EPTSerral wins DreamHack Masters Summer Finals - Page 3
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
DreamHack would do good deed for the champion (and to Itself) if The Trophy would be the custom made DreamHack Trophy Shelf™ of Serral Caliber -series®. Great job from the casters. People cry about caster bias, but how anyone can be un-biased with Serral? The Goat. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Never seen Smix being so hot (in good, non-sexist sense of the word) and intelligent (while revealing the magnitude of her Serral fangirlism). Yes. I'm Serral fanboy, but these days those rare who aren't, are pretending, or just trolling. :D "It" must be look good! | ||
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Kitai
United States867 Posts
On July 23 2020 03:33 UnLarva wrote: Yes. I'm Serral fanboy, but these days those rare who aren't, are pretending, or just trolling. :D Just because someone is good (or even the best) doesn't mean you're a pretender or a troll if you're not a fanboy. I wasn't a fan of MVP for example, even though it's pretty much accepted that he was the greatest player of WoL. People can, and should, have different criteria for who they are fans of - it would be a pretty boring scene otherwise! | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 23 2020 03:33 UnLarva wrote: Yes. I'm Serral fanboy, but these days those rare who aren't, are pretending, or just trolling. :D "I'm right and everyone who disagrees is a liar or a troll." Serral fanboys are really living up to their name  | ||
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Kitai
United States867 Posts
On July 23 2020 14:15 pvsnp wrote: "I'm right and everyone who disagrees is a liar or a troll." Serral fanboys are really living up to their name You're stereotyping just as much as he is lol | ||
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serralfan18
99 Posts
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
You don t have to be a fanboy, to see, that he s amazingly good and has been the best Zerg in the world for the most part of the last 3 years. Still like other players more. | ||
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Totoro1
25 Posts
By comparison, in the broodlord-infestor era, we had so many zergs suddenly winning tournaments out of nowhere (Snipper, Roro, Vortix, etc.) That's not the case here. I don't see any zerg suddenly over-performing. It's actually the opposite, in the EU playoff, Raynor and Serral are the only Zergs who won against a player from another race. Dark was the only Zerg making it to the Playoff in GSL (probably because he had a relatively easy group) and lost 3-0 against TY. What Raynor and Serral are doing right now is quite amazing. Other Zergs (Solar, Rogue, Dark, Scarlet, DRG) are really struggling to imitate them. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland424 Posts
On July 24 2020 01:05 Totoro1 wrote: I don't understand why people are talking about Zerg imba. Serral and Raynor are literally the only two Zergs in the world who perform well. By comparison, in the broodlord-infestor era, we had so many zergs suddenly winning tournaments out of nowhere (Snipper, Roro, Vortix, etc.) That's not the case here. I don't see any zerg suddenly over-performing. It's actually the opposite, in the EU playoff, Raynor and Serral are the only Zergs who won against a player from another race. Dark was the only Zerg making it to the Playoff in GSL (probably because he had a relatively easy group) and lost 3-0 against TY. What Raynor and Serral are doing right now is quite amazing. Other Zergs (Solar, Rogue, Dark, Scarlet, DRG) are really struggling to imitate them. Indeed. Zerg is far from being imba right now. The thing with Serral is how he always amaze with his perfect timed scouting and game awerness. He always knows what's against him and when it comes. That's why how he has an edge against any player along with his perfect unit control and mechanics. Korean Zergs don't scout as much as him and try to overhelm in midgame. To say that Zerg imba because Serral won is freaking stupid. | ||
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JJH777
United States4376 Posts
On July 24 2020 01:05 Totoro1 wrote: I don't understand why people are talking about Zerg imba. Serral and Raynor are literally the only two Zergs in the world who perform well. By comparison, in the broodlord-infestor era, we had so many zergs suddenly winning tournaments out of nowhere (Snipper, Roro, Vortix, etc.) That's not the case here. I don't see any zerg suddenly over-performing. It's actually the opposite, in the EU playoff, Raynor and Serral are the only Zergs who won against a player from another race. Dark was the only Zerg making it to the Playoff in GSL (probably because he had a relatively easy group) and lost 3-0 against TY. What Raynor and Serral are doing right now is quite amazing. Other Zergs (Solar, Rogue, Dark, Scarlet, DRG) are really struggling to imitate them. Remind me who won the biggest prize pool so far this year again? That patch was also pretty much the same as the current one. If Rogue is motivated he can win GSL. I don't think Zerg is completely OP right now or anything but I do think it's the best race. ZvP is dramatically in favor of Zerg and TvZ is at best 50-50. | ||
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Totoro1
25 Posts
Remind me who won the biggest prize pool so far this year again? Aligulac shows: 5 Zergs (Rogue, Serral, Dark, Reynor and Solar), 4 Terrans (Maru, INnovation, TY, Cure) and 1 Protoss (Zest) in the top 10. If you look at top 20 (so we are less bias toward top-heavy tournaments, like Rogue living on his 150k win at Katowice) we get: 6 Protoss, 7 Zerg, 7 Terran. That's hardly a bias toward a specific race. I agree with you that Protoss is a bit weaker (more like hit or miss). But I'm not sure the Protoss problem is just a "balance issue" (in the sense that small changes to the race/maps would solve it). Even PvP is (and always has been, except when the mothership core was here) kind of broken. I feel Protoss is the only race for which blizzard hasn't really found the sweet spot yet and hopefully, it can improve in the future. | ||
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JJH777
