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On May 30 2019 21:41 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2019 21:35 insitelol wrote:On May 30 2019 20:41 fronkschnonk wrote:
Well, I'm almost always a fan of "let's wait how this develops" in balance questions. But at some point one has to admit due to mere statistics that Protoss probably is somewhat favored. I like how you tried to put it intelligently with "let it settle" stuff and then followed it with "buuuuut, you know, there is statistics". Nice try. Too bad there is no "statistics". Unless it includes 4 gsl terran titles in a row for korea and undiniable zerg dominance in eu for last couple of years. The only statistics worth mentioning here is the average mmr of terrans, who constantly whine about.. everything, i guess? Another imbecile stuck on 1 player winning GSL lmao. Race representation has been P heavy for 1.5 years - it's now at a ridiculous level - you can't hide anymore lmao.
You don't know what you're talking about, mate. Terran has had FOUR bonjwas in brood war and flash alone won like 6 starleagues. Clearly that means that terran in 2019 sc2 is too strong and must be nerfed.
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LETS GO STATS FIGHTING!!!!
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Best troll post 2019?
May as well be.
PvZ - You don't have to juggle Immortals to win with many of these pushes. It does help though. If it is toned down further (and yes, both Warp Prisms and Immortals have been nerfed over their history), it's going to be the loss of a cool form of micro that pros are using more and more effectively.
It's funny that Robo openers became more popular in response to Nydus, and now we've re-learned how good the timing pushes are as a result. Also, no Protoss player wants to go late game vs Zerg anymore. Any timing push / allin nerfs should include addressing Protoss weakness in lategame PvZ.
PvT - Some kind of buff to Terran might be helpful. It's hard to know exactly what form it would take though. Something around making the Protoss 3rd a bit harder to take might be on the right track. Trade that for a way to deal with BCs, and we are talking.
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On May 30 2019 21:29 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2019 21:14 the caz dog wrote:
The thing is Protoss just recently got a decent nerf across all matchups, including the Air Upgrades (which have never been a problem at any time).
Instead of reducing Protoss strength, it seems to have had minimal effect.
Why? I think it's because Protoss players are better.
Before you rush to downvote and flame, I'm not talking about mechanics, macro, micro, mini-map awareness, etc. I'm talking about the capacity to generate new and innovative builds as a community.
I feel lucky to have picked a race that happens to be played by guys like sOs, MC, Day9, Parting, Artosis, Petit Drogo, Trap and even an unknown like Max Pax (and so many others I've left out). They aren't whiners, but rather, they all have made massive creative contributions to how Protoss is played at one time or another. Then there's guys like Gemini, distilling and distributing that knowledge to us lower league types.
Can Terran and Zerg players say the same about their community leaders? I'm not so sure. And without the KESPA system, the meta is more volatile than I've ever seen, so having that community helping to solve problems is more important than ever before.
Anyway, I think Protoss will be nerfed at some point. But we've just seen how nerfing Toss can just make them stronger. That only makes sense if there is some other factor at play - which could be something like the types of communities each respective race have cultivated. Best troll post 2019?
We need to give this man an academy award
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We need to give this man an academy award
I'd lose to the Terran victim mentality performance by a fair margin.
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This thread is a shit show lol.
I'm hoping Group D will provide some good games before the PvPlayoffs and if Dark and Inno can escape the group we've got a pretty decent Ro8 after all is said and done.
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8/8 is dead, but 4/4 still alive and well. Let's go Stats!
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I think we're going to have to call 2019 the "Year of the Protosses." It is Legacy of the Void afterall? lol
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BLIZZARD, remove additional damage from charge-lots. Pls.
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On May 30 2019 20:43 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2019 11:09 Xain0n wrote:On May 30 2019 10:25 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
We have the B-list Trap and Hurricane, the semi-retired Hero and the actual retired Parting in the GSL RO8.
This is what passes nowadays for the 'world absolute best' in SC2 talent, really??
I never imagined I'd say these words, but I really miss David Kim!!
Watching Classic stroll through a string of flawless victories on his way to the trophy is gonna be great! The suspense is killing me LOL
This is just sad.. Classic is the only acceptable Protoss all at once and everyone would be delighted now to see him win a Code S in his last year(after being underrated for his entire career), while herO who is most likely about to retire as well is half-active(low skilled, I guess)? PartinG actually came back from retirement, he's recovering, while Trap seems eventually on the verge of becoming a top player once that he is free from the towering shades of his teammates. Harry "GentleBreeze" Kane is probably the one who benefits the most from his meta, but he definitely earned his ro8 spot by dispatching Solar and Ragnarok. The sad thing is the disproportionate amount of whine and Protoss hate. Annnnnnd this is why no one respects you. Bury your head in the sand more. Protoss needs a nerf its completely obvious and u over here like "b b b but they all just gods..git good other races....ommmmg protoss has all the spots bb bb b but maru and serral win!?"
Rofl, can't decide if your post is more exhilarant or pathetic; in any of case, you are so nasty and pointless that having your respect would greatly disappoint me. I openly stated Warp Prism most likely needs a nerf in exchange for late game buffs to Protoss but this does not justify whining 24/7.
