The 48-player group stage of WESG has concluded and the sixteen player playoff bracket has been drawn. The playoffs will begin on Wednesday, Mar 13 7:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).
PtitDrogo, Scarlett, and INnoVation impressed on day two of group stage matches, going 10-0 in their groups and joining MaNa in finishing the group stage with perfect records. Host nation China also earned representation in the playoffs, with ToodMing advancing in second place from his group alongside INnoVation. Rising Chinese star TIME was eliminated by the slimmest of margins, ceding a playoff spot to Rail on the difference of a single map win.
Well, if we're gonna get to see Serral vs. Maru, it's in the finals.
Serral should have a good shot though, I feel like he can overcome Dark once again after he already did it twice last year. Maru will most probably be up against Neeb and Innovation, should be harder.
Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
On March 13 2019 00:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Yeah...with this bracket I'm thinking we're somehow going to be denied Maru vs Serral again. There's just too many things that could go wrong.
Tbh I'm much less interested in Maru vs Serral these days, both of them have been proven mortal and Maru's performance at both IEM and GSL has been especially disappointing.
On March 13 2019 00:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Yeah...with this bracket I'm thinking we're somehow going to be denied Maru vs Serral again. There's just too many things that could go wrong.
Tbh I'm much less interested in Maru vs Serral these days, both of them have been proven mortal and Maru's performance at both IEM and GSL has been especially disappointing.
Still the best possible match here imo, largely because they haven't met in a high stakes situation like this since....well, last WESG.
It'd be interesting to see how things have changed, if at all. Should be roughly even too, Maru is slumping while Serral is sick. They're both probably still the best players in attendance as well.
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
The draw was shown live and completely random. There was no WCS style rigging. So yes, I'm surprised. Or rather disappointed.
He did not avoid Scarlett and Special. He will have to go through them or whomever beats them.
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Reynor has never beaten Serral, and Serral is on the same side of the bracket as both special and scarlett.
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Reynor has never beaten Serral, and Serral is on the same side of the bracket as both special and scarlett.
He said almost beat him. Reynor went 3-2 into 3-4 against Serral so he could take him out in bo5 I guess.
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
Don’t count Scarlett out just yet. She’s beaten Special plenty of times before.
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Yeha, it's disgusting, rigging level luck, how he didnt get his own group-winner or some other 2nd place finishers as his first opponent. And it s revolting how the completly randomly drawn bracket has just the 1 korean isntead of the 2 on his half.
And if that blatant favoritism / luck / cheating wasnt enough, he dodges Lambo as well, i mean untill the finals, cuz our Gemran boy who won literally nothing, gonna surely clean up the lower side of the bracket cuz he seems to be in good form.
Reynor's shape is even relatively worse than Serral's at the moment, I doubt he could win at the moment.
You guys just forgot to say Serral managed to avoid Drogo, SortOf, Rail and Toodming but probably that's because there are only other fifteen players left in the tournament. The upper bracket seems less stacked but it would be foolish to think it's an easy one.
As for the ro16 draw, Serral could have had three hard matchups(the koreans), a challenging one(Scarlett) and three apparently easier opponents(Mana, Drogo, SortOf).
This is actually a really awesome bracket. But I’m pissed by the special/scarlett and Neeb/reynor matchups. Will be fun to watch, but also heartbreaking for me.
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
I mean Mana is a good match for him but at some point "avoid" isn't really a good term, it's not like Reynor/Special/Lambo/Scarlett are bad matchup for Serral. It's kind of like saying that Dark dodge Elazer, sure he lost to him once but Dark would still be a big favorite.
Also: Maru lose before the round of 4 I think. INno may get to the final with a perfect record he has the absolute dream bracket
Serral got a disgustingly good half of the bracket. The players I'd give a good chance of beating him are all on the other half (Maru, INno, Neeb, Reynor). I guess Dark and Scarlett are tough but I don't see him losing a bo5 to either
On March 13 2019 02:38 Fango wrote: Serral got a disgustingly good half of the bracket. The players I'd give a good chance of beating him are all on the other half (Maru, INno, Neeb, Reynor). I guess Dark and Scarlett are tough but I don't see him losing a bo5 to either
Why do i get the vibe from you that you'd be posting this exact same comment if the bracket got mixed up and say, Serral had Inno, Reynor, Neeb on his side and Maru, Dark, Scarlett on the other side?
