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Elentos
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On March 20 2020 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:
So Code S 2020 will have the same amount of prize money as Code S 2019. Good news.
Think the new ASL style format is good. But then what was the deal with top 52?
Well mathematically, if every Code S has 28 players, that would mean 24 players who got eliminated in the qualifiers still get something.
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On March 20 2020 18:58 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:
So Code S 2020 will have the same amount of prize money as Code S 2019. Good news.
Think the new ASL style format is good. But then what was the deal with top 52? Well mathematically, if every Code S has 28 players, that would mean 24 players who got eliminated in the qualifiers still get something.
In this rulebook table the places 29. - 40. get 35 points and 41. - 52. get 20 points. That would basically be a double ESL Cup win for losing all games... doesn't seem fair TBH
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I guess the real question is what does this mean for Ro16 group selection?
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Elentos
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On March 20 2020 19:08 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 18:58 Elentos wrote:On March 20 2020 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:
So Code S 2020 will have the same amount of prize money as Code S 2019. Good news.
Think the new ASL style format is good. But then what was the deal with top 52? Well mathematically, if every Code S has 28 players, that would mean 24 players who got eliminated in the qualifiers still get something. In this rulebook table the places 29. - 40. get 35 points and 41. - 52. get 20 points. That would basically be a double ESL Cup win for losing all games... doesn't seem fair TBH
41. - 52. would be players who won 2 matches. And I think that's fine, those will generally be players who are unlikely to win ESL Cups to begin with.
On March 20 2020 19:41 sneakyfox wrote:
I guess the real question is what does this mean for Ro16 group selection?
ASL style. The top 4 of the previous season (and for season 1 the top 4 of ST) will build groups with the usual group selection antics. So realistically it means nothing.
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On March 20 2020 19:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:08 Harris1st wrote:On March 20 2020 18:58 Elentos wrote:On March 20 2020 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:
So Code S 2020 will have the same amount of prize money as Code S 2019. Good news.
Think the new ASL style format is good. But then what was the deal with top 52? Well mathematically, if every Code S has 28 players, that would mean 24 players who got eliminated in the qualifiers still get something. In this rulebook table the places 29. - 40. get 35 points and 41. - 52. get 20 points. That would basically be a double ESL Cup win for losing all games... doesn't seem fair TBH 41. - 52. would be players who won 2 matches. And I think that's fine, those will generally be players who are unlikely to win ESL Cups to begin with. Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:41 sneakyfox wrote:
I guess the real question is what does this mean for Ro16 group selection? ASL style. The top 4 of the previous season (and for season 1 the top 4 of ST) will build groups with the usual group selection antics. So realistically it means nothing.
I think you missunderstand me. 41. - 52. basically get free points! Those players would never ever win an ESL Cup. This highly diminishes what HeroMarine does every week and who he has to fight through for example!
Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. Maybe Korea and some foreigners show up in full force and make it actually difficult to get to places above 52nd
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Elentos
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The cups are an extra. Sure, Heromarine puts in insane work every week to make half as many points. But GSL is the main tournament of the Korean region. It's meant to far outweigh the cups. You also get more points from being top 56 at a WCS stop than from winning an ESL Cup. A laughable prospect if you compare the skill required to achieve each.
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On March 20 2020 19:56 Harris1st wrote:
I think you missunderstand me. 41. - 52. basically get free points! Those players would never ever win an ESL Cup. This highly diminishes what HeroMarine does every week and who he has to fight through for example!
Honestly I think that that's a really good thing. I get that it might feel unfair, but as others have pointed out, the GSL is supposed to be the main thing and more people being able to earn money and points at GSL is gonna be huge for the koreans just outside the Ro32 barrier and because of that really good for the Korean scene overall since new blood can come in much easier.
Also I'm pretty sure we should be differentiating between the global points the EPT-cups give and the EPT Korea points that GSL gives. Highly doubt Heromarine is gonna care at all about someone getting points for a circuit he doesn't even play in.
Edit: Also should be noted that all of what's being done in this thread so far is speculation based on the rulebook, gonna have to wait for a proper confirmation of what's actually up with the 29-52 point distribution.
