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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
July 21 2020 13:35 GMT
#1
DH SC2 Masters Summer is over and the organisers have created a survey to get feedback from the community:



The survey is here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/6YXJZSX

This seems like a good occasion to have an evaluation here on TL as well, about what was good with the tournament and what can be done better in the future.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 21 2020 15:38 GMT
#2
I think the most egregious thing is just the scheduling. Mainly the season finals getting put into the middle of the GSL Ro16. Every other issue I think just will be sorted out by gaining more experience and finding a groove.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 21 2020 16:33 GMT
#3
Done! It will be nice to add recaps of the previous days at the start of the show.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
July 21 2020 16:40 GMT
#4
On July 22 2020 00:38 Elentos wrote:
I think the most egregious thing is just the scheduling. Mainly the season finals getting put into the middle of the GSL Ro16. Every other issue I think just will be sorted out by gaining more experience and finding a groove.


I agree. And I would add that scheduling the matches so Koreans have to play in the middle of the night just does give a level playing field. When Katowice can start matches at noon CET, I don't see how the season finals can't at least be moved forward to 2 pm CET / 9 pm Korea. Even if it costs a few viewers in the beginning, imo it's really important to do everything to ensure that everyone has as close to even conditions as possible.

Scheduling the matches so that Koreans play as early as possible and Americas-players as late as possible would also be a good idea, instead of just following bracket order.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
July 21 2020 18:12 GMT
#5
Not sure, how much insight he has, but acording to this, the schedule isn t realy a problem for Kr players:

Would love to see more player interviews, even for the smaller, regional Tournaments, like Oceania or Taiwan.
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tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
July 21 2020 18:20 GMT
#6
On July 22 2020 03:12 dbRic1203 wrote:
Not sure, how much insight he has, but acording to this, the schedule isn t realy a problem for Kr players:
https://twitter.com/JonSnowSC2/status/1284857359693643777
Would love to see more player interviews, even for the smaller, regional Tournaments, like Oceania or Taiwan.

Not sure if serious.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
July 21 2020 18:44 GMT
#7
I think time zone was fine. The viewers are mostly NA and EU and these events can’t keep going without viewers. There are unfortunately not many KR viewers that would benefit from good KR times.
WedgeYBiggs
Profile Joined May 2011
Spain11 Posts
July 21 2020 18:56 GMT
#8
Do you think 11:30 pm (KST) is a good time for starting a tournament?
derty555
Profile Joined September 2017
27 Posts
July 21 2020 19:32 GMT
#9
There is no timezone where the 3 regions can play for hours :/ perhaps a small adjustment of 1-2 hours early but not much else can be done
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
July 21 2020 19:56 GMT
#10
It was a great tournament. I loved how tight the scheduling was without more than a few days of pause between the series. The biggest problem I think was the lag which took away from the enjoyment of some of the games. But how do you fix that, other than hosting offline tournaments?
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AzBozz
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany518 Posts
July 21 2020 20:01 GMT
#11
i loved the whole event. the only thing i would change is to dont run two Ro16 groups at the same time. if its about the time zone let them play at the same time and admins collect the replays and hand it to the casters spoilerfree. All the international casters could use the clean feed to cast the second group.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
July 21 2020 20:09 GMT
#12
On July 22 2020 03:12 dbRic1203 wrote:
Not sure, how much insight he has, but acording to this, the schedule isn t realy a problem for Kr players:
https://twitter.com/JonSnowSC2/status/1284857359693643777
Would love to see more player interviews, even for the smaller, regional Tournaments, like Oceania or Taiwan.


Huge if true. Am particularly impressed with the Korean players' ability to get out of bed, catch a quick bite and a shower, get to the Afreeca studio, set up their stuff, and be ready for the games in exactly 0 minutes.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
serendipitous
Profile Joined November 2017
Canada195 Posts
July 21 2020 20:50 GMT
#13
On July 22 2020 03:12 dbRic1203 wrote:
Not sure, how much insight he has, but acording to this, the schedule isn t realy a problem for Kr players:
https://twitter.com/JonSnowSC2/status/1284857359693643777
Would love to see more player interviews, even for the smaller, regional Tournaments, like Oceania or Taiwan.


Important to note that no matter your sleep schedule you'll play worse super late at night unless you have a condition that gives you an unusual circadian rhythm.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
July 21 2020 21:02 GMT
#14
My only complaint was that each game had no indication of which server it was being played on. I understand that behind the scenes the players decide the server for each game according to the default server cross-table, but as a viewer you have no idea which server was chosen unless the commentators randomly announced it.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-21 21:17:09
July 21 2020 21:16 GMT
#15
Something I forgot to mention in the survey - shame on me - was the scheduling of the EU masters groups. I think the constant switching between the round robin groups confused a ton of people.

To throw in something positive, I very much enjoyed the variety of casters we got to hear. Probably one of the advantages of an online based circuit that you can have a variety of people you don't have to fly in. But even then, in particular CatZ but also Demuslim and feardragon are people you often don't have casting in big events. And I thought that was cool cause everyone brings something different to the table.
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col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
July 21 2020 21:30 GMT
#16
On July 22 2020 06:02 Kinky wrote:
My only complaint was that each game had no indication of which server it was being played on. I understand that behind the scenes the players decide the server for each game according to the default server cross-table, but as a viewer you have no idea which server was chosen unless the commentators randomly announced it.


I was curious about this one too. For a Kr vs EU match, one of them will always be at a latency disadvantage?
Cinskywind1
Profile Joined October 2016
19 Posts
July 21 2020 22:16 GMT
#17
So many great games and thank you for all involved for putting on an amazing tournament in these difficult times, truly and amazing feat by all.

I think the only constructive feedback I could offer was the sheer volumes of games. With several weeks of play and two or more streams, it was very difficult to keep up as they were happening. The other thing, which is understandable, was countdown timers to games, which I understand are necessary but not a lot of fun to watch.

One thing I noticed a lot during casts were caster referring to amazing games played earlier in the series or even earlier in the day. Not sure if this would even be possible, but maybe compile a short top 10 or 5 series played list based on casters input/viewer poll before major events like finals? Maybe a “road to victory” series showing better games of the people about to play in finals?

It would be nice to highlight amazing back and forth games or great comebacks and give players who played their heart out for a series a little highlight. Even if it’s only a 1 min or 2 min list it could fill the place of the 2 min countdowns and give a little attention to the players who deserve it.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
July 21 2020 22:52 GMT
#18
Filled! Hopefully wasn’t too critical.
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TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
July 21 2020 22:59 GMT
#19
Glad to see ESL putting up a survey after the tournament. Community feedback is super important
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BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
July 21 2020 23:37 GMT
#20
they just need to try to add First Person View to each player a dedicated stream for that.
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