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dummy1
Profile Blog Joined April 2018
420 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 19:02:28
December 20 2018 19:01 GMT
#21
Basically, we live. It's good. But it was scale down. Ouch.
https://www.youtube.com/c/DepressingStarcraft <- Maru VODs and stuff | END REGION-LOCK NOW
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 19:10:42
December 20 2018 19:08 GMT
#22
That prize pool distribution is quite interesting. WCS Circuit prize pool distribution has never been top heavy (which is good) but in this WCS Winter tournament I think its getting too far. 12k vs 8k?
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
December 20 2018 19:12 GMT
#23
On December 21 2018 04:08 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That prize pool distribution is quite interesting. WCS Circuit prize pool distribution has never been top heavy (which is good) but in this WCS Winter tournament I think its getting too far. 12k vs 8k?


There is a big difference in points. This way the runner up may live to fight another day.
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ClaudeSc2
Profile Joined May 2014
United States73 Posts
December 20 2018 19:30 GMT
#24
I'm very happy Blizzard is supporting SC2 in any way still. They are pumping money into a game that isn't getting the kind of ROI large game developers know how to draw, and are keeping the professional scene alive because they care about the game. Looking forward to the content.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
December 20 2018 19:33 GMT
#25
On December 21 2018 04:12 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 04:08 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That prize pool distribution is quite interesting. WCS Circuit prize pool distribution has never been top heavy (which is good) but in this WCS Winter tournament I think its getting too far. 12k vs 8k?


There is a big difference in points. This way the runner up may live to fight another day.


1600 vs 1100 now versus 2018 WCS circuit 3000 vs 1400

So not only prize money is less top heavy, WCS points are also
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 20:03:24
December 20 2018 19:42 GMT
#26
Well, we're alive. But seeing as this is already cancellation of 1 stop and mostly online only, and no info on further stuff, it will be a more scarce year for sure . And Korea will be nervous getting nothing...

I guess the positive thing for top32 players is way more chances, double elimination and round robin is more forgiving than 2018 format.

The weird top6 bracket of doom format is interesting though. I wonder if Serral wil aim for 6th place just so he can personally wipe everyone out lol. Needs to challenge himself somehow.
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ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 19:59:43
December 20 2018 19:49 GMT
#27
What about the challenger scene?
WCS Leipzig is cut all together?

The WCS winter event Lan finals are not scheduled, 4-6 weeks away without a date/location?
0 Informations from korea, merry christmas to all the korean progamers that are left!

No longterm goals, this is what we want to achive with starcraft in 2019. Looking back/ personal highlights of the esports team at blizzard ...
Overall structure next year?
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
December 20 2018 19:54 GMT
#28
So... What is Blizzard's plan for WCS? Hold seasonal events?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 20 2018 20:01 GMT
#29
Next year the WCS will be streamed live at wcs.starcraft2.com


Interesting tidbit. Does this mean no twitch? Or will it just be an embed? I like how the WCS site already has a next broadcast countdown though... of 41 days

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dummy1
Profile Blog Joined April 2018
420 Posts
December 20 2018 20:02 GMT
#30
Zero information from Korea. Zero fkcing information from Korea. It's scary. I feel like this is a trick. More details only in the new year.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16968 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 20:32:05
December 20 2018 20:31 GMT
#31
On December 21 2018 05:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
Next year the WCS will be streamed live at wcs.starcraft2.com


Interesting tidbit. Does this mean no twitch?

my guess is that WCS is on MLGNetwork.

for 3 years now MLGNetwork has been listed as a "Strategic Initiative" by ATVI. WHich is a polite way of saying MLGNetwork is a FirePit where ATVI can throw money and watch it burn. My guess is ATVI wants to make MLGNetwork profitable; putting WCS on MLGNetwork is one step upwards along the stairway to heaven of profitability.
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Lanthdoral
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany7 Posts
December 20 2018 20:39 GMT
#32
yeah finally some news coming out.

hmm, 8 qualified from KR/Asia Server + 4 from China + Ladder NA TOP 8 + 12 qualified from NA server.

so hows the round of 32 - round of 8? on NA server played? so basically Asia/China/Oceania players will suffer the lags.
MrWayne
Profile Joined December 2016
219 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 20:58:18
December 20 2018 20:50 GMT
#33
So they've downscaled WCS or at least the first WCS event. Compared to Leipzig last year, it is 30-40k less if you include all qualifiers.
The format Itself is very interesting. I like that they spread the prize pool even more between 64 players in total compared to 32 last year. What I don't like is that they basically separate Europe from the rest of the world(region lock REEEEEE :-P), at least the top 16 could face off to determine the best player outside koreas.
I think the players who will benefit from this are EuroPros who aren't consistently top 16 and the whole NA scene and the ones who get shafted are the top EuroPros and the players from China/SEA/LA etc.

