Held in the midst of a global pandemic, Dreamhack Masters Summer had to be an abnormal tournament. The entirety of the event was held online, games were played five days a week at an almost non-stop pace, and Korean players were invited to compete alongside international players in StarCraft II's "break region-lock in case of emergency" moment. Amid these unusual circumstances, StarCraft II fans would found the conclusion of the tournament, at least, to be quite familiar: Serral emerged triumphant over a field of the best players in the world and was crowned the champion.
While the Summer finals awarded a 'mere' $12,500 for first place, the list of Serral's opponents puts it up there with GSL vs. The World 2018/2019 and BlizzCon as one of his most impressive tournament runs. Taking down INnoVatioN in the group stage, both Code S finalists in TY and Cure in the playoffs, and then Trap in the finals, Serral left little doubt as to who is the best StarCraft II player at the moment.
Oddly enough, Serral's victory in the Masters Summer Finals ended his longest championship drought since he won his first major title back in 2018. Over seven months had passed since he had last won a Liquipedia premier-tier tournament, his last victory having come at HomeStory Cup XX in December of 2019. Serral had suffered through a noticeably dry spell in the first half of 2020, as he fell to Zest in the semifinals at IEM Katowice and was ZvZ'd out by Elazer and Reynor in the early rounds of TeamLiquid Starleague 5 (Serral did win two of the smaller Stay At HomeStory Cup events in 2020). Just a week prior to the DH Masters Summer Finals, he ended another tournament run without a title after losing 2-4 to his rival Reynor in the finals of Dreamhack Masters Europe. Yet, the vibe around Serral's DH Summer Finals win—the twelfth major title of his career—wasn't so much 'comeback.' There had been no collective overreaction to Serral's disappointing 2020—just a quiet wait for business to resume as usual.
The only thing leaving the championship feeling incomplete was that Serral couldn't directly avenge his loss to Reynor from the European finals. Reynor's run of fantastic form had continued during the initial rounds of the Summer Season Finals, as he defeated two of Korea's top Terrans in Maru (group stage) and INnoVation (quarterfinals). Unfortunately for the Italian Zerg, he ended up being merely a ZvP tripwire for Serral, alerting him to the threat of Trap.
A living, breathing, chrono-boosting paradox, Trap had flown into the finals under the radar despite being Korea's best all-around Protoss. Trap's run through the Season Finals had been somewhat muted, as he had benefited from one of the easier tournament paths—victories against Has and Clem in the group stage, and a 3-1 against HeroMarine in the quarterfinals. Given his reputation for having an Achilles' heel in PvZ, it seemed like his run would end against Reynor in the semifinals. Instead, the semis ended up being a cautionary tale against overconfidence, reminding Reynor that everyone's Drones still die in two Adept hits—even those of the reigning European champion. On the other side of the bracket, Serral advanced to the finals with a clean sweep over Cure (perhaps cosmic retribution for Cure's 3-2 win over Maru, yet again preventing the elusive Serral-Maru).
Trap actually drew first blood against Serral in the finals, pulling out a stylish Glaive-Adept into Disruptor drop build on Deathaura. Though Trap had already employed the strategy to take a map off Reynor in semis, simply knowing of the build wasn't enough for Serral to mount a proper defense. Game two on Submarine followed a much more typical Serral ZvP pattern, as he shut down Trap's early Oracles and Blink Stalker harassment. As per usual, Serral kept the snowball of his early economic advantage rolling until the end, overcoming Trap's excellent combat micro with sheer force of numbers.
An ongoing evolution of Serral's game has been the addition of all-ins and cheeses to his arsenal. The middle three games of the series demonstrated why Serral fans have both cheered and balked at this development. Cheesing certainly seemed like a needless risk in game three, as he won despite having his pool-first Zergling rush stopped easily by Trap. Some DT defense here, a Zergling runby there, and what do you know! Serral was back in the lead after his early-game mishap. After handling Trap's ground force with Roaches and Ravagers, Serral applied a bit of overkill to finish Trap off with Swarm Hosts.
