EPTWhy the WCS Circuit Outshone Code S in 2018 - Page 2
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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MrMischelito
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But I liked this comment: On February 06 2019 11:54 Nakajin wrote: At this point it's hard to put a lot of a lot of emphasis on the championship, I mean what would another GSL really mean to guys like Zest, Maru, INno or Stats? well put. | ||
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Comedy
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The fact of the matter is, that WCS Circuit has produced plenty of epic moments since it's started as a circuit. It is simply a matter of perception. One could very easily find a ton of really poor games from GSL, as well as WCS Circuit, it's just a matter of how you want to see things. WCS Circuit was quite possibly the most hype tournament series SC2 has ever seen thanks to serral's incredible journey. There is no need to make past WCS Circuit players look bad by going into a 'full foreigner' effect. The guys who were doing well before Serral, do not need your judgement nor did they do anything to deserve being looked down upon. WCS Circuit has had great players and great games for years. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
I still highly enjoy watching GSL and WCS only really is interesting in the playoffs and often lacks in quality of play. But the lack of dynamic in the korean SC2 scene is a serious problem. No newcomers to cheer for. No accomplished champion who faces new challenges. Storylines that are defined by events years ago and not just unfolding for the first time. This is why I still think that we need some kind of Code A in Korea. To have such a thing we probably have to sacrifice something we have now. I think this only could be GSL vs the World. This event is probably really costly and those expenses could be used for a well financed code A. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Yeah, the GSL is so stale Innovation managed to get out of the easiest RO16 group in S1 and lose the form for the whole year. (Scarlett, you monster!  ) Neeb managed to get into RO4. Zest managed to get into the finals, was hyped so much and then the shortest final series happened. TY lost to his own build the Code S title. soO made RO4 in the first season and then what? Such a stale Code S that Classic didn't make it into RO16 Season 3. Stats, one of the best Protosses out there, the Season 1 finalist, such a stale hero. Couldn't make it out of RO16 and finished the last in his group in the 2nd season. Such a stalemate. Wow.I mean, c'mon, I am no TL writer but obviously I manage to see some things are different. The only stale thing we have and can bet upon is RO8 Rogue form changing from the future champion into a foreigner(unless he plays Maru ).The code S of 2018 was so stale that out of possible 24 different RO8 players we had 16!!! SIXTEEN different RO8 players in the whole year. And only Maru repeated more than once(Repeated contestants: Maru, Gumi, TY, Zest, Rogue, Classic and Stats) Edit> At the same time out of the 4 WCS circuits we could have 32 different players and we had, prepare the drums, epic diversity of 16 different players. AW YEAH. Not a stale tournament. Nope. No sir. Edit2> Also 4 players repeated more than once. Players who repeated 3 times - Serral(duh), 2 times - Nerchio, Heromarine and Showtime. (this means 4 RO8 and 3 RO8 appearances). While I believe the only player who repeated RO8 more than once in the GSL is Maru(duh)). | ||
Poopi
France12771 Posts
On February 06 2019 18:32 deacon.frost wrote: I read it and it's even worse than the patch zerg thing. Sadly it's a TL official article. Yeah, the GSL is so stale Innovation managed to get out of the easiest RO16 group in S1 and lose the form for the whole year. (Scarlett, you monster! ) Neeb managed to get into RO4. Zest managed to get into the finals, was hyped so much and then the shortest final series happened. TY lost to his own build the Code S title. soO made RO4 in the first season and then what? Such a stale Code S that Classic didn't make it into RO16 Season 3. Stats, one of the best Protosses out there, the Season 1 finalist, such a stale hero. Couldn't make it out of RO16 and finished the last in his group in the 2nd season. Such a stalemate. Wow.I mean, c'mon, I am no TL writer but obviously I manage to see some things are different. The only stale thing we have and can bet upon is RO8 Rogue form changing from the future champion into a foreigner(unless he plays Maru ).The code S of 2018 was so stale that out of possible 24 different RO8 players we had 16!!! SIXTEEN different RO8 players in the whole year. And only Maru repeated more than once(Repeated contestants: Maru, Gumi, TY, Zest, Rogue, Classic and Stats) Edit> At the same time out of the 4 WCS circuits we could have 32 different players and we had, prepare the drums, epic diversity of 16 different players. AW YEAH. Not a stale tournament. Nope. No sir. Yeah, someone definitely needs attention. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
I apologize for so many edits, I'm at work and dividing the time xD | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
On February 06 2019 18:32 deacon.frost wrote: I read it and it's even worse than the patch zerg thing. Sadly it's a TL official article. Yeah, the GSL is so stale Innovation managed to get out of the easiest RO16 group in S1 and lose the form for the whole year. (Scarlett, you monster! ) Neeb managed to get into RO4. Zest managed to get into the finals, was hyped so much and then the shortest final series happened. TY lost to his own build the Code S title. soO made RO4 in the first season and then what? Such a stale Code S that Classic didn't make it into RO16 Season 3. Stats, one of the best Protosses out there, the Season 1 finalist, such a stale hero. Couldn't make it out of RO16 and finished the last in his group in the 2nd season. Such a stalemate. Wow.I mean, c'mon, I am no TL writer but obviously I manage to see some things are different. The only stale thing we have and can bet upon is RO8 Rogue form changing from the future champion into a foreigner(unless he plays Maru ).The code S of 2018 was so stale that out of possible 24 different RO8 players we had 16!!! SIXTEEN different RO8 players in the whole year. And only Maru repeated more than once(Repeated contestants: Maru, Gumi, TY, Zest, Rogue, Classic and Stats) Edit> At the same time out of the 4 WCS circuits we could have 32 different players and we had, prepare the drums, epic diversity of 16 different players. AW YEAH. Not a stale tournament. Nope. No sir. Edit2> Also 4 players repeated more than once. Players who repeated 3 times - Serral(duh), 2 times - Nerchio, Heromarine and Showtime. (this means 4 RO8 and 3 RO8 appearances). While I believe the only player who