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On March 20 2020 19:56 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:47 Elentos wrote:On March 20 2020 19:08 Harris1st wrote:On March 20 2020 18:58 Elentos wrote:On March 20 2020 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:
So Code S 2020 will have the same amount of prize money as Code S 2019. Good news.
Think the new ASL style format is good. But then what was the deal with top 52? Well mathematically, if every Code S has 28 players, that would mean 24 players who got eliminated in the qualifiers still get something. In this rulebook table the places 29. - 40. get 35 points and 41. - 52. get 20 points. That would basically be a double ESL Cup win for losing all games... doesn't seem fair TBH 41. - 52. would be players who won 2 matches. And I think that's fine, those will generally be players who are unlikely to win ESL Cups to begin with. On March 20 2020 19:41 sneakyfox wrote:
I guess the real question is what does this mean for Ro16 group selection? ASL style. The top 4 of the previous season (and for season 1 the top 4 of ST) will build groups with the usual group selection antics. So realistically it means nothing. I think you missunderstand me. 41. - 52. basically get free points! Those players would never ever win an ESL Cup. This highly diminishes what HeroMarine does every week and who he has to fight through for example! Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. Maybe Korea and some foreigners show up in full force and make it actually difficult to get to places above 52nd
Olimoleagues, kungfu cups, warditv tournaments and so on give 0 Points. This highly diminishes what the winners of those cups have to go through…
Bullshit argument that has nothing to do with anything, that some tournaments give some Points and some tournament gives m a lot Points diminishes no ones accomolishment.
The only way the players placing 41-52 in all tournaments could get more Points than the Winners of ESL tournaments is if said Winners bomb out of every single big event of the year. If that happens would that ESL Winner really be more deserving? Its not so cut and dry
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GSL is 3 times a year, Big Gabe Cup is every week. It s designed that way, that if you are consistent, then you get rewarded in the weekly cups 
And Heromarine has allways been super consistent. He loses against those he is supposed to lose, but he also wins against everyone, he is supposed to win. I think his biggest upset last year was his 3-2 Group Stage win vs Classic and the biggest upset he got was his defeat against MLord. Appart from that he pretty much allways beat the weaker players and got beaten by worse ones. That s what makes him so dominant in the ESL Cups. He just doesn t slip. And in his current form, the only player, he s realy in a disadvantage in foreignland is Serral. So as long as he isn t playing, Big Gabe will keep getting into the finals more often than not.
To be clear, I don t think, he is actually better than Reynor, Elazer, Showtime, Neeb or Clem. All of those are pretty much equal. But HM is the least likely one to get upset by the next tier players in line, like Harstem, Lambo, Mana, uThermal, Scarlett, Bly and so on..
Edit: sorry, wasn t intendet to become such a long rant. This has little to do with GSL..
So, ehm, hurray, GSL is coming
I hope I can actually catch something live and that they are also broadcasting the qualifiers, as they give points as well, they could also try to give some spotlight to the new guys like percival, chance and so on
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On March 20 2020 19:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:08 Harris1st wrote:On March 20 2020 18:58 Elentos wrote:On March 20 2020 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:
So Code S 2020 will have the same amount of prize money as Code S 2019. Good news.
Think the new ASL style format is good. But then what was the deal with top 52? Well mathematically, if every Code S has 28 players, that would mean 24 players who got eliminated in the qualifiers still get something. In this rulebook table the places 29. - 40. get 35 points and 41. - 52. get 20 points. That would basically be a double ESL Cup win for losing all games... doesn't seem fair TBH 41. - 52. would be players who won 2 matches. And I think that's fine, those will generally be players who are unlikely to win ESL Cups to begin with. Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:41 sneakyfox wrote:
I guess the real question is what does this mean for Ro16 group selection? ASL style. The top 4 of the previous season (and for season 1 the top 4 of ST) will build groups with the usual group selection antics. So realistically it means nothing.
Phew, good to hear. The true highlight of any Code S season.
I guess all we need now are Chinese team flairs.
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GSL is back baby! Great news.
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On March 20 2020 20:26 Kori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:56 Harris1st wrote:
I think you missunderstand me. 41. - 52. basically get free points! Those players would never ever win an ESL Cup. This highly diminishes what HeroMarine does every week and who he has to fight through for example!
