WESG champion INnoVation received a sour welcoming back in GSL Code S, suffering round of 16 elimination just days after defeating Serral for the WESG trophy. Instead, it was Classic who topped Group C, making good on nearly a month of uninterrupted preparation since his opponents had been revealed. Trap came through in second place in the group, breaking a lengthy Code S jinx that had seen him mired in the RO16 for over five years.
The final RO16 group is set to be played on Saturday, Mar 23 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), with Dark, herO, Cure, and Dear vying for the final two spots in the Code S quarterfinals. Currently, the playoff brackets are as follows:
Hmm... Part of me wonders if INnoVation exhausted all his energy last week particularly vs Serral. That final was not an easy series for either of them.
Yes I know he dodged Protoss but I also wonder if, flying back from China and then only having a couple prep days did a number on him he wasn’t able to overcome.
Dark is in the same boat this weekend except: he will get a full week.
Seems like a really unfair advantage against both Inno and Dark just in terms of schedule. (Maru was able to take care of his business before leaving for China). 🤔
This scheduling quirk happened last year too, would be nice if they could get all four rounds in on one side or the other to make the playing field more even.
(On a side note: more Terran tears, anyone? 😂 I used to empathize with them. I don’t anymore.)
Hmm... Part of me wonders if INnoVation exhausted all his energy last week particularly vs Serral. That final was not an easy series for either of them.
Yes I know he dodged Protoss but I also wonder if, flying back from China and then only having a couple prep days did a number on him he wasn’t able to overcome.
Dark is in the same boat this weekend except: he will get a full week.
Seems like a really unfair advantage against both Inno and Dark just in terms of schedule. (Maru was able to take care of his business before leaving for China). 🤔 + Show Spoiler +
This scheduling quirk happened last year too, would be nice if they could get all four rounds in on one side or the other to make the playing field more even.
(On a side note: more Terran tears, anyone? 😂 I used to empathize with them. I don’t anymore.
On March 21 2019 18:19 StarcraftSquall wrote: (On a side note: more Terran tears, anyone? 😂 I used to empathize with them. I don’t anymore.)
Honestly, I hear probably twice as much whining about Terran whine than actual Terran whine. Maybe I can start the third tier meta where everyone can start whining about people whining about Terran whine?
Inno seemed really committed to his two base play in TvP while we've seen some recent success with Terran threatening 2 base pushes then playing defensively if Protoss isn't punishable into bio lib viking late game. I'm not sold on the style (Rail vs Inno for example) but it's still new and worth exploring imo.
Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
On March 21 2019 20:44 Akio wrote: We're in for a TY/Maru vs Rogue finals
Few problems I see. 1) Rogue vs RO8 curse The curse proved to be strong in the past. Classic is really good. I don't know, Kev. 2) Trap has good PvT, he may get us a double upset(I wouldn't bet on Maru against his teammates). 3) Dark, herO and Cure can win against Maru, Dark because he's Dark, Cure because he's from JAGW and herO because he may find his long lost mojo in RO8. Although I don't think herO and Cure can win the group, Dark should be the victor unless he comes in drunk. I don't know why I think Dear has no chances to advance nor beat Maru. Sorry, Dear, it's just me guts
On March 21 2019 08:24 Waxangel wrote: AfreecaTV activated the INnoVation Protocol in order to RE:Generate the GSL. Now that the mission is accomplished, it's been put offline.
Holly fuck does Innovation really do his best to make it harder for the fans! C'mon man, win 1-2 GSLs in 2019 so that we can put the GOAT discussion to rest!
Hmm, looks like we will have Maru vs Dark Ro8. Now that would be something Also, Rogues bracket is developing for him to be an easy road to the finals. What better time to break his Ro8 curse than against his favorite punching bag. The other side is really hard to predict, TY can smash everyone there but he can also choke and lose to Trap...
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
On March 21 2019 10:21 Kazi25 wrote: Somehow, I would like to see Bunny win the GSL just to see how much he would cry.
Bunny is one of the only koreans with a strong personality but he never gets far enough in tournaments to show it. Would be amazing if he finally went deep somewhere
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 12:37 argonautdice wrote: "soO wins IEM Katowice 2019" "soO out in RO16, Maru squeaks into Code S quarterfinals"
"INnoVation defeats Serral to win WESG 2018" "INnoVation out, Classic & Trap advance in Code S"
LOL
This was my exact thoughts. I was expecting great things from soO and Innovation, but it looks like either the travelling got to them both, or maybe the lack of preparation time.
Still, it was sad to see sOs going out the way he did. Not sure why he felt that he had to proxy each game vs Trap. Was really hoping to see him play just a normal standard/macro game in the deciding final game when it was tied 1-1.
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
Inno's TvP is one of the most dominant match-ups in GSL history.
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Exactly, better go for proxy 2/3 rax, because I never saw this strategy win (scv pull)
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate
TY has won a lot of games with SCV pulls ever since early 2018, even at Blizzcon against Neeb. Often times it's not even the goal at the start of the game to SCV pull. It's a reaction to Protoss delaying your economy too much. A timing you try to hit before they can make proper use of the economy advantage.
Even Inno was pretty close to pushing through against sOs, and that was with a bad opening and with marines without combat shields vs colossus.
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
I kinda understood most SCV pulls. They were mostly done in games where inno seemed to have gotten behind. For example sOs made phoenix and inno basically just lost the game to them but then almost won with a great push where scvs tanked so much damage. Maybe at some point he thought about trying to play it lategame but after stats dismantled it like he did I would totally agree with SCV pulls.
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
I'm fairly sure there's no such thing. Maybe a semi?
Highest round they ever met in GSL was Ro8.
Also as mentioned earlier, the tweet is from a while ago, some things have changed. For example, TY should be taking Mvp's place in the top 10 after Ro16.
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote: Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.
Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
hand hold quadrate sky draw halberd, feet tread red rabbit red horse, the invincible innnnnnnnnovation, again again again again hang on white gate house. i want see tiger prison pass like vs serral!
On March 23 2019 04:57 GoodApple wrote: hand hold quadrate sky draw halberd, feet tread red rabbit red horse, the invincible innnnnnnnnovation, again again again again hang on white gate house. i want see tiger prison pass like vs serral!
So, I have a question. What the fuck does this mean?
On March 23 2019 04:57 GoodApple wrote: hand hold quadrate sky draw halberd, feet tread red rabbit red horse, the invincible innnnnnnnnovation, again again again again hang on white gate house. i want see tiger prison pass like vs serral!
So, I have a question. What the fuck does this mean?
Badly translated Chinese. It's kinda fun, no need to make it into a problem.
On March 23 2019 04:57 GoodApple wrote: hand hold quadrate sky draw halberd, feet tread red rabbit red horse, the invincible innnnnnnnnovation, again again again again hang on white gate house. i want see tiger prison pass like vs serral!
So, I have a question. What the fuck does this mean?
I recognise 'tiger prison pass like vs serral' as similar to concepts from this thread so I'm guessing he's upset that Innovation did not live up to the hype.
EPT
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