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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
July 21 2020 07:19 GMT
#21
Serral is the best SC2 player ever.

But I wonder if it would not be good for the game if banelings were 1 supply but Zerg got their supply cap increased to 210.
Granas19881
Profile Joined September 2019
1 Post
July 21 2020 07:26 GMT
#22

Would somebody ever consider running a tournament casted from replay where participants also aren't allowed (honor code) to share replays? Would allow participants to retain the surprise factor.

Obviously, nobody would let a big tournament do this since it kills hype, but in a perfect world it would let us identify just how much Protoss relies on surprise/preparation.



They did something similar in AoE 2, where every player was named after a hero of the campaigns. Loved the system, nobody knew who there were playing against. On the other side, in SC2 it is much less a point of style than in AoE2
kingism
Profile Joined July 2020
25 Posts
July 21 2020 07:28 GMT
#23
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.

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atchosvk
Profile Joined April 2018
55 Posts
July 21 2020 07:29 GMT
#24
On July 21 2020 16:06 kingism wrote:
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.


Absolutely agree. Ravagers and buffed baneling have made it really hard for protoss to even consider fighting on an equal foot.

Nothing has changed since the old Stephano's fast 200 roach killer move build.
To me, having the possibility to stack that many larvas is also completely ridiculous.
661
Profile Joined May 2018
71 Posts
July 21 2020 07:36 GMT
#25
On July 21 2020 16:28 kingism wrote:
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.


Post it one more time with caps, just in case.
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
July 21 2020 08:00 GMT
#26
I'm getting really sick of giving him my congratulations.

+ Show Spoiler +
Congratulations once more, Serral! :D.
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Lazzarus
Profile Joined December 2008
Faroe Islands114 Posts
July 21 2020 08:54 GMT
#27
Always love to see Serral win <3 GG
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-21 09:24:05
July 21 2020 09:20 GMT
#28
On July 21 2020 13:02 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2020 10:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.

Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.

Happy birthday, may this new year of your life be extra joyous by letting Trap into your heart.

My crude mental calculus these days is that I don’t believe a Protoss can win a really stacked weekend tournament if they have to play more than one championship tier Zerg once they get to playoffs.

Trap here. Zest takes out Serral last Katowice, Rogue smacks him in the finals. Previous Katowice to that Stats played gloriously clean PvZ to take out Dark but soO then beat him pretty convincingly.

I shall christen this Wombat’s Law, a term I’m almost certain nobody will ever use.

I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.


I agree. How many times in the past 3 years has a Protoss beaten two top tier Zergs back to back in a bracket.

To go one step further, has any non-zerg beaten Reynor and Serral in the same tournament?


Zest has already be mentionned.
Stats beat Reynor, Serral and Solar at the assembly summers 2019.
Heromarine beat them too in wcs eu winter 2019.

At this point, I feel like preventing the baneling of being a core unit in both match up would necessit a rework.
ZugzwangSC
Profile Joined October 2019
87 Posts
July 21 2020 12:03 GMT
#29
"Instead, the semis ended up being a cautionary tale against overconfidence, reminding Reynor that everyone's Drones still die in two Adept hits—even those of the reigning European champion."

Great line! Terrific recap.
www.youtube.com/c/zugzwangstarcraft
juliansniff
Profile Joined August 2011
United States50 Posts
July 21 2020 12:20 GMT
#30
Fantastic tournament. I really enjoyed the format and casting. Nice to see HeRoMaRinE do well.

Maru x Reynor was really hype as well.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 21 2020 12:31 GMT
#31
On July 21 2020 21:03 ZugzwangSC wrote:
"Instead, the semis ended up being a cautionary tale against overconfidence, reminding Reynor that everyone's Drones still die in two Adept hits—even those of the reigning European champion."

Great line! Terrific recap.


He wasn't overconfident, everybody was thinking what he said.
This is pretty lame by Gemini.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2107 Posts
July 21 2020 12:40 GMT
#32
any pics of the trophy? i assumed thered be a trophy
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
July 21 2020 13:11 GMT
#33
On July 21 2020 16:06 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2020 10:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On July 21 2020 09:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Man, after the win against Reynor, when Trap seized the initiative with the first win of the finals, I actually believed he'd do the impossible.

Between this tournament and TSL I'm actually turning into a Trap fan, which is shocking since I've spent over a decade unable to care about him.


I think it’s the combo of PvZ being terrible and so dependent on Protoss misdirecting them or having some new build with supreme execution. Plus when matches shift to Bo5/Bo7 so you really have to show your hand, you can’t really rely on your B builds in a Ro4.


Don't forget Classic! Beat Rogue and Dark in back to back weeks of Code S by prepping a different build for every single game. Also that BlizzCon game vs Rogue

And it was bloody glorious.

That said Wombat’s Law still holds as it’s specifically for stacked weekend gauntlet tournies.
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4148 Posts
July 21 2020 13:42 GMT
#34
Imo Reynor was so busy sniping Serral that he didn't notice Trap sniping him. There was certain time when Korean pros realized Serral is no joke and started prepping for him. I think its time when this starts happening to Reynor too and thats not easy to handle. Saying "i might be the best right now" without being properly tested was a bit premature. However knowing Reynor's winner mentality, he's gonna be more cautious and generally stronger next time. I really liked this narrative. Maru though should have won those Cure games :/
Drone is a way of living
kingism
Profile Joined July 2020
25 Posts
July 21 2020 15:08 GMT
#35
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil273 Posts
July 21 2020 16:43 GMT
#36
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.

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Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil273 Posts
July 21 2020 16:44 GMT
#37
Serral GOAT, though
bulletbill
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada33 Posts
July 21 2020 18:33 GMT
#38
I've liked trap since he won Mlg a million years ago
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil273 Posts
July 21 2020 20:16 GMT
#39
On July 22 2020 03:33 bulletbill wrote:
I've liked trap since he won Mlg a million years ago


Me 2. Actually, i liked and disliked him since that event... cus he dropped Scarlett, and she was in a beautiful run
gophersnake
Profile Joined July 2018
48 Posts
July 22 2020 08:22 GMT
#40
On July 21 2020 16:29 atchosvk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2020 16:06 kingism wrote:
How do u beat a top Zerg? Zerg economy is just 10x better than terran and protoss. It's becoming quite a stupid game. If zerg econ is so good, their units have to be weaker to compensate, but no, their units are AS gd, if not better, as terran and protoss lol. What ends up happening is 200 maxed out zerg battles against 140 supply protoss and terran, AND after the battle, zerg remaxes instantly with their superior economy and unit production LOL Gd job Serral on dominating with a clearly OP race.


Absolutely agree. Ravagers and buffed baneling have made it really hard for protoss to even consider fighting on an equal foot.

Nothing has changed since the old Stephano's fast 200 roach killer move build.
To me, having the possibility to stack that many larvas is also completely ridiculous.



Ya that 5 year period where zerg never won a single code s was such a proof of the overpowered nature of zerg larva
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