Also this is probably bad news for some WCS casters, They already had almost to many casters in 2018 and this online format requires even less than a offline event.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
December 20 2018 20:51 GMT
#34
We still esport at least
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Lanthdoral
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany7 Posts
December 20 2018 20:57 GMT
#35
On December 21 2018 05:50 MrWayne wrote:
So they've downscaled WCS or at least the first WCS event. Compared to Leipzig last year, it is 30-40k less if you include all qualifiers.
The format Itself is very interesting. I like that they spread the prize pool even more between 64 players in total compared to 32 last year. What I don't like is that they basically separate Europe from the rest of the world(regin look REEEEEE :-P), at least the top 16 could face off to determine the best player outside koreas.
I think the players who will benefit from this are EuroPros who aren't consistently top 16 and the whole NA scene and the ones who get shafted are the top EuroPros and the players from China/SEA/LA etc.

Also this is probably bad news for some WCS casters, They already had almost to many casters in 2018 and this online format requires even less than a offline event.


yea, basically its REGION-LOCK 2.0

Region EU, Region NA and Region KR
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16008 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 21:11:43
December 20 2018 21:08 GMT
#36
On December 21 2018 05:57 Lanthdoral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 05:50 MrWayne wrote:
So they've downscaled WCS or at least the first WCS event. Compared to Leipzig last year, it is 30-40k less if you include all qualifiers.
The format Itself is very interesting. I like that they spread the prize pool even more between 64 players in total compared to 32 last year. What I don't like is that they basically separate Europe from the rest of the world(regin look REEEEEE :-P), at least the top 16 could face off to determine the best player outside koreas.
I think the players who will benefit from this are EuroPros who aren't consistently top 16 and the whole NA scene and the ones who get shafted are the top EuroPros and the players from China/SEA/LA etc.

Also this is probably bad news for some WCS casters, They already had almost to many casters in 2018 and this online format requires even less than a offline event.


yea, basically its REGION-LOCK 2.0

Region EU, Region NA and Region KR

This was 100% necessary. There was almost no motivation for an NA player to go pro when in every tournament they get immediately beaten by some faceless european.
Now they have an incentive to improve.

Can't wait for the gap to be closed. My only problem with the system is that I think NA players should be allowed to play in EU tournaments if they want to (but not vice versa) because it would add to the hype.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
December 20 2018 21:24 GMT
#37
On December 21 2018 06:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 05:57 Lanthdoral wrote:
On December 21 2018 05:50 MrWayne wrote:
So they've downscaled WCS or at least the first WCS event. Compared to Leipzig last year, it is 30-40k less if you include all qualifiers.
The format Itself is very interesting. I like that they spread the prize pool even more between 64 players in total compared to 32 last year. What I don't like is that they basically separate Europe from the rest of the world(regin look REEEEEE :-P), at least the top 16 could face off to determine the best player outside koreas.
I think the players who will benefit from this are EuroPros who aren't consistently top 16 and the whole NA scene and the ones who get shafted are the top EuroPros and the players from China/SEA/LA etc.

Also this is probably bad news for some WCS casters, They already had almost to many casters in 2018 and this online format requires even less than a offline event.


yea, basically its REGION-LOCK 2.0

Region EU, Region NA and Region KR

This was 100% necessary. There was almost no motivation for an NA player to go pro when in every tournament they get immediately beaten by some faceless european.
Now they have an incentive to improve.

Can't wait for the gap to be closed. My only problem with the system is that I think NA players should be allowed to play in EU tournaments if they want to (but not vice versa) because it would add to the hype.



I know you mean like Neeb, Scarlett, Special, etc. playing with the europeans... but as a rule, it would be extremely unfair (...and not the first rule like that).

Anyway, we get almost the same amount of SC2, but they cut HUGE costs with the removal of a big event like WCS Leipzig. Less hype and "glamour", but if that is the cost of keeping SC2 like this, we are good.

