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On May 31 2019 02:29 SHODAN wrote:


so what mmr are you to make you think you are such hot shit?

On May 31 2019 01:54 insitelol wrote:

Gold terrans talking credibility. Now i've seen everything.

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On May 31 2019 03:48 machinus wrote:


Not sure who these gold terrans are, but it's pretty clear who the kid having a tantrum on the forum is. Maybe it's time to take a nap.

The fact is that GSL is where balance decisions are made, and there has been an issue with Protoss for a long time now. Blizzard should take a look at the early game and fix it.

On May 30 2019 21:59 the caz dog wrote:


May as well be.

PvZ - You don't have to juggle Immortals to win with many of these pushes. It does help though. If it is toned down further (and yes, both Warp Prisms and Immortals have been nerfed over their history), it's going to be the loss of a cool form of micro that pros are using more and more effectively.

It's funny that Robo openers became more popular in response to Nydus, and now we've re-learned how good the timing pushes are as a result. Also, no Protoss player wants to go late game vs Zerg anymore. Any timing push / allin nerfs should include addressing Protoss weakness in lategame PvZ.

PvT - Some kind of buff to Terran might be helpful. It's hard to know exactly what form it would take though. Something around making the Protoss 3rd a bit harder to take might be on the right track. Trade that for a way to deal with BCs, and we are talking.

On May 31 2019 05:18 SHODAN wrote:


you can't stand the whine of low league players? I don't believe you. you thrive on the comments of low league players because arguing with low league players makes you look good (in a cheap and obvious way, of course ). you have 2 strategies on the forums: 1) derail balance discussion by focusing on the comments of low league players, 2) derail balance discussions by summoning the name "avilo"

you never engage with the reasonable suggestions or observations, only with the bad ones. it's the same protoss bullshit in-game and beyond the game: retarded aggression and cheesy arguments to give you the advantage. if you are a protoss player who really cares about the game, you'd want the game to be fun to play for all races, fair competition in all match-ups, and high viewership (which is necessitated by fun + fair + balanced).

doesn't really matter if you are proud of your mmr or not. are you proud of beating a terran or zerg who played better than you? that's the question protoss players should be asking themselves. ok ok, it's fun to be the imba race for a while stim-for-the-win terrans had their fun time... bl infestor zergs had their fun time... now protoss has had their fun time too! but eventually you have to accept that it's hurting the game.

you know what is most rewarding about sc2? when you win a game and your opponent actually RESPECTS your play afterwards. go back to HotS and think about TvZ. you micro vs my widow mines, and I'll micro vs your banelings. equal effort expected on both sides. now think about current patch TvP. I kill my wrists splitting against your storms and disruptor balls, while you put your feet up and wait for cooldowns? :D the terran is queue-shifting, stutter stepping and clicking out of his mind to control a fragile medivac drop - careful of all the risks and dangers, because losing the drop can lose the game - while you dick around with a 10 range invincible prism? click click click MASS ZEALOT WARP-IN then just move the camera back to your side of the map (to build another nexus of course! :D) and those zealots get 22 scv kills without you even looking you can just fly that thing thru turrets, lose it over and over - where is the risk? how do I punish? oh yeah, and all those insta-death build order losses? there is a good minute or more after terran commits to mech (which is easily scoutable) and where toss can literally just throw down gateways and win with a huge gateway push when T tries to take a third... fantasy on king's cove is a good example. yeah... it's nothing personal, but I haven't gg'd a protoss player since WoL. mothership core = no respect, fuck you. deathball = no respect, fuck you. usually I just lift my buildings and write mean stuff nowadays. wish it could be different. it would be nice if we could have a gentlemanly, sportsmanlike game of TvP.

On May 31 2019 05:18 SHODAN wrote:
mothership core = no respect, fuck you. deathball = no respect, fuck you. usually I just lift my buildings and write mean stuff nowadays.

On May 31 2019 05:54 SHODAN wrote:


see? more protoss bullshit. focus on the most petty, trivial thing and ignore all the substance you literally just demonstrated what I wrote in the first paragraph - congrats, thx for playing

On May 31 2019 06:01 insitelol wrote:

And the substance was: protoss takes less skill than terran? Did i miss something?
Man, you speak about respect, then talk "death ballz protoss zero skill, i kill my wrists protoss a-click" stuff and you want me to take that seriously? Anyways. Whatever. I guess mods are mad already. I'm out.

On May 31 2019 05:46 SHODAN wrote:


bad idea. +1 lock-on range would break mech vZ. anyway, terran doesn't need a better way to shoot down an oracle or warp prism... cyclones already do that just fine. there no magical buff to a single unit that will fix TvP. the real problem is much more complicated: the economy and the main army. by the 10 minute mark, toss is just always ahead in workers, infratructure and usually upgrades. there needs to be a way to stop toss from taking such an easy third, or from teching up so fast - OR - there needs to be a way for terran to speed up his own infrastructure and take a third safely. the REAL problem is that protoss can literally march against an entrenched terran position - buildings blocking with tanks behind (tanks with high ground """advantage"""), bunkers full of marines, scvs blocking - you name it - the protoss a-move >> entrenched terran. the rules do not apply to protoss! if you are zerg, you can't just fucking walk into tanks LOL. marines can't just walk into tanks and magically win in TvT

I say give tanks a +shield dmg upgrade and borrow the human build mechanic from wc3 (multiple scvs build building faster). yeah, ppl don't like the +shield dmg variable because tanks also have the +armored thing, but really, I don't see why a unit can't have 2 different dmg modifiers. I can suspend disbelief or sense of design elegance if it does the job

On May 31 2019 08:01 ThunderJunk wrote:
The problem is timing attacks are super good vs. Z.
I think the gentlest change would be to reduce immortal movement speed. But then P would need to go lategame vs Z, which is quite challenging, and that doesn't really fix PvT, which does seem pretty ugly right now.

Maybe also add an upgrade requirement for Tempests to attack ground?

On May 31 2019 07:52 SHODAN wrote:


2 supply and we got ourselves a deal