On the other hand, game four on Ice and Chrome showed us why even a fantastic macro player like Serral is seduced by the siren song of going all-in. After stopping Trap's Dark Templar harassment, Serral halted Drone production to gear up for a big Roach-Zergling attack. Trap didn't seem to consider the possibility of such an attack from Serral at all, and gifted Serral the freest of free wins.
And it was back to failing with cheese again in game five, as Trap calmly shutdown Serral's speedling flood with a precise, flawless defense (Serral later said he was inspired by DongRaeGu's success with the build in the GSL). Unlike the game on Submarine, Trap played out his lead far more cleanly, finishing Serral off with an Archon and Immortal supported force.
Serral then closed the series out on Golden Wall, the map with the most creative potential in the current pool. Unfortunately for Trap, he had already used his best Golden Wall specific strategy to beat Reynor earlier: A fast backdoor expansion with a proxy-Stargate. Rather than repeat the strategy, Trap opted to pull out two-base Glaive-Adept all-in against Serral. While even top Zergs like Serral occasionally lose after letting their concentration slip against Glaive-Adepts, more often they seem to scoff at such rudimentary tactics. And so it was this time around, as Serral calmly maintained his defenses, resisted the temptation of Droning up too hard, and tracked different groups of shades though his base. Trap couldn't make any headway against Serral's rock-solid defenses, and GG'd out after his desperation card of Disruptors failed to change the tide of battle.
After one of his poorest stretches of play—at least by his lofty standards—Serral once again stands unquestionably atop the SC2 world. With plenty of StarCraft II left to be played in 2020, we look forward to seeing how he'll defend his throne.
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.
My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.
Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.
I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
Great Performance of the "Finisher". Again. It's quite easy to underestimate Serrals win of the Summer Championship, because we get so used to his title wins. But as stated in the article, he defeated the créme de la créme of international and korean StarCraft. The Playoffs could well be a blizzcon bracket. I can't wait for the coming tournaments of 2020
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.
My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.
Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.
I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
Protoss does seem to rely disproportionately on the surprise factor.
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.
My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.
Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.
I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
Protoss does seem to rely disproportionately on the surprise factor.
Would somebody ever consider running a tournament casted from replay where participants also aren't allowed (honor code) to share replays? Would allow participants to retain the surprise factor.
Obviously, nobody would let a big tournament do this since it kills hype, but in a perfect world it would let us identify just how much Protoss relies on surprise/preparation.
Amazing by Serral I never saw such a non-korean player be this consistent (not trying to start a debate here, it's just my personal opinion) but since this game started never seen something like Neeb or him.
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.
My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.
Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.
I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
Protoss does seem to rely disproportionately on the surprise factor.
Would somebody ever consider running a tournament casted from replay where participants also aren't allowed (honor code) to share replays? Would allow participants to retain the surprise factor.
Obviously, nobody would let a big tournament do this since it kills hype, but in a perfect world it would let us identify just how much Protoss relies on surprise/preparation.
That would be really neat, kind of a Starcraft: Unboxed tournament, like it!
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.
My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.
Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.
I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
I agree. How many times in the past 3 years has a Protoss beaten two top tier Zergs back to back in a bracket.
To go one step further, has any non-zerg beaten Reynor and Serral in the same tournament?
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.
My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.
Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.
I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
I agree. How many times in the past 3 years has a Protoss beaten two top tier Zergs back to back in a bracket.
To go one step further, has any non-zerg beaten Reynor and Serral in the same tournament?
Zest beat Reynor in groups at Katowice, then Serral in the semis. But you could also attribute that to a large degree to Zest's glaive build that he did better than anyone else while it wasn't fully figured out yet.
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
Don't forget Classic! Beat Rogue and Dark in back to back weeks of Code S by prepping a different build for every single game. Also that BlizzCon game vs Rogue
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.
My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.
Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.
I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
I agree. How many times in the past 3 years has a Protoss beaten two top tier Zergs back to back in a bracket.
To go one step further, has any non-zerg beaten Reynor and Serral in the same tournament?
