EPTChanging the broadcasting platform would be weird considering the whole warchest business is on twitch
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Harris1st
Germany7450 Posts
Changing the broadcasting platform would be weird considering the whole warchest business is on twitch | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
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Valyrian
41 Posts
Spreading the event out GSL style is a really good idea in my opinion and should be thought about more in the Circuit. For casual Starcraft fans it's really hard to build excitement before a WCS event and then being willing to spend basically every waking minute of an entire weekend watching the thing (maybe at ungodly hours depending on your timezone). Doing this with Challenger was a success so why not lean into it. It definitely seems to overall give more bang for the buck and could also introduce the pre-match preparation aspect into the Circuit that we mostly haven't seen there yet. Hard to say what the implication of the reduced points and prize money will be without knowing how they compare to other WCS events. It's possible that with the split between NA and Europe Blizzard does not want to emphasise the outcome of WCS Winter too much because it would benefit "lesser" NA players comparatively to the skill of same place Europe finishers. Having a very evenly spread prize pool also suggests that the tournament is mostly meant to sustain the scene over these months instead of crowning and rewarding a champion, which is fine. Having a critical mass of players is hugely important for the scene and sources of income are otherwise sparse, so it's good that there's a reliable source of income for decent finishers here. Honestly, instead of constant whining about region locks, people who care about the Korean scene should instead advocate for a more even spread of winnings in GSL as well. Being unable to pillage other regions for prize money is not what let the Korean pro scene stagnate, it's the fact that eight players have locked up GSL to divide most prize money among themselves and there is very little incentive to try to enter it. It would be really cool to get new players there but they too need a way to sustain themselves while they get better. | ||
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franzji
United States583 Posts
It is very concerning that Blizzard put off planning of WCS this late. They should have had the circuit planned out with Dreamhack much earlier, or whoever is going to host the Starcraft tournaments this year earlier. This points to one of two things: Blizzard is trying undercut Dreamhack on a price, or Dreamhack is trying to increase the price. That's why the first event is getting canceled. It also might be Blizzard saying "see, we can run our own events without you, now drop the price". I mean, or Blizzard just can't get their shit together and can't plan anything. Or how about a conspiracy theory? The new CEO could be trying to sabotage it. If Starcraft has a bad year this year because of a bad WCS format, the CEO is essentially creating a reason to cut Starcraft next year. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On December 22 2018 02:05 youngjiddle wrote: I wish people looked more deeply into this announcement. It is very concerning that Blizzard put off planning of WCS this late. They should have had the circuit planned out with Dreamhack much earlier, or whoever is going to host the Starcraft tournaments this year earlier. This points to one of two things: Blizzard is trying undercut Dreamhack on a price, or Dreamhack is trying to increase the price. That's why the first event is getting canceled. It also might be Blizzard saying "see, we can run our own events without you, now drop the price". I mean, or Blizzard just can't get their shit together and can't plan anything. Or how about a conspiracy theory? The new CEO could be trying to sabotage it. If Starcraft has a bad year this year because of a bad WCS format, the CEO is essentially creating a reason to cut Starcraft next year. It may be they had plans but they had to be changed relatively recently. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On December 22 2018 02:05 youngjiddle wrote: I wish people looked more deeply into this announcement. It is very concerning that Blizzard put off planning of WCS this late. They should have had the circuit planned out with Dreamhack much earlier, or whoever is going to host the Starcraft tournaments this year earlier. This points to one of two things: Blizzard is trying undercut Dreamhack on a price, or Dreamhack is trying to increase the price. That's why the first event is getting canceled. It also might be Blizzard saying "see, we can run our own events without you, now drop the price". I mean, or Blizzard just can't get their shit together and can't plan anything. Or how about a conspiracy theory? The new CEO could be trying to sabotage it. If Starcraft has a bad year this year because of a bad WCS format, the CEO is essentially creating a reason to cut Starcraft next year. i don't know that it's that people aren't capable of looking deeply, but where is the appetite for the shadowy truth you're hinting at? pretty much anyone who cares to discuss it probably does it here on TL. even if your "conspiracy" is factually correct and we proved it, then what? SC2 may not be dead, but the community is insular and self-obsessed to a fault. what is there to gain by even scrutinizing blizzard's plan for SC2? even if it's a bad plan, what then? are we going to win a nobel prize for esports journalism because we complained on a forum? i just struggle to understand this idea that by shitting on blizzard we're going to accomplish something or save esports or whatever? even if there are plenty of valid criticisms to make i don't really see why people want to die on this hill in 2018/19. it's SC2. i hope SC2 lives for a good long time, but it's never going to ascend and become a top esport. it is what it is. why can't we just be happy it exists? | ||
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Valyrian
41 Posts
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NaRae
Korea (South)48 Posts
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Rodya
546 Posts
