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Introducing WCS Winter 2019 - Page 3

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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 20 2018 21:49 GMT
#41
The downscaling sucks of course, but was somewhat expected. It'll be interesting to see some more preparation work from foreigners.
Pedro1
Profile Joined April 2015
Brazil40 Posts
December 20 2018 22:11 GMT
#42
We get to live another daay. I was so pessimistic around 2016, to see we getting an other year is nice
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 20 2018 22:35 GMT
#43
Honestly minor downscaling, but the replacement seems really interesting and I'm excited for the roundrobin
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
December 20 2018 23:19 GMT
#44
On December 21 2018 03:56 KappaKingPrime wrote:
It's somewhat weird, that this time there is nothing about Korea, usually they announce everything. I wounder if it's good or bad.


Korea in 2019

We’re currently putting the finishing touches on our 2019 plans for WCS Korea. Look for more details in the new year for the region that started it all.

And I do agree with iNcontroL: If the region lock is removed from Korea DESPITE Serral, StarCraft 2 will die under current circumstances. This is only a viable conversation if and when WCS Circuit players start taking matches from Koreans about 50-50. The region lock is a good thing and we should stop clamoring for it to be released. It only hurts the overall scene for the game and while Korea has most of the talent, the rest of the world brings in the viewership.
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
December 20 2018 23:39 GMT
#45
Hmm. On one hand, it's kinda disappointing and something about the NA and EU and prize/points pool feels awkward, on the other hand it's kinda intriguing. Now I really want to see the full picture for 2019.

I wish we had good videos (or at least good infographics) for announcements like this. Videos once in a blue moon for War Chests and Commanders, why not announcements like these? Or a few more official videos in general, maybe not quite as often as other games get them (WoW, Heroes) but just a little teensy bit more often for important stuff?
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-21 00:16:52
December 21 2018 00:15 GMT
#46
So no Korea news yet... I guess that means GSL Season 1 isn't starting up anytime soon. Really hope they can work something out with Afreeca. The Korean players must be getting nervous.
Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
December 21 2018 00:20 GMT
#47
I have no clue what to make of this. Is that a good or bad sign? Anyways, it's just really frikken late like always. These are big companies. Why can't they plan a bit more in advance? Blizzard please.
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 21 2018 00:25 GMT
#48
On December 21 2018 06:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 05:57 Lanthdoral wrote:
On December 21 2018 05:50 MrWayne wrote:
So they've downscaled WCS or at least the first WCS event. Compared to Leipzig last year, it is 30-40k less if you include all qualifiers.
The format Itself is very interesting. I like that they spread the prize pool even more between 64 players in total compared to 32 last year. What I don't like is that they basically separate Europe from the rest of the world(regin look REEEEEE :-P), at least the top 16 could face off to determine the best player outside koreas.
I think the players who will benefit from this are EuroPros who aren't consistently top 16 and the whole NA scene and the ones who get shafted are the top EuroPros and the players from China/SEA/LA etc.

Also this is probably bad news for some WCS casters, They already had almost to many casters in 2018 and this online format requires even less than a offline event.


yea, basically its REGION-LOCK 2.0

Region EU, Region NA and Region KR

This was 100% necessary. There was almost no motivation for an NA player to go pro when in every tournament they get immediately beaten by some faceless european.
Now they have an incentive to improve.

Can't wait for the gap to be closed. My only problem with the system is that I think NA players should be allowed to play in EU tournaments if they want to (but not vice versa) because it would add to the hype.


Charoisaur is a world class troll!
That's impressive but nothing compared to him worshipping Serral for a week after BlizzCon xD

Blizzard tells us Region Lock is THE WAY; I'm not sure separating EU from the rest of the world is appropriate, even If it might be limited to WCS Winter and actual offline WCS events could be the same as 2017/2018 ones.

Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
December 21 2018 00:38 GMT
#49
On December 21 2018 08:19 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 03:56 KappaKingPrime wrote:
It's somewhat weird, that this time there is nothing about Korea, usually they announce everything. I wounder if it's good or bad.


Korea in 2019

We’re currently putting the finishing touches on our 2019 plans for WCS Korea. Look for more details in the new year for the region that started it all.

And I do agree with iNcontroL: If the region lock is removed from Korea DESPITE Serral, StarCraft 2 will die under current circumstances. This is only a viable conversation if and when WCS Circuit players start taking matches from Koreans about 50-50. The region lock is a good thing and we should stop clamoring for it to be released. It only hurts the overall scene for the game and while Korea has most of the talent, the rest of the world brings in the viewership.

Yeah, it's not like white people like to watch Koreans play or anything...

