking a single map can change the tide of things and create different expectations & meaning. Maybe a player will play safer knowing that they have to 2-0 their opponent or maybe a player knows they just need one map win so they'll throw out some crazy cheeses just to sneak one in. I think whenever Rotti brought up other matches, it usually added to things. I just wanted to say that I really appreciate Rotti and any other caster making an effort to keep the viewers up to date on all the matches that are running at the same time! On July 23 2020 01:20 feardragon wrote: The other thing I'll say is that while I know as a viewer(trust me I've been there) it feels like the casters talk FOREVER between breaks, the reality is we don't actually end up talking that much. If you look at the actual exchanges, we end up basically each saying about 3 things each. Usually the first thing is about the previous game, the second is a bit more open ended to our own choice depending on the situation, and the third thing is about the next upcoming series.There's not always a good chance to sneak in how meaningful the results of some other match was. Hope that made sense. I am happy people are posting feedback though and even the suggestions I don't agree with tend to come from a place I can understand. P.S. I'm not speaking on behalf of DreamHack or ESL or anything. I'm only speaking for myself. Also I got a new keyboard and I really wanted to type with it. I respectfully disagree. I just compared the last broadcasts of DH and GSL just to make sure that I am not imagining things, while DH allows the casters to talk for over 6 minutes before a series (followed by a 3 minute break) Tastosis won't even get 3 full minutes before the screen cuts ingame. One can argue whether 6 minutes is "forever" and my 5 minutes of research is not representative, but I don't think DH giving the casters significantly more screentime is a mere feeling on my part. Though what makes it feel worse in my opinion is DH keeping the camera on the casters while GSL is showing the studio and the players setting up. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On July 23 2020 05:20 JustPassingBy wrote: I just wanted to say that I really appreciate Rotti and any other caster making an effort to keep the viewers up to date on all the matches that are running at the same time! I respectfully disagree. I just compared the last broadcasts of DH and GSL just to make sure that I am not imagining things, while DH allows the casters to talk for over 6 minutes before a series (followed by a 3 minute break) Tastosis won't even get 3 full minutes before the screen cuts ingame. One can argue whether 6 minutes is "forever" and my 5 minutes of research is not representative, but I don't think DH giving the casters significantly more screentime is a mere feeling on my part. Though what makes it feel worse in my opinion is DH keeping the camera on the casters while GSL is showing the studio and the players setting up. Well there is obviously quote a difference between online and Offline Produktion. Just getting the 5+ language casters, admins, observer, ... in the Lobby and checking everyone is there, nicht take some time for online events. Also there is no Studio to Show either. Break fehlt still to long, but the countdown part, the talking part was fine for me | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13959 Posts
On July 22 2020 06:30 col_jung wrote: I was curious about this one too. For a Kr vs EU match, one of them will always be at a latency disadvantage? For the finals of season finals they swapped between US West and Central, I assume something similar was done for whole season | ||
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