United States4376 Posts
On July 24 2020 02:37 Totoro1 wrote: Aligulac shows: 5 Zergs (Rogue, Serral, Dark, Reynor and Solar), 4 Terrans (Maru, INnovation, TY, Cure) and 1 Protoss (Zest) in the top 10. If you look at top 20 (so we are less bias toward top-heavy tournaments, like Rogue living on his 150k win at Katowice) we get: 6 Protoss, 7 Zerg, 7 Terran. That's hardly a bias toward a specific race. I agree with you that Protoss is a bit weaker (more like hit or miss). But I'm not sure the Protoss problem is just a "balance issue" (in the sense that small changes to the race/maps would solve it). Even PvP is (and always has been, except when the mothership core was here) kind of broken. I feel Protoss is the only race for which blizzard hasn't really found the sweet spot yet and hopefully, it can improve in the future. The part you quoted wasn't a comment on balance. It was a comment on you saying the KR Zergs are worse than Serral/Reynor. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States648 Posts
On July 24 2020 04:29 JJH777 wrote: The part you quoted wasn't a comment on balance. It was a comment on you saying the KR Zergs are worse than Serral/Reynor. Even as a long-time die hard KR starcraft fanboy - I am forced to admit that Serral/Reynor are the best zergs in the world. | ||
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JJH777
United States4376 Posts
On July 24 2020 04:41 ThunderJunk wrote: Even as a long-time die hard KR starcraft fanboy - I am forced to admit that Serral/Reynor are the best zergs in the world. They're the current best absolutely. For Serral specifically he's even spent a sizable portion of time as the best in 2018 and 2019 as well. They haven't been the best all of this year though and the KR Zergs certainly aren't "struggling to imitate them". I disagree with the idea that they are the only Zergs doing well. Darks slump is unrelated to the current status of Zerg. Its unclear what's going on with him but I'm inclined to believe the wrist rumors. Rogue always takes it easy after winning $100k+. SoO won TSL5 which they were both in and always plays his own style. Even when a different style is blatantly OP. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland424 Posts
On July 24 2020 05:05 JJH777 wrote: They're the current best absolutely. For Serral specifically he's even spent a sizable portion of time as the best in 2018 and 2019 as well. They haven't been the best all of this year though and the KR Zergs certainly aren't "struggling to imitate them". I disagree with the idea that they are the only Zergs doing well. Darks slump is unrelated to the current status of Zerg. Its unclear what's going on with him but I'm inclined to believe the wrist rumors. Rogue always takes it easy after winning $100k+. SoO won TSL5 which they were both in and always plays his own style. Even when a different style is blatantly OP. Although Serral is the complete package. The best all rounded Zerg. Either Soo, or Dark can compete with how solid Serral is in every aspect of the game. And how he aproaches to it. Rogue is someone who can be compared with his attitude, but he is less consistant. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
This is a game design problem. On July 21 2020 11:49 zalem95 wrote: Amazing by Serral I never saw such a non-korean player be this consistent (not trying to start a debate here, it's just my personal opinion) but since this game started never seen something like Neeb or him. Stephano holds that crown for me. At a time when Starcraft had a bigger scene, a Pro-League and was ultra-competitive his accomplishments were stunning. He paved the way for Serral. And the fall of most of the big Korean pro teams leveled the playing field for foreigners. But the fact that Stephano could beat the best of the best in their prime was remarkable. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23745 Posts
On July 26 2020 00:31 BronzeKnee wrote: I think what makes Zerg so strong currently, is that they are "complete" and they have an answer to pretty much anything. Protoss has been doing all-ins against Zerg for so long because they lack answers to Zerg late game. Artosis and Tasteless discussed their fatigue at watching Protoss do Adept timings for months against Zerg during the GSL last night. I'm sure players would like other options too. This is a game design problem, not simply a "this unit is strategy is overpowered." Stephano holds that crown for me. At a time when Starcraft had a bigger scene, a Pro-League and was ultra-competitive his accomplishments were stunning. He paved the way for Serral. And the fall of most of the big Korean pro teams leveled the playing field. But the fact that Stephano could beat them was remarkable. He was never as relentlessly consistent as Serral is. Still a great talent and a great personality for the scene. The scene has contracted for sure, but if anything this makes it harder for Serral as he’s playing the real S class Koreans at every tournament, even something like HSC | ||
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sophiaaa
2 Posts
On July 21 2020 16:29 atchosvk wrote: Absolutely agree. Ravagers and buffed baneling have made it really hard for protoss to even consider fighting on an equal foot. Nothing has changed since the old Stephano's fast 200 roach killer move build. To me, having the possibility to stack that many larvas is also completely ridiculous. Ravagers solve the issue of range since mixing them in not only gets you a 6 range unit, it gets you Biles too. With no extra tech required. With good health and no pesky light or armored tags. Roach ravager is so cost efficient and in most situations Mod edit: (Weird link removed) doesn’t matter if you cant hit air. If you are doing a timing attack with Roach/rav you can literally do damage so fast, you can lose your whole army and be ahead. Like mass roach vs mutas or even vs banshees in some cases. Or you can mostly ignore his early air (phoenix, oracle to an extent, Liberator to an extent). Or you can just outrun it (BC, VR). Damage at home? You can build queens and spores which are superior in many ways to hydra and cost no gas. | ||
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