On March 13 2019 02:38 Fango wrote: Serral got a disgustingly good half of the bracket. The players I'd give a good chance of beating him are all on the other half (Maru, INno, Neeb, Reynor). I guess Dark and Scarlett are tough but I don't see him losing a bo5 to either
Why do i get the vibe from you that you'd be posting this exact same comment if the bracket got mixed up and say, Serral had Inno, Reynor, Neeb on his side and Maru, Dark, Scarlett on the other side?
Well I could see him losing a bo5 to any of Neeb/INno/Maru/Reynor so probably not. Scarlett likes to choke even if her ZvZ style usually does well against Serral. And Dark's ZvZ usually isn't sharp enough to beat him.
On March 13 2019 02:38 Fango wrote: Serral got a disgustingly good half of the bracket. The players I'd give a good chance of beating him are all on the other half (Maru, INno, Neeb, Reynor). I guess Dark and Scarlett are tough but I don't see him losing a bo5 to either
Why do i get the vibe from you that you'd be posting this exact same comment if the bracket got mixed up and say, Serral had Inno, Reynor, Neeb on his side and Maru, Dark, Scarlett on the other side?
That doesn't make sense, considering neeb has swept serral the last 2 times they met so its understandable that neeb is a threat. Inno also defeated him last time they played, and had an exceptionally close series at HSC. Reynor has been close to beating serral before having been up 3-2 in a Bo7 before. Maru is a threat because Maru.
Conversely, Serral wrecked Dark at blizzcon, so he seems less threatening, and Scarlett idk anything specific but overall I think serral would rek scarlett 4/5 series they play.
Overall, I can agree with his original statement and see why someone else would put it forwards.
On March 13 2019 02:38 Fango wrote: Serral got a disgustingly good half of the bracket. The players I'd give a good chance of beating him are all on the other half (Maru, INno, Neeb, Reynor). I guess Dark and Scarlett are tough but I don't see him losing a bo5 to either
Why do i get the vibe from you that you'd be posting this exact same comment if the bracket got mixed up and say, Serral had Inno, Reynor, Neeb on his side and Maru, Dark, Scarlett on the other side?
That doesn't make sense, considering neeb has swept serral the last 2 times they met so its understandable that neeb is a threat. Inno also defeated him last time they played, and had an exceptionally close series at HSC. Reynor has been close to beating serral before having been up 3-2 in a Bo7 before. Maru is a threat because Maru.
Conversely, Serral wrecked Dark at blizzcon, so he seems less threatening, and Scarlett idk anything specific but overall I think serral would rek scarlett 4/5 series they play.
Overall, I can agree with his original statement and see why someone else would put it forwards.
Yeah, some of you people have really selective memory.
Serral beat Inno in a finals for 8k dollars, but that was 3 months ago so who cares, he lost a meaningless game vs him in a group stage at IEM, so that's all we should care about, he s so scary, clearly could take him out easy, so lucky he dindt draw him! And what's this bullshit with Scarlett being a huge threat for him? Based on what exactly? last time they met he smashed Scarlet iirc. Im sure he lost to her sometimes in a distant past (for sure more than 3 months ago, see the sentence above why that s important) Based on that Elazer is also a huge threat to him, cuz he s good in ZvZ and i think has beaten him like a year ago. Same shit wit Reynor, he pushed him to the limit! ONCE and he lost even then, and Reynor himself has been really struggling eversince that 2nd place finish, failed to qualify for multiple events and got knocked out early in others. Dark is in very good shape lately, but he's suddenly a pushower non-adversary cuz he beat him at Blizzcon! Im exaggerating for "comedic effect" but you guys really sound like this to me.
I find it utterly ridiculous how Serral has the one and only hard group in the group stage, and because the totally random bracket selection doenst give him the hardest path imaginable, he s suddenly DODGING people, and he's having bracket luck! Yes he could have drawn a path that looks like> Inno then Neeb then Dark then Maru. He dindt, so what?