I'm white and I have never watched a single "WCS stop" match (as in, the foreigner-only tournaments that have existed the last couple years). I don't know where you get your data from if you're saying that people would stop watching tournaments if there were only 2-3 white people out of 16 attending. That was never a problem in the past.
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
December 21 2018 00:53 GMT
#50
It is a good new.
We will not stay up too late for weekend Tournaments.
And we can see more players.
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
December 21 2018 00:58 GMT
#51
Alive game BOAH!
Cant wait to see Korea announcment
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
December 21 2018 02:52 GMT
#52
I like some aspects of the concept (more games over longer period of time) but it's a shame that top Americans probably won't have the opportunity to play against top Europeans. I'm guessing they did this for logistical reasons because having one really big stage at a venue is probably really expensive.
Tommy131313
Profile Joined May 2016
Germany157 Posts
December 21 2018 04:27 GMT
#53
On December 21 2018 09:20 Jj_82 wrote:
I have no clue what to make of this. Is that a good or bad sign? Anyways, it's just really frikken late like always. These are big companies. Why can't they plan a bit more in advance? Blizzard please.



I think it's mostly a good sign. Obviously having some changes scares some guys a lot. As usual...
Of course it's sad for the Leipzig event. But hey, it's esport, it's not that much relying on regional fans but on global viewership!

And honestly, Blizzard not telling all the plans for 2019 doesn't mean they have none. You get a lot more excitement when releasing news over some time, bit by bit...
Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
December 21 2018 04:39 GMT
#54
The delay on GSL announcement would probably mean two things.

1. Blizzard and Afreeca can't agree on the terms for GSL 2019.

2. GSL season 1 is most likely going to be delayed. Qualifiers for season 1 2018 started on 26th Dec 2017.

Neither are good signs, and i would predict that GSL is getting a much bigger scale back than WCS.
Hit me up if you need chinese translations. soO fighting !!
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
December 21 2018 04:44 GMT
#55
Well, people may overact to lacking of GSL news. AfreecaTV and Blizzard have been carrying Korean SC2 scene singlehandedly and it costs a lot of money. Need to take time to work out details. I expect Super Tournaments to be gone and GSL format will be changed to be a shorter and include some online components somehow to reduce production cost. They made an effort to keep WCS. I doubt they would kill GSL.
dummy1
Profile Blog Joined April 2018
420 Posts
December 21 2018 05:59 GMT
#56
LUL EU was locked up. The Final between Serral and (a guy who's helped him in custom games). Better to run to play GSL.
https://www.youtube.com/c/DepressingStarcraft <- Maru VODs and stuff | END REGION-LOCK NOW
shadow4723
Profile Joined October 2018
87 Posts
December 21 2018 08:09 GMT
#57
I like the new preparation style format of WCS Winter (like GSL). I just hope ping is not an issue and that region locking of the WCS Curcuit doesn't give problems to the pros
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 21 2018 08:19 GMT
#58
On December 21 2018 08:19 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2018 03:56 KappaKingPrime wrote:
It's somewhat weird, that this time there is nothing about Korea, usually they announce everything. I wounder if it's good or bad.


Korea in 2019

We’re currently putting the finishing touches on our 2019 plans for WCS Korea. Look for more details in the new year for the region that started it all.

And I do agree with iNcontroL: If the region lock is removed from Korea DESPITE Serral, StarCraft 2 will die under current circumstances. This is only a viable conversation if and when WCS Circuit players start taking matches from Koreans about 50-50. The region lock is a good thing and we should stop clamoring for it to be released. It only hurts the overall scene for the game and while Korea has most of the talent, the rest of the world brings in the viewership.

FFS why the people can see only removing the region lock... it's not JUST REMOVE REGIONLOCK!!$!%!%!@%!@%! HURR DURR!!!!!

Holy Batman on a nuclear powered pogo stick ><

If there's no protection of Korea the Korean scene will die. But since the SC2 scene will die anyway soon it probably doesn't matter now.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
uummpaa
Profile Joined July 2018
238 Posts
December 21 2018 09:01 GMT
#59
all in all pretty dissapointing, considering this year broke all sorts of viewer records.

but hey, at least they show some sort of humor with the region lock for serral (or EU if you wish), now all that is missing is to keep GSL (if still existing) ooen for everybody and their mom, you know cause hypocrisy isn't a thing

thank god for some independent people like IEM, TakeTv and oGaming who provide some not-at-all locked tournaments to enjoy for the viewers
litLikeBic
Profile Joined August 2018
Canada105 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-21 09:04:35
December 21 2018 09:04 GMT
#60
On December 21 2018 03:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Announcements are pretty late in arriving because they had to get approved by the new CEO of Blizzard Entertainment. Whoever that is. I got $50 that says it ain't an electrical engineer.

User was temp banned for this post.

why would being an electrical engineer bear any relevance? your temp ban was deserved for such a silly comment
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