repeated RO8 more than once in the GSL is Maru(duh)). I think you missed the point of the article a bit. It's not only about the same players advancing every time but just that the storylines get a bit repetitive after so many years with the same set of players. Is another Zest vs Maru final that exciting when both are already multiple time GSL/korean premier champions and we have seen them face off in the GSL countless times already? I enjoy watching GSL 100 times more than WCS and always will but even I have to admit WCS had more interesting storylines last year (Reynor vs Serral finals, Mana and Has' surprise runs. Lambo and Heromarine establishing themselves as top players etc). The novelty factor is just higher there. Yes - Maru winning GSL 3 times in a row was an amazing storyline but that was the only thing that really sticked out story-line-wise last year and looking forward to this year I don't see much changing. I guess Dark or soO winning a GSL or maybe Inno winning the G5L could be very exciting but except that I don't see much potential for new interesting storylines. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3999 Posts
What is more enjoyable is of course a thing of personal preference, and for me WCS has been fun to watch for the last couple of years. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On February 06 2019 20:44 Charoisaur wrote: I think you missed the point of the article a bit. It's not only about the same players advancing every time but just that the storylines get a bit repetitive after so many years with the same set of players. Is another Zest vs Maru final that exciting when both are already multiple time GSL/korean premier champions and we have seen them face off in the GSL countless times already? I enjoy watching GSL 100 times more than WCS and always will but even I have to admit WCS had more interesting storylines this year (Reynor vs Serral finals, Mana and Has' surprise runs. Lambo and Heromarine establishing themselves as top players etc). The novelty factor is just higher there. I rather look for diversity in players than for "novelty" in MaNa(no offense to MaNa, love you mate, but you've been in SC2 forever ). WCS is the stale of those two. I give them credit that WCS sells story better(considering the top player is faceless foreigner ), but that's IMO the problem of media coverage of the Korean SC2 scene IMO.Edit> Thinking about it I'm not sure who gives worst interviews, if Maru or Serral. | ||
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byte-Curious
Mexico107 Posts
On February 06 2019 10:45 Rodya wrote: So basically, the WCS has significantly lower quality games overall, but you think we should still watch it because of... some kind of drama? This reasoning is what we call the EG effect. Selling out the game for some short-term profits through manufactured drama, longevity be damned. | ||
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IArako
Germany195 Posts
The average skill in GSL is still a little higher, but WCS has gotten very close. Serral was definitely the best player of 2018 and multiple players in WCS have brought him to the edge, even if no one managed to beat him, but no korean managed to do that either. I like both tounaments a lot, for the record. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Still, GSL had more exiting moments than people give it credit for because Serral's achievement outshone everything else this year. Maru's first finals in 8 years, that season 1 match against Dark might still be the series of the year in my book. The repeat championship with unrivalled dominance in season 2, and then the tension with how close he came to losing in season 3. Scarlett and Neeb's playoff runs were the first non-korean threat in Code S in forever. Even Reynor's breakout performance was GSL season 3, even if people it being WCS Montreal. | ||
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yht9657
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On February 06 2019 20:56 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: well done Mizenhauer - all 3 of the regular korean elitists have bitten this. What is more enjoyable is of course a thing of personal preference, and for me WCS has been fun to watch for the last couple of years. Kinda hard not to, if you ignore you could say 'Korean elitists so frustrated by the article they do not even comment' if you counter this article with facts you get 'Korean elitist have taken the bait'.... What to do? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 06 2019 22:37 yht9657 wrote: So basically the fact that top WCS players are so bad that they couldn't even guarantee a win over Has makes WCS better than GSL? Makes WCS more entertaining than GSL. For those who only watch to see the highest level play that obviously won't apply. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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Poopi
France12771 Posts
Yeah seeing relatively bad players like Has and MaNa manage to go to the finals was funny to read about, but not necessarily to watch, and the coolest things to watch WCS related were not in the WCS themselves but breakout performances from WCS players in other tournaments against koreans: Serral runs in IEM Katowice and WESG with the revenge on Classic (and ofc BlizzCon / GSL event), Reynor massive upset in GSL against Classic, Scarlett resurgence in IEM Pyongchang, Special miracle win against Classic, HeroMarine who threw games against Zest and sOs, Neeb back to top foreigner with a GSL ro4 appearance. Comparatively in WCS you got a thrilling match between Serral and Reynor (and some close bo5 between Serral and other zergs), other than that I don't remember much from WCS 2018. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On February 06 2019 22:57 Poopi wrote: I can't be the only one who got tired of WCS P/Z fest in later rounds, can I? Yeah seeing relatively bad players like Has and MaNa manage to go to the finals was funny to read about, but not necessarily to watch, and the coolest things to watch WCS related were not in the WCS themselves but breakout performances from WCS players in other tournaments against koreans: Serral runs in IEM Katowice and WESG with the revenge on Classic (and ofc BlizzCon / GSL event), Reynor massive upset in GSL against Classic, Scarlett resurgence in IEM Pyongchang, Special miracle win against Classic, HeroMarine who threw games against Zest and sOs, Neeb back to top foreigner with a GSL ro4 appearance. Comparatively in WCS you got a thrilling match between Serral and Reynor (and some close bo5 between Serral and other zergs), other than that I don't remember much from WCS 2018. WCS ZvZ games between Serral and Reynor, Lambo and Scarlett were some of my favorite series of 2018, Yes, I hated PvZ, but many of the ZvZ were surprisingly fun. | ||
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