You guys are preemptively discrediting his run, so in case he might win you can go "see? told you guys, he s so lucky, people are so overhyping him, he s just keeps getting lucky". Or if he d be eliminated be like "lol, he couldnt even beat Dark who s CLEARLY an underdog, what a patchzerg!
Do you know what else could have happened? 3 koreans and Neeb in the bottom half, him facing Sortof in the first round and the winner of Ptitdrogo/Toodming in the second round. That s one of the at least 10 possible better scenarios that could have happened, since it's randomly drawn bracket 1st vs 2nd seeds. And it didnt, (after a very unlucky group stage draw) he caught a completely normal, not too hard, not too easy path to the finals , where -if he can go that far - he s facing the top dog anyways, so why y'all so butthurt about this supposed bracketluck, it s baffling.
On March 13 2019 03:09 stardog wrote: So as a reward for winning his group MaNa gets Serral and if he pulls a miracle, Dark. Luck wasn't on his side this day.
Used all his luck getting that group unfortunately.
Yeah even though Serral path is not the hardest to the finals (depending on which Dark shows up), he had the only hard group stage and will have to face Dark+Neeb or a good korean in the finals anyways in order to win. If he manages to do that, he won't have stolen his win and that'll crush the doubts we can have after his IEM losses / WESG loss.
Finally the real tournament starts there, before that this tournament was refreshing liquipedia because not a lot of matches were streamed :o. Still amazing to have another international tournament though!
On March 13 2019 02:38 Fango wrote: Serral got a disgustingly good half of the bracket. The players I'd give a good chance of beating him are all on the other half (Maru, INno, Neeb, Reynor). I guess Dark and Scarlett are tough but I don't see him losing a bo5 to either
Why do i get the vibe from you that you'd be posting this exact same comment if the bracket got mixed up and say, Serral had Inno, Reynor, Neeb on his side and Maru, Dark, Scarlett on the other side?
That doesn't make sense, considering neeb has swept serral the last 2 times they met so its understandable that neeb is a threat. Inno also defeated him last time they played, and had an exceptionally close series at HSC. Reynor has been close to beating serral before having been up 3-2 in a Bo7 before. Maru is a threat because Maru.
Conversely, Serral wrecked Dark at blizzcon, so he seems less threatening, and Scarlett idk anything specific but overall I think serral would rek scarlett 4/5 series they play.
Overall, I can agree with his original statement and see why someone else would put it forwards.
Yeah, some of you people have really selective memory.
Serral beat Inno in a finals for 8k dollars, but that was 3 months ago so who cares, he lost a meaningless game vs him in a group stage at IEM, so that's all we should care about, he s so scary, clearly could take him out easy, so lucky he dindt draw him! And what's this bullshit with Scarlett being a huge threat for him? Based on what exactly? last time they met he smashed Scarlet iirc. Im sure he lost to her sometimes in a distant past (for sure more than 3 months ago, see the sentence above why that s important) Based on that Elazer is also a huge threat to him, cuz he s good in ZvZ and i think has beaten him like a year ago. Same shit wit Reynor, he pushed him to the limit! ONCE and he lost even then, and Reynor himself has been really struggling eversince that 2nd place finish, failed to qualify for multiple events and got knocked out early in others. Dark is in very good shape lately, but he's suddenly a pushower non-adversary cuz he beat him at Blizzcon! Im exaggerating for "comedic effect" but you guys really sound like this to me.
I find it utterly ridiculous how Serral has the one and only hard group in the group stage, and because the totally random bracket selection doenst give him the hardest path imaginable, he s suddenly DODGING people, and he's having bracket luck! Yes he could have drawn a path that looks like> Inno then Neeb then Dark then Maru. He dindt, so what?
You guys are preemptively discrediting his run, so in case he might win you can go "see? told you guys, he s so lucky, people are so overhyping him, he s just keeps getting lucky". Or if he d be eliminated be like "lol, he couldnt even beat Dark who s CLEARLY an underdog, what a patchzerg!