Zest beat Reynor in groups at Katowice, then Serral in the semis. But you could also attribute that to a large degree to Zest's glaive build that he did better than anyone else while it wasn't fully figured out yet.
also, it's one thing to try to react to it as he plays in your group—another thing entirely when you're Rogue and get to lose to it groups, and then process it for a few days before the finals :O
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
Would somebody ever consider running a tournament casted from replay where participants also aren't allowed (honor code) to share replays? Would allow participants to retain the surprise factor.
Obviously, nobody would let a big tournament do this since it kills hype, but in a perfect world it would let us identify just how much Protoss relies on surprise/preparation.
They did something similar in AoE 2, where every player was named after a hero of the campaigns. Loved the system, nobody knew who there were playing against. On the other side, in SC2 it is much less a point of style than in AoE2
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
On July 21 2020 16:06 kingism wrote: How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
Absolutely agree. Ravagers and buffed baneling have made it really hard for protoss to even consider fighting on an equal foot.
Nothing has changed since the old Stephano's fast 200 roach killer move build. To me, having the possibility to stack that many larvas is also completely ridiculous.
On July 21 2020 16:28 kingism wrote: How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.
My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.
Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.
I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
I agree. How many times in the past 3 years has a Protoss beaten two top tier Zergs back to back in a bracket.
To go one step further, has any non-zerg beaten Reynor and Serral in the same tournament?
Zest has already be mentionned. Stats beat Reynor, Serral and Solar at the assembly summers 2019. Heromarine beat them too in wcs eu winter 2019.
At this point, I feel like preventing the baneling of being a core unit in both match up would necessit a rework.
"Instead, the semis ended up being a cautionary tale against overconfidence, reminding Reynor that everyone's Drones still die in two Adept hits—even those of the reigning European champion."
On July 21 2020 21:03 ZugzwangSC wrote: "Instead, the semis ended up being a cautionary tale against overconfidence, reminding Reynor that everyone's Drones still die in two Adept hits—even those of the reigning European champion."
Great line! Terrific recap.
He wasn't overconfident, everybody was thinking what he said. This is pretty lame by Gemini.
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.
Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.
I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.
Don't forget Classic! Beat Rogue and Dark in back to back weeks of Code S by prepping a different build for every single game. Also that BlizzCon game vs Rogue
And it was bloody glorious.
That said Wombat’s Law still holds as it’s specifically for stacked weekend gauntlet tournies.
Imo Reynor was so busy sniping Serral that he didn't notice Trap sniping him. There was certain time when Korean pros realized Serral is no joke and started prepping for him. I think its time when this starts happening to Reynor too and thats not easy to handle. Saying "i might be the best right now" without being properly tested was a bit premature. However knowing Reynor's winner mentality, he's gonna be more cautious and generally stronger next time. I really liked this narrative. Maru though should have won those Cure games :/
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
On July 21 2020 16:06 kingism wrote: How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
Absolutely agree. Ravagers and buffed baneling have made it really hard for protoss to even consider fighting on an equal foot.
Nothing has changed since the old Stephano's fast 200 roach killer move build. To me, having the possibility to stack that many larvas is also completely ridiculous.
Ya that 5 year period where zerg never won a single code s was such a proof of the overpowered nature of zerg larva
The Best thing of whole tournament was Serral's interview after the final. With his relatively bad English he managed to point out few important things to hyperbolic rabid-consumerist SC2-fans, being both humble and hilarious (when he realized there are no room for trophy in his shelf - something he wasn't even expecting in the first place).
DreamHack would do good deed for the champion (and to Itself) if The Trophy would be the custom made DreamHack Trophy Shelf™ of Serral Caliber -series®.
Great job from the casters. People cry about caster bias, but how anyone can be un-biased with Serral? The Goat.
Yes. I'm Serral fanboy, but these days those rare who aren't, are pretending, or just trolling. :D
Just because someone is good (or even the best) doesn't mean you're a pretender or a troll if you're not a fanboy. I wasn't a fan of MVP for example, even though it's pretty much accepted that he was the greatest player of WoL. People can, and should, have different criteria for who they are fans of - it would be a pretty boring scene otherwise!
Everyone has their own criteria for GOAT, but it's hard to argue that Serral is the most consistent SC2 player ever. He makes a deep run every single tournament, if he goes down it's almost always on a decider map, and he wins a whole lot of finals.