Really hoping they stream in Twitch though... viewership rises hugely and they change the streaming platform like this? best way to freeze that rise tbh.


MrWayne
Profile Joined December 2016
219 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 21:28:32
December 20 2018 21:27 GMT
#38
On December 21 2018 06:24 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 06:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 21 2018 05:57 Lanthdoral wrote:
On December 21 2018 05:50 MrWayne wrote:
So they've downscaled WCS or at least the first WCS event. Compared to Leipzig last year, it is 30-40k less if you include all qualifiers.
The format Itself is very interesting. I like that they spread the prize pool even more between 64 players in total compared to 32 last year. What I don't like is that they basically separate Europe from the rest of the world(regin look REEEEEE :-P), at least the top 16 could face off to determine the best player outside koreas.
I think the players who will benefit from this are EuroPros who aren't consistently top 16 and the whole NA scene and the ones who get shafted are the top EuroPros and the players from China/SEA/LA etc.

Also this is probably bad news for some WCS casters, They already had almost to many casters in 2018 and this online format requires even less than a offline event.


yea, basically its REGION-LOCK 2.0

Region EU, Region NA and Region KR

This was 100% necessary. There was almost no motivation for an NA player to go pro when in every tournament they get immediately beaten by some faceless european.
Now they have an incentive to improve.

Can't wait for the gap to be closed. My only problem with the system is that I think NA players should be allowed to play in EU tournaments if they want to (but not vice versa) because it would add to the hype.



I know you mean like Neeb, Scarlett, Special, etc. playing with the europeans... but as a rule, it would be extremely unfair (...and not the first rule like that).

Anyway, we get almost the same amount of SC2, but they cut HUGE costs with the removal of a big event like WCS Leipzig. Less hype and "glamour", but if that is the cost of keeping SC2 like this, we are good.

Really hoping they stream in Twitch though... viewership rises hugely and they change the streaming platform like this? best way to freeze that rise tbh.



yeah hopefully it's just an embedded Twitch Stream on their website.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 20 2018 21:30 GMT
#39
On December 21 2018 06:24 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 06:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 21 2018 05:57 Lanthdoral wrote:
On December 21 2018 05:50 MrWayne wrote:
So they've downscaled WCS or at least the first WCS event. Compared to Leipzig last year, it is 30-40k less if you include all qualifiers.
The format Itself is very interesting. I like that they spread the prize pool even more between 64 players in total compared to 32 last year. What I don't like is that they basically separate Europe from the rest of the world(regin look REEEEEE :-P), at least the top 16 could face off to determine the best player outside koreas.
I think the players who will benefit from this are EuroPros who aren't consistently top 16 and the whole NA scene and the ones who get shafted are the top EuroPros and the players from China/SEA/LA etc.

Also this is probably bad news for some WCS casters, They already had almost to many casters in 2018 and this online format requires even less than a offline event.


yea, basically its REGION-LOCK 2.0

Region EU, Region NA and Region KR

This was 100% necessary. There was almost no motivation for an NA player to go pro when in every tournament they get immediately beaten by some faceless european.
Now they have an incentive to improve.

Can't wait for the gap to be closed. My only problem with the system is that I think NA players should be allowed to play in EU tournaments if they want to (but not vice versa) because it would add to the hype.



I know you mean like Neeb, Scarlett, Special, etc. playing with the europeans... but as a rule, it would be extremely unfair (...and not the first rule like that).

Anyway, we get almost the same amount of SC2, but they cut HUGE costs with the removal of a big event like WCS Leipzig. Less hype and "glamour", but if that is the cost of keeping SC2 like this, we are good.

Really hoping they stream in Twitch though... viewership rises hugely and they change the streaming platform like this? best way to freeze that rise tbh.



No, he mocks this region lock with how the Korean is based, where foreigners can take money off Korea but not vice versa

Anyway, my expectation based on the silence about GSL

No Code S next year, we get WCS Korea from now on
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-20 21:45:19
December 20 2018 21:41 GMT
#40
Any degree of scaling back was never going to surprise me, regardless of the year. WCS has always seemed rather expensive compared to the viewership, even if things improved in 2018 ($2M total prize money for an individual esport put it in pretty rarefied air). Despite that, I'm still a little disappointed to see it actually happen. Oh well, if you want to look at it on the bright side, we get a few weeks of appointment-viewing StarCraft, and not just one marathon weekend (pretty grueling to watch for the non-hardcore fans).
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