Do you know what else could have happened? 3 koreans and Neeb in the bottom half, him facing Sortof in the first round and the winner of Ptitdrogo/Toodming in the second round. That s one of the at least 10 possible better scenarios that could have happened, since it's randomly drawn bracket 1st vs 2nd seeds. And it didnt, (after a very unlucky group stage draw) he caught a completely normal, not too hard, not too easy path to the finals , where -if he can go that far - he s facing the top dog anyways, so why y'all so butthurt about this supposed bracketluck, it s baffling.
Every time I see some fan raving and raging like this, I just try and imagine Serral's face if he ever heard it (or whatever player in question).
On March 13 2019 02:38 Fango wrote: Serral got a disgustingly good half of the bracket. The players I'd give a good chance of beating him are all on the other half (Maru, INno, Neeb, Reynor). I guess Dark and Scarlett are tough but I don't see him losing a bo5 to either
Why do i get the vibe from you that you'd be posting this exact same comment if the bracket got mixed up and say, Serral had Inno, Reynor, Neeb on his side and Maru, Dark, Scarlett on the other side?
That doesn't make sense, considering neeb has swept serral the last 2 times they met so its understandable that neeb is a threat. Inno also defeated him last time they played, and had an exceptionally close series at HSC. Reynor has been close to beating serral before having been up 3-2 in a Bo7 before. Maru is a threat because Maru.
Conversely, Serral wrecked Dark at blizzcon, so he seems less threatening, and Scarlett idk anything specific but overall I think serral would rek scarlett 4/5 series they play.
Overall, I can agree with his original statement and see why someone else would put it forwards.
Yeah, some of you people have really selective memory.
Serral beat Inno in a finals for 8k dollars, but that was 3 months ago so who cares, he lost a meaningless game vs him in a group stage at IEM, so that's all we should care about, he s so scary, clearly could take him out easy, so lucky he dindt draw him! And what's this bullshit with Scarlett being a huge threat for him? Based on what exactly? last time they met he smashed Scarlet iirc. Im sure he lost to her sometimes in a distant past (for sure more than 3 months ago, see the sentence above why that s important) Based on that Elazer is also a huge threat to him, cuz he s good in ZvZ and i think has beaten him like a year ago. Same shit wit Reynor, he pushed him to the limit! ONCE and he lost even then, and Reynor himself has been really struggling eversince that 2nd place finish, failed to qualify for multiple events and got knocked out early in others. Dark is in very good shape lately, but he's suddenly a pushower non-adversary cuz he beat him at Blizzcon! Im exaggerating for "comedic effect" but you guys really sound like this to me.
I find it utterly ridiculous how Serral has the one and only hard group in the group stage, and because the totally random bracket selection doenst give him the hardest path imaginable, he s suddenly DODGING people, and he's having bracket luck! Yes he could have drawn a path that looks like> Inno then Neeb then Dark then Maru. He dindt, so what?
You guys are preemptively discrediting his run, so in case he might win you can go "see? told you guys, he s so lucky, people are so overhyping him, he s just keeps getting lucky". Or if he d be eliminated be like "lol, he couldnt even beat Dark who s CLEARLY an underdog, what a patchzerg!
Do you know what else could have happened? 3 koreans and Neeb in the bottom half, him facing Sortof in the first round and the winner of Ptitdrogo/Toodming in the second round. That s one of the at least 10 possible better scenarios that could have happened, since it's randomly drawn bracket 1st vs 2nd seeds. And it didnt, (after a very unlucky group stage draw) he caught a completely normal, not too hard, not too easy path to the finals , where -if he can go that far - he s facing the top dog anyways, so why y'all so butthurt about this supposed bracketluck, it s baffling.
Every time I see some fan raving and raging like this, I just try and imagine Serral's face if he ever heard it (or whatever player in question).
Reminds me of Saitama and Boros.
you have some very strange ideas about what raging means, but by all means, pretend you re on some moral high-ground. And btw, Im not defending Serral's honor here, im not the one saying he got "bullied"and stuff, im very aware he doesnt give two shits about the haters. I m calling bullshit on some of the posts of my fellow forum members, may i have your permission to do that?