I wouldn t realy discribe myselve as a Serral-fanboy either. You don t have to be a fanboy, to see, that he s amazingly good and has been the best Zerg in the world for the most part of the last 3 years. Still like other players more.
I don't understand why people are talking about Zerg imba. Serral and Raynor are literally the only two Zergs in the world who perform well.
By comparison, in the broodlord-infestor era, we had so many zergs suddenly winning tournaments out of nowhere (Snipper, Roro, Vortix, etc.) That's not the case here. I don't see any zerg suddenly over-performing. It's actually the opposite, in the EU playoff, Raynor and Serral are the only Zergs who won against a player from another race. Dark was the only Zerg making it to the Playoff in GSL (probably because he had a relatively easy group) and lost 3-0 against TY.
What Raynor and Serral are doing right now is quite amazing. Other Zergs (Solar, Rogue, Dark, Scarlet, DRG) are really struggling to imitate them.
On July 24 2020 01:05 Totoro1 wrote: I don't understand why people are talking about Zerg imba. Serral and Raynor are literally the only two Zergs in the world who perform well.
By comparison, in the broodlord-infestor era, we had so many zergs suddenly winning tournaments out of nowhere (Snipper, Roro, Vortix, etc.) That's not the case here. I don't see any zerg suddenly over-performing. It's actually the opposite, in the EU playoff, Raynor and Serral are the only Zergs who won against a player from another race. Dark was the only Zerg making it to the Playoff in GSL (probably because he had a relatively easy group) and lost 3-0 against TY.
What Raynor and Serral are doing right now is quite amazing. Other Zergs (Solar, Rogue, Dark, Scarlet, DRG) are really struggling to imitate them.
Indeed. Zerg is far from being imba right now.
The thing with Serral is how he always amaze with his perfect timed scouting and game awerness. He always knows what's against him and when it comes. That's why how he has an edge against any player along with his perfect unit control and mechanics. Korean Zergs don't scout as much as him and try to overhelm in midgame. To say that Zerg imba because Serral won is freaking stupid.
On July 24 2020 01:05 Totoro1 wrote: I don't understand why people are talking about Zerg imba. Serral and Raynor are literally the only two Zergs in the world who perform well.
By comparison, in the broodlord-infestor era, we had so many zergs suddenly winning tournaments out of nowhere (Snipper, Roro, Vortix, etc.) That's not the case here. I don't see any zerg suddenly over-performing. It's actually the opposite, in the EU playoff, Raynor and Serral are the only Zergs who won against a player from another race. Dark was the only Zerg making it to the Playoff in GSL (probably because he had a relatively easy group) and lost 3-0 against TY.
What Raynor and Serral are doing right now is quite amazing. Other Zergs (Solar, Rogue, Dark, Scarlet, DRG) are really struggling to imitate them.
Remind me who won the biggest prize pool so far this year again? That patch was also pretty much the same as the current one. If Rogue is motivated he can win GSL.
I don't think Zerg is completely OP right now or anything but I do think it's the best race. ZvP is dramatically in favor of Zerg and TvZ is at best 50-50.
Remind me who won the biggest prize pool so far this year again?
Aligulac shows: 5 Zergs (Rogue, Serral, Dark, Reynor and Solar), 4 Terrans (Maru, INnovation, TY, Cure) and 1 Protoss (Zest) in the top 10.
If you look at top 20 (so we are less bias toward top-heavy tournaments, like Rogue living on his 150k win at Katowice) we get: 6 Protoss, 7 Zerg, 7 Terran. That's hardly a bias toward a specific race.
I agree with you that Protoss is a bit weaker (more like hit or miss). But I'm not sure the Protoss problem is just a "balance issue" (in the sense that small changes to the race/maps would solve it). Even PvP is (and always has been, except when the mothership core was here) kind of broken. I feel Protoss is the only race for which blizzard hasn't really found the sweet spot yet and hopefully, it can improve in the future.
Remind me who won the biggest prize pool so far this year again?
Aligulac shows: 5 Zergs (Rogue, Serral, Dark, Reynor and Solar), 4 Terrans (Maru, INnovation, TY, Cure) and 1 Protoss (Zest) in the top 10.