Honestly I think that that's a really good thing. I get that it might feel unfair, but as others have pointed out, the GSL is supposed to be the main thing and more people being able to earn money and points at GSL is gonna be huge for the koreans just outside the Ro32 barrier and because of that really good for the Korean scene overall since new blood can come in much easier. Also I'm pretty sure we should be differentiating between the global points the EPT-cups give and the EPT Korea points that GSL gives. Highly doubt Heromarine is gonna care at all about someone getting points for a circuit he doesn't even play in. Edit: Also should be noted that all of what's being done in this thread so far is speculation based on the rulebook, gonna have to wait for a proper confirmation of what's actually up with the 29-52 point distribution.
Fair point!
On March 20 2020 20:11 Elentos wrote:
The cups are an extra. Sure, Heromarine puts in insane work every week to make half as many points. But GSL is the main tournament of the Korean region. It's meant to far outweigh the cups. You also get more points from being top 56 at a WCS stop than from winning an ESL Cup. A laughable prospect if you compare the skill required to achieve each.
Also fair point
On March 20 2020 20:32 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:56 Harris1st wrote:On March 20 2020 19:47 Elentos wrote:On March 20 2020 19:08 Harris1st wrote:On March 20 2020 18:58 Elentos wrote:On March 20 2020 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:
So Code S 2020 will have the same amount of prize money as Code S 2019. Good news.
Think the new ASL style format is good. But then what was the deal with top 52? Well mathematically, if every Code S has 28 players, that would mean 24 players who got eliminated in the qualifiers still get something. In this rulebook table the places 29. - 40. get 35 points and 41. - 52. get 20 points. That would basically be a double ESL Cup win for losing all games... doesn't seem fair TBH 41. - 52. would be players who won 2 matches. And I think that's fine, those will generally be players who are unlikely to win ESL Cups to begin with. On March 20 2020 19:41 sneakyfox wrote:
I guess the real question is what does this mean for Ro16 group selection? ASL style. The top 4 of the previous season (and for season 1 the top 4 of ST) will build groups with the usual group selection antics. So realistically it means nothing. I think you missunderstand me. 41. - 52. basically get free points! Those players would never ever win an ESL Cup. This highly diminishes what HeroMarine does every week and who he has to fight through for example! Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. Maybe Korea and some foreigners show up in full force and make it actually difficult to get to places above 52nd Olimoleagues, kungfu cups, warditv tournaments and so on give 0 Points. This highly diminishes what the winners of those cups have to go through… Bullshit argument that has nothing to do with anything, that some tournaments give some Points and some tournament gives m a lot Points diminishes no ones accomolishment. The only way the players placing 41-52 in all tournaments could get more Points than the Winners of ESL tournaments is if said Winners bomb out of every single big event of the year. If that happens would that ESL Winner really be more deserving? Its not so cut and dry
what are you even arguing? O.o
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You also only get 3 shots at GSL, while there are like more than 150 open cups
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I think we should just wait for a new, revised version of the rulebook at this stage, and consider the possibility that the previous version was working off a draft version of Code S that got modified
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Canada8991 Posts
On March 21 2020 00:56 Waxangel wrote:
I think we should just wait for a new, revised version of the rulebook at this stage, and consider the possibility that the previous version was working off a draft version of Code S that got modified
Bring back Aeromi!
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On March 20 2020 12:47 Waxangel wrote:
Location TBD!
Maybe online.....?
If it weren't for possible travel issues, this could possibly spur people to try to qualify from outside of Korea. EU to Korea would be difficult though less so for players playing a race without a significant micro requirement. NA to Korea is probably more doable for all races, especially for people closer to the west coast.
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Wait is this Code A the Code A where it's played offline, in studio? Casted by Khaldor & Wolf?
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Elentos
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On March 21 2020 03:14 geokilla wrote:
Wait is this Code A the Code A where it's played offline, in studio? Casted by Khaldor & Wolf?
No this is the Code A of the past 3 years where they call the qualifiers Code A. Which granted is still played offline.
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Hola, will there be any english streams for tomorrows qualifier?
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Elentos
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On March 31 2020 18:33 DrunkenJedi wrote:
Hola, will there be any english streams for tomorrows qualifier?
There's no sanctioned qualifier stream planned according to Creighton Olsen. It's possible players will show their replays on streams after the fact, that's happened before (at least for the non-Koreans who tried).
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