On March 13 2019 02:38 Fango wrote: Serral got a disgustingly good half of the bracket. The players I'd give a good chance of beating him are all on the other half (Maru, INno, Neeb, Reynor). I guess Dark and Scarlett are tough but I don't see him losing a bo5 to either
Why do i get the vibe from you that you'd be posting this exact same comment if the bracket got mixed up and say, Serral had Inno, Reynor, Neeb on his side and Maru, Dark, Scarlett on the other side?
That doesn't make sense, considering neeb has swept serral the last 2 times they met so its understandable that neeb is a threat. Inno also defeated him last time they played, and had an exceptionally close series at HSC. Reynor has been close to beating serral before having been up 3-2 in a Bo7 before. Maru is a threat because Maru.
Conversely, Serral wrecked Dark at blizzcon, so he seems less threatening, and Scarlett idk anything specific but overall I think serral would rek scarlett 4/5 series they play.
Overall, I can agree with his original statement and see why someone else would put it forwards.
Yeah, some of you people have really selective memory.
Serral beat Inno in a finals for 8k dollars, but that was 3 months ago so who cares, he lost a meaningless game vs him in a group stage at IEM, so that's all we should care about, he s so scary, clearly could take him out easy, so lucky he dindt draw him! And what's this bullshit with Scarlett being a huge threat for him? Based on what exactly? last time they met he smashed Scarlet iirc. Im sure he lost to her sometimes in a distant past (for sure more than 3 months ago, see the sentence above why that s important) Based on that Elazer is also a huge threat to him, cuz he s good in ZvZ and i think has beaten him like a year ago. Same shit wit Reynor, he pushed him to the limit! ONCE and he lost even then, and Reynor himself has been really struggling eversince that 2nd place finish, failed to qualify for multiple events and got knocked out early in others. Dark is in very good shape lately, but he's suddenly a pushower non-adversary cuz he beat him at Blizzcon! Im exaggerating for "comedic effect" but you guys really sound like this to me.
I find it utterly ridiculous how Serral has the one and only hard group in the group stage, and because the totally random bracket selection doenst give him the hardest path imaginable, he s suddenly DODGING people, and he's having bracket luck! Yes he could have drawn a path that looks like> Inno then Neeb then Dark then Maru. He dindt, so what?
You guys are preemptively discrediting his run, so in case he might win you can go "see? told you guys, he s so lucky, people are so overhyping him, he s just keeps getting lucky". Or if he d be eliminated be like "lol, he couldnt even beat Dark who s CLEARLY an underdog, what a patchzerg!
Do you know what else could have happened? 3 koreans and Neeb in the bottom half, him facing Sortof in the first round and the winner of Ptitdrogo/Toodming in the second round. That s one of the at least 10 possible better scenarios that could have happened, since it's randomly drawn bracket 1st vs 2nd seeds. And it didnt, (after a very unlucky group stage draw) he caught a completely normal, not too hard, not too easy path to the finals , where -if he can go that far - he s facing the top dog anyways, so why y'all so butthurt about this supposed bracketluck, it s baffling.
Every time I see some fan raving and raging like this, I just try and imagine Serral's face if he ever heard it (or whatever player in question).
Reminds me of Saitama and Boros.
you have some very strange ideas about what raging means, but by all means, pretend you re on some moral high-ground. And btw, Im not defending Serral's honor here, im not the one saying he got "bullied"and stuff, im very aware he doesnt give two shits about the haters. I m calling bullshit on some of the posts of my fellow forum members, may i have your permission to do that?
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 01:35 midhigh wrote:
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
It's funny how Serral's peak form coincides with competition and the state of balance.
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 01:35 midhigh wrote:
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
It's funny how Serral's peak form coincides with competition and the state of balance.
State of balance? Serral was the only Zerg reaching finals after April in 2018. The funny thing is how hard you are trying to diminish his accomplishments!
Low-key excited for potential Serral-Dark rematch...