On December 21 2018 17:09 shadow4723 wrote: I like the new preparation style format of WCS Winter (like GSL). I just hope ping is not an issue and that region locking of the WCS Curcuit doesn't give problems to the pros China and Mexico are in the same region for the online portion. Of course there will be lag issues. Once again the system is biased in favor of Europeans. | ||
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billynasty
United States260 Posts
On December 22 2018 02:05 youngjiddle wrote: I wish people looked more deeply into this announcement. It is very concerning that Blizzard put off planning of WCS this late. They should have had the circuit planned out with Dreamhack much earlier, or whoever is going to host the Starcraft tournaments this year earlier. This points to one of two things: Blizzard is trying undercut Dreamhack on a price, or Dreamhack is trying to increase the price. That's why the first event is getting canceled. It also might be Blizzard saying "see, we can run our own events without you, now drop the price". I mean, or Blizzard just can't get their shit together and can't plan anything. Or how about a conspiracy theory? The new CEO could be trying to sabotage it. If Starcraft has a bad year this year because of a bad WCS format, the CEO is essentially creating a reason to cut Starcraft next year. Is it as concerning as last year, when they made 2018's announcement on the very same day? Making the announcement exactly 1 year from the previous years announcement kinda makes sense, does it not? Link from the WCS 2018 announcement, on December 19th 2017: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/529572-wcs-2018-details-revealed I wish people looked more deeply into their own posts lol | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 22 2018 10:35 Rodya wrote: China and Mexico are in the same region for the online portion. Of course there will be lag issues. Once again the system is biased in favor of Europeans. You wanted chinese to play with koreans? Quite sure they lag less in NA than in EU. I fail to see how this is biased in favor of europeans, considering they were the favourites ; if anything, it's unfair to chinese. | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore910 Posts
On December 22 2018 11:51 billynasty wrote: Is it as concerning as last year, when they made 2018's announcement on the very same day? Making the announcement exactly 1 year from the previous years announcement kinda makes sense, does it not? Link from the WCS 2018 announcement, on December 19th 2017: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/529572-wcs-2018-details-revealed I wish people looked more deeply into their own posts lol I guess you can say that of yourself then. The announcement for last year had details for the entire wcs for 2018. All events and their details. This year's announcement only announced details for 1 event. I am not saying there is a conspiracy, but it is obvious that things are going to be different this year and most likely a scale back from last year. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
On December 22 2018 02:05 youngjiddle wrote: I wish people looked more deeply into this announcement. It is very concerning that Blizzard put off planning of WCS this late. They should have had the circuit planned out with Dreamhack much earlier, or whoever is going to host the Starcraft tournaments this year earlier. This points to one of two things: Blizzard is trying undercut Dreamhack on a price, or Dreamhack is trying to increase the price. That's why the first event is getting canceled. It also might be Blizzard saying "see, we can run our own events without you, now drop the price". I mean, or Blizzard just can't get their shit together and can't plan anything. Or how about a conspiracy theory? The new CEO could be trying to sabotage it. If Starcraft has a bad year this year because of a bad WCS format, the CEO is essentially creating a reason to cut Starcraft next year. You are looking way too deep into the announcement. Blizzard often announces the structure of WCS in late December like how many WCS events and how many GSL. They tend to allow the more details a bit later later the New Year holiday, This year is a bit different due to the unfortunate event of HGC and other financial problems they may have. They are not gonna host WCS as standalone events because that is very expensive unless they host in their studio in LA. We all expect a bit of a scale-down in term of finance for this year given they just outright canceled HGC. So if they cut one WCS stop and make it online event and reduce the prize pool, that is very much expected. They may do the same for GSL as well. At least we have another year of WCS to enjoy. Look at what happened to Heroes, we shouldn't take anything for granted. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On December 22 2018 10:35 Rodya wrote: China and Mexico are in the same region for the online portion. Of course there will be lag issues. Once again the system is biased in favor of Europeans. And I was going to say that they region locked europe out so europeans cannot win most of the prize pool money like they have been  Even the combined NA+others is weaker than EU :D | ||
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Xamo
Spain886 Posts
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On December 24 2018 20:06 Dingodile wrote: If this is truly the last year then I need a "new" esport game to follow (tournaments etc) next year. 1v1 and no card games, any idea? It won't be the last year, but if it is, wc3 reforged should be out already. | ||
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sunnyshine
Australia63 Posts
On December 24 2018 20:06 Dingodile wrote: If this is truly the last year then I need a "new" esport game to follow (tournaments etc) next year. 1v1 and no card games, any idea? Fighting games is a good place to start, no pointless affirmative action. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 24 2018 20:48 Musicus wrote: It won't be the last year, but if it is, wc3 reforged should be out already. I'm curious what kind of reality you would have to imagine for SC2 to be 'dead' but WC3:R 'alive'. | ||
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