If you look at top 20 (so we are less bias toward top-heavy tournaments, like Rogue living on his 150k win at Katowice) we get: 6 Protoss, 7 Zerg, 7 Terran. That's hardly a bias toward a specific race.
I agree with you that Protoss is a bit weaker (more like hit or miss). But I'm not sure the Protoss problem is just a "balance issue" (in the sense that small changes to the race/maps would solve it). Even PvP is (and always has been, except when the mothership core was here) kind of broken. I feel Protoss is the only race for which blizzard hasn't really found the sweet spot yet and hopefully, it can improve in the future.
The part you quoted wasn't a comment on balance. It was a comment on you saying the KR Zergs are worse than Serral/Reynor.
Remind me who won the biggest prize pool so far this year again?
Aligulac shows: 5 Zergs (Rogue, Serral, Dark, Reynor and Solar), 4 Terrans (Maru, INnovation, TY, Cure) and 1 Protoss (Zest) in the top 10.
If you look at top 20 (so we are less bias toward top-heavy tournaments, like Rogue living on his 150k win at Katowice) we get: 6 Protoss, 7 Zerg, 7 Terran. That's hardly a bias toward a specific race.
I agree with you that Protoss is a bit weaker (more like hit or miss). But I'm not sure the Protoss problem is just a "balance issue" (in the sense that small changes to the race/maps would solve it). Even PvP is (and always has been, except when the mothership core was here) kind of broken. I feel Protoss is the only race for which blizzard hasn't really found the sweet spot yet and hopefully, it can improve in the future.
The part you quoted wasn't a comment on balance. It was a comment on you saying the KR Zergs are worse than Serral/Reynor.
Even as a long-time die hard KR starcraft fanboy - I am forced to admit that Serral/Reynor are the best zergs in the world.
Remind me who won the biggest prize pool so far this year again?
Aligulac shows: 5 Zergs (Rogue, Serral, Dark, Reynor and Solar), 4 Terrans (Maru, INnovation, TY, Cure) and 1 Protoss (Zest) in the top 10.
If you look at top 20 (so we are less bias toward top-heavy tournaments, like Rogue living on his 150k win at Katowice) we get: 6 Protoss, 7 Zerg, 7 Terran. That's hardly a bias toward a specific race.
I agree with you that Protoss is a bit weaker (more like hit or miss). But I'm not sure the Protoss problem is just a "balance issue" (in the sense that small changes to the race/maps would solve it). Even PvP is (and always has been, except when the mothership core was here) kind of broken. I feel Protoss is the only race for which blizzard hasn't really found the sweet spot yet and hopefully, it can improve in the future.
The part you quoted wasn't a comment on balance. It was a comment on you saying the KR Zergs are worse than Serral/Reynor.
Even as a long-time die hard KR starcraft fanboy - I am forced to admit that Serral/Reynor are the best zergs in the world.
They're the current best absolutely. For Serral specifically he's even spent a sizable portion of time as the best in 2018 and 2019 as well. They haven't been the best all of this year though and the KR Zergs certainly aren't "struggling to imitate them". I disagree with the idea that they are the only Zergs doing well. Darks slump is unrelated to the current status of Zerg. Its unclear what's going on with him but I'm inclined to believe the wrist rumors. Rogue always takes it easy after winning $100k+. SoO won TSL5 which they were both in and always plays his own style. Even when a different style is blatantly OP.
Remind me who won the biggest prize pool so far this year again?
Aligulac shows: 5 Zergs (Rogue, Serral, Dark, Reynor and Solar), 4 Terrans (Maru, INnovation, TY, Cure) and 1 Protoss (Zest) in the top 10.
If you look at top 20 (so we are less bias toward top-heavy tournaments, like Rogue living on his 150k win at Katowice) we get: 6 Protoss, 7 Zerg, 7 Terran. That's hardly a bias toward a specific race.
I agree with you that Protoss is a bit weaker (more like hit or miss). But I'm not sure the Protoss problem is just a "balance issue" (in the sense that small changes to the race/maps would solve it). Even PvP is (and always has been, except when the mothership core was here) kind of broken. I feel Protoss is the only race for which blizzard hasn't really found the sweet spot yet and hopefully, it can improve in the future.