I just want to hear what the winner has to say after the match. Dark, we know what direction it's gonna go... As for Serral, I can only hope he spices it up after another win ;o
As the fictional pro-wrestling booker for SC2, I think Dark needs this win so he can get more heat as our top heel, thus building more intrigue for events down the line
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 01:35 midhigh wrote:
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
It's funny how Serral's peak form coincides with competition and the state of balance.
State of balance? Serral was the only Zerg reaching finals after April in 2018. The funny thing is how hard you are trying to diminish his accomplishments!
Everybody just calm down it’s pretty obvious the Korean SC2 fans have yet to acknowledge Serral is on their level now if not past it. Personally I like seeing the Circuit catch up. It means more good games to watch!
The Maru Serral argument is still a thing only because we didn’t get to see it at BlizzCon so now it’s this ultimate fan fiction of what might have been: and it’s because Maru choked. Not Serral. Biggest disappointment of the year if you ask me that we didn’t get that. (WESG was on a different balance patch so please spare me that argument).
Instead of complaining incessantly about what should happen, let’s just grab some snacks and see what happens tonight, okay? 😉
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On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 01:35 midhigh wrote:
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
It's funny how Serral's peak form coincides with competition and the state of balance.
State of balance? Serral was the only Zerg reaching finals after April in 2018. The funny thing is how hard you are trying to diminish his accomplishments!
Reynor.
I wrote it today in a previous post, I forgot to add it here. It doesn't especially strenghten your theory, does it?
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 01:35 midhigh wrote:
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
It's funny how Serral's peak form coincides with competition and the state of balance.
State of balance? Serral was the only Zerg reaching finals after April in 2018. The funny thing is how hard you are trying to diminish his accomplishments!
Reynor.
I wrote it today in a previous post, I forgot to add it here. It doesn't especially strenghten your theory, does it?
You need to move the date even more, as DArk reached finals in April. sucks to be you.
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 01:35 midhigh wrote:
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
It's funny how Serral's peak form coincides with competition and the state of balance.
State of balance? Serral was the only Zerg reaching finals after April in 2018. The funny thing is how hard you are trying to diminish his accomplishments!
Reynor.
I wrote it today in a previous post, I forgot to add it here. It doesn't especially strenghten your theory, does it?
You need to move the date even more, as DArk reached finals in April. sucks to be you.
It's not the first time you make me doubt of your reading skills; i wrote AFTER April, my statement is perfectly compatible with Dark reaching the finals IN April.
Not to mention how embarassingly childish "sucks to be you" can sound. Is this for real?
On March 13 2019 07:07 Waxangel wrote: Low-key excited for potential Serral-Dark rematch...
I just want to hear what the winner has to say after the match. Dark, we know what direction it's gonna go... As for Serral, I can only hope he spices it up after another win ;o
As the fictional pro-wrestling booker for SC2, I think Dark needs this win so he can get more heat as our top heel, thus building more intrigue for events down the line
Somebody understands!
Will Serral continue being a nice, calculating guy who's just focused on winning, or is it finally time to twist the knife. Perhaps he'll finally quote the Iron Shiek
Can we just stop for a minute and say this Bracket looks delicious? 😋
I was watching the drawing on TakeTV last night and you should’ve seen how crestfallen the Chinese commentators were when they drew TooDming against Dark 😂
What looks weird to me though is the last two matches won’t be played until Thursday in the Ro16 while everyone else plays tonight. Confusing.
What looks weird to me though is the last two matches won’t be played until Thursday in the Ro16 while everyone else plays tonight. Confusing.
That is weird, i mean im sure they could have squeezed in 4 bo5-s into a single day instead of just the 3.
Six series per day, not three. They have two days to get through the Ro16 and Ro8, and they chose to divide it evenly by number instead of dividing by round.
What looks weird to me though is the last two matches won’t be played until Thursday in the Ro16 while everyone else plays tonight. Confusing.
That is weird, i mean im sure they could have squeezed in 4 bo5-s into a single day instead of just the 3.
Six series per day, not three. They have two days to get through the Ro16 and Ro8, and they chose to divide it evenly by number instead of dividing by round.