What happens if we remove all the tournaments won by Serral and Maru(not considering WCS WinteR)? Three Super Tournaments won by Protoss, then two Katowice won by Rogue and soO, Pyeonchang won by Scarlett and WESG 2018 won by Inno: Protoss overwhelming, you are right! Your lies don't stop here, Protoss overabundance in GSL started in 2019 so it's at worst five months of Protoss "domination" and so many Protoss magically produce an even distribution of Premier victories this year: we are at 1 T-1 P titles in Korea and 3 Z-2 P-2 T overall.
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terran buffs incoming  )
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If Protoss gets 7/8 in back-to-back GSL's, would that be evidence that Protoss is OP?
If it's not, what is the threshold of evidence needed before a race can be determined to be OP?
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Honestly, if the Protoss players cared about the game, they would never defend the joke that is this situation. I used to be top 8 master when the game was healthy, so Ive been through a lot of era of dominance. I quit the game 3 years ago ( around when Proleague disbanded), but I ve been following the scene for a while. No wonder the game is getting "more dead" every day. Having such imbalance in the game is terrible for viewers and players.
TLDR: if protoss players cared more about starcraft surviving than their winrate on ladder, they would not defend that bullshit. They are just contributing even more to the downfall of this once great franchise.
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soo looked very weak against the protoss
if he gets eliminated i'm tuning out and not watching this garbage
gomtvt OTOH was awesome, tvt was fantastic and a lot of cool stuff going on.
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On May 30 2019 23:00 SHODAN wrote:terran buffs incoming )
People are saying this for a long time now. As Depeche Mode sing - Enjoy the Silence  (coming from Blizzard)
On May 30 2019 23:29 TrashEconomy wrote:
If Protoss gets 7/8 in back-to-back GSL's, would that be evidence that Protoss is OP?
If it's not, what is the threshold of evidence needed before a race can be determined to be OP?
9/8! Then I say we have serious issue
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On May 30 2019 23:31 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:
Honestly, if the Protoss players cared about the game, they would never defend the joke that is this situation. I used to be top 8 master when the game was healthy, so Ive been through a lot of era of dominance. I quit the game 3 years ago ( around when Proleague disbanded), but I ve been following the scene for a while. No wonder the game is getting "more dead" every day. Having such imbalance in the game is terrible for viewers and players.
TLDR: if protoss players cared more about starcraft surviving than their winrate on ladder, they would not defend that bullshit. They are just contributing even more to the downfall of this once great franchise.
TLDR: if 3k terrans cared more about their winrate on ladder rather than justifying their lack of skill on public boards, they would definitely invest more time into actually getting better at the game.
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On May 31 2019 00:03 deacon.frost wrote:People are saying this for a long time now. As Depeche Mode sing - Enjoy the Silence (coming from Blizzard)
haha - very true... we probs won't see anything until their big end-of-year balance revamp
in the meantime, all we get is cheesy laser disco from Den Harrow's "Overpower(ed)" album
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On May 31 2019 00:58 insitelol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2019 23:31 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:
Honestly, if the Protoss players cared about the game, they would never defend the joke that is this situation. I used to be top 8 master when the game was healthy, so Ive been through a lot of era of dominance. I quit the game 3 years ago ( around when Proleague disbanded), but I ve been following the scene for a while. No wonder the game is getting "more dead" every day. Having such imbalance in the game is terrible for viewers and players.
TLDR: if protoss players cared more about starcraft surviving than their winrate on ladder, they would not defend that bullshit. They are just contributing even more to the downfall of this once great franchise. TLDR: if 3k terrans cared more about their winrate on ladder rather than justifying their lack of skill on public boards, they would definitely invest more time into actually getting better at the game.
You're doing an awful lot of whining to excuse the protoss imbalance issue. Definitely having a credibility problem
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Why don't you guys make a new balance thread. Seems like thats what you all are interested in and not the tournament.
Regardless of your view, Blizz hasn't said anything so we're far off any changes.
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On May 31 2019 01:44 machinus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2019 00:58 insitelol wrote:On May 30 2019 23:31 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:
Honestly, if the Protoss players cared about the game, they would never defend the joke that is this situation. I used to be top 8 master when the game was healthy, so Ive been through a lot of era of dominance. I quit the game 3 years ago ( around when Proleague disbanded), but I ve been following the scene for a while. No wonder the game is getting "more dead" every day. Having such imbalance in the game is terrible for viewers and players.
TLDR: if protoss players cared more about starcraft surviving than their winrate on ladder, they would not defend that bullshit. They are just contributing even more to the downfall of this once great franchise. TLDR: if 3k terrans cared more about their winrate on ladder rather than justifying their lack of skill on public boards, they would definitely invest more time into actually getting better at the game. You're doing an awful lot of whining to excuse the protoss imbalance issue. Definitely having a credibility problem
Gold terrans talking credibility. Now i've seen everything.
User was warned for this post.
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