The part you quoted wasn't a comment on balance. It was a comment on you saying the KR Zergs are worse than Serral/Reynor.
Even as a long-time die hard KR starcraft fanboy - I am forced to admit that Serral/Reynor are the best zergs in the world.
They're the current best absolutely. For Serral specifically he's even spent a sizable portion of time as the best in 2018 and 2019 as well. They haven't been the best all of this year though and the KR Zergs certainly aren't "struggling to imitate them". I disagree with the idea that they are the only Zergs doing well. Darks slump is unrelated to the current status of Zerg. Its unclear what's going on with him but I'm inclined to believe the wrist rumors. Rogue always takes it easy after winning $100k+. SoO won TSL5 which they were both in and always plays his own style. Even when a different style is blatantly OP.
Although Serral is the complete package. The best all rounded Zerg. Either Soo, or Dark can compete with how solid Serral is in every aspect of the game. And how he aproaches to it. Rogue is someone who can be compared with his attitude, but he is less consistant.
I think what makes Zerg so strong currently, is that they are "complete" and they have an answer to pretty much anything. Protoss has been doing all-ins against Zerg for so long because they lack answers to Zerg late game. Artosis and Tasteless discussed their fatigue at watching Protoss do Adept timings for months against Zerg during the GSL last night. I'm sure players would like other options too.
This is a game design problem.
On July 21 2020 11:49 zalem95 wrote: Amazing by Serral I never saw such a non-korean player be this consistent (not trying to start a debate here, it's just my personal opinion) but since this game started never seen something like Neeb or him.
Stephano holds that crown for me. At a time when Starcraft had a bigger scene, a Pro-League and was ultra-competitive his accomplishments were stunning.
He paved the way for Serral. And the fall of most of the big Korean pro teams leveled the playing field for foreigners. But the fact that Stephano could beat the best of the best in their prime was remarkable.
On July 26 2020 00:31 BronzeKnee wrote: I think what makes Zerg so strong currently, is that they are "complete" and they have an answer to pretty much anything. Protoss has been doing all-ins against Zerg for so long because they lack answers to Zerg late game. Artosis and Tasteless discussed their fatigue at watching Protoss do Adept timings for months against Zerg during the GSL last night. I'm sure players would like other options too.
This is a game design problem, not simply a "this unit is strategy is overpowered."
On July 21 2020 11:49 zalem95 wrote: Amazing by Serral I never saw such a non-korean player be this consistent (not trying to start a debate here, it's just my personal opinion) but since this game started never seen something like Neeb or him.
Stephano holds that crown for me. At a time when Starcraft had a bigger scene, a Pro-League and was ultra-competitive his accomplishments were stunning.
He paved the way for Serral. And the fall of most of the big Korean pro teams leveled the playing field. But the fact that Stephano could beat them was remarkable.
He was never as relentlessly consistent as Serral is. Still a great talent and a great personality for the scene.
The scene has contracted for sure, but if anything this makes it harder for Serral as he’s playing the real S class Koreans at every tournament, even something like HSC
On July 21 2020 16:06 kingism wrote: How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
Absolutely agree. Ravagers and buffed baneling have made it really hard for protoss to even consider fighting on an equal foot.
Nothing has changed since the old Stephano's fast 200 roach killer move build. To me, having the possibility to stack that many larvas is also completely ridiculous.
Ravagers solve the issue of range since mixing them in not only gets you a 6 range unit, it gets you Biles too. With no extra tech required. With good health and no pesky light or armored tags. Roach ravager is so cost efficient and in most situations Mod edit: (Weird link removed) doesn’t matter if you cant hit air. If you are doing a timing attack with Roach/rav you can literally do damage so fast, you can lose your whole army and be ahead. Like mass roach vs mutas or even vs banshees in some cases. Or you can mostly ignore his early air (phoenix, oracle to an extent, Liberator to an extent). Or you can just outrun it (BC, VR). Damage at home? You can build queens and spores which are superior in many ways to hydra and cost no gas.
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