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 01:35 midhigh wrote:
On March 13 2019 00:59 sneakyfox wrote: Disappointing that Serral ends op in the other half of the bracket than the two Korean terrans
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
It's funny how Serral's peak form coincides with competition and the state of balance.
State of balance? Serral was the only Zerg reaching finals after April in 2018. The funny thing is how hard you are trying to diminish his accomplishments!
Reynor.
I wrote it today in a previous post, I forgot to add it here. It doesn't especially strenghten your theory, does it?
You need to move the date even more, as DArk reached finals in April. sucks to be you.
It's not the first time you make me doubt of your reading skills; i wrote AFTER April, my statement is perfectly compatible with Dark reaching the finals IN April.
Not to mention how embarassingly childish "sucks to be you" can sound. Is this for real?
Patch 4.3.0 BU 15 May 2018 64469 updates only Terrans Patch 4.2.1 BU 19 March 2018 62848 updates Zerg drops and moves them to lair Patch 4.1.4 BU 29 January 2018 61545 The big rebalance update Patch 4.1.4
So why do you take JUST AND JUST AND ONLY may - december period? All the March & April Zerg successes are completely valid, so no, it's not just Serral, it was Dark, Scarlett & Rogue.
Unless liquipedie is missing a balance batch your arguments are invalid.
Edit> if this is about Zerg rebalancing we can argue about drops but that patch arrived on March 19 while Dark reached finals April 5. No matter how you look at it, April is a valid month from patch view you mentioned earlier.
On March 13 2019 00:10 Tempest wrote: Serral vs Special in semis, and Maru vs Inno in semis.
Then finally, we shall have our Serral vs Maru Finals dream be almost fulfilled, except right before it happens, the power goes out and we have to cancel the Finals match.
Cause ya know, we will never be allowed to have our dream.
We got Maru Serral in a best of series last year. It was Maru 3-0.
You can't even say Serral wasn't in form at that moment as he had won a WCS and finished top 4 at Katowice or that TvZ was Terran favored. (Maru had to cheese out Dark in the last 2 games to win)
On March 13 2019 01:35 midhigh wrote: [quote]
Are you really that surprised? He also avoided Scarlett/Reynor (who many times almost beat him already) and Special, who is the closest thing to a korean Terran. Not to mention Neeb, who already beat him this tournamet (and b4 blizzcon)..And also Lambo, who seems to be in good form.
Playing SpeCial in the ro4 is the same as soO in a GSL finals: a free win.
That game again? It happened when Maru was starting to peak, months before Serral reached his best level; he clearly wasn't even the best zerg in the world at the time while Maru was on the way of becoming the best player in the world.
Everyone would have loved to see them play against at their peak form(which it was the case for bo1 in GSL vs the World; on the other hand, that game didn't have much at stake and didn't happen in a 1v1 tournament).
It's funny how Serral's peak form coincides with competition and the state of balance.
State of balance? Serral was the only Zerg reaching finals after April in 2018. The funny thing is how hard you are trying to diminish his accomplishments!
Reynor.
I wrote it today in a previous post, I forgot to add it here. It doesn't especially strenghten your theory, does it?
You need to move the date even more, as DArk reached finals in April. sucks to be you.
It's not the first time you make me doubt of your reading skills; i wrote AFTER April, my statement is perfectly compatible with Dark reaching the finals IN April.
Not to mention how embarassingly childish "sucks to be you" can sound. Is this for real?
Patch 4.3.0 BU 15 May 2018 64469 updates only Terrans Patch 4.2.1 BU 19 March 2018 62848 updates Zerg drops and moves them to lair Patch 4.1.4 BU 29 January 2018 61545 The big rebalance update Patch 4.1.4
So why do you take JUST AND JUST AND ONLY may - december period? All the March & April Zerg successes are completely valid, so no, it's not just Serral, it was Dark, Scarlett & Rogue.
Unless liquipedie is missing a balance batch your arguments are invalid.
Edit> if this is about Zerg rebalancing we can argue about drops but that patch arrived on March 19 while Dark reached finals April 5. No matter how you look at it, April is a valid month from patch view you mentioned earlier.
So again, Dark counts, sucks to be you.
Senselessness! If you make sensible balance changes regarding one race at least two matchups are affected, thus notably differentiating the pre-patch and the post-patch gameplay.
Dark reached the Super Tournament finals in April(patch 4.21), I wrote after April instead of after May(after 4.30) because no Premier finals were played in May.
You are once more failing to understand what I said and reiterating your ridicolous claim, "sucks to be you", while being wrong.
What looks weird to me though is the last two matches won’t be played until Thursday in the Ro16 while everyone else plays tonight. Confusing.
That is weird, i mean im sure they could have squeezed in 4 bo5-s into a single day instead of just the 3.
Six series per day, not three. They have two days to get through the Ro16 and Ro8, and they chose to divide it evenly by number instead of dividing by round.
Does this seem crazy to anyone else? Three quarters of the top 8 games will be played by people who have had the evening and prior morning to prepare versus specific opponents and 1 of the top 8 matches will be played by tired players who have allready played high profile best of 5s that day and who came to the site not even knowing what races their quarterfinal opponent was playing?
On March 14 2019 01:30 NinjaNight wrote: Are these the only matchups for tonight? If not, Maru and Serral can't meet until the next day at least, right?
PtitDrogo vs Lambo INnoVation vs Rail Serral vs Dark DnS vs Scarlett Maru vs Neeb
All of those + winner of Drogo vs Lambo against winner of Inno vs Rail. The entire Ro8 will be finished.
What looks weird to me though is the last two matches won’t be played until Thursday in the Ro16 while everyone else plays tonight. Confusing.
That is weird, i mean im sure they could have squeezed in 4 bo5-s into a single day instead of just the 3.
Six series per day, not three. They have two days to get through the Ro16 and Ro8, and they chose to divide it evenly by number instead of dividing by round.
Does this seem crazy to anyone else? Three quarters of the top 8 games will be played by people who have had the evening and prior morning to prepare versus specific opponents and 1 of the top 8 matches will be played by tired players who have allready played high profile best of 5s that day and who came to the site not even knowing what races their quarterfinal opponent was playing?
No?
It's a little odd, sure, but crazy seems a bit much to describe playing two Bo5 series in one day. There are plenty of tournaments like HSC and IEM and that demand more games than that. These guys are pros and will have several hours to rest; it's really not a tall order for them.
And let's be real: Inno can easily defeat any two of Rail, Drogo, and Lambo regardless of format.
On March 14 2019 01:30 NinjaNight wrote: Are these the only matchups for tonight? If not, Maru and Serral can't meet until the next day at least, right?
PtitDrogo vs Lambo INnoVation vs Rail Serral vs Dark DnS vs Scarlett Maru vs Neeb
All of those + winner of Drogo vs Lambo against winner of Inno vs Rail. The entire Ro8 will be finished.
What looks weird to me though is the last two matches won’t be played until Thursday in the Ro16 while everyone else plays tonight. Confusing.
That is weird, i mean im sure they could have squeezed in 4 bo5-s into a single day instead of just the 3.
Six series per day, not three. They have two days to get through the Ro16 and Ro8, and they chose to divide it evenly by number instead of dividing by round.
Does this seem crazy to anyone else? Three quarters of the top 8 games will be played by people who have had the evening and prior morning to prepare versus specific opponents and 1 of the top 8 matches will be played by tired players who have allready played high profile best of 5s that day and who came to the site not even knowing what races their quarterfinal opponent was playing?
No?
It's a little odd, sure, but crazy seems a bit much to describe playing two Bo5 series in one day. There are plenty of tournaments like HSC and IEM and that demand more games than that. These guys are pros and will have several hours to rest; it's really not a tall order for them.
And let's be real: Inno can easily defeat any two of Rail, Drogo, and Lambo regardless of format.
i agree, two bo5 in a day is well within the accepted requirments for pros. and ofc this alows for an equal 6 games a day over 2 days, which is more logic viewership wise.
in anycase, it's looks like we'll have maru vs inno and serral vs scarlett in the semis... in which case we'll have TvZ in both finals and 3th place match.
EPT
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PtitDrogo, 
SortOf actually has a good chance to reach the semifinals.
