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Neeb: A Greater Hunt - Road to BlizzCon 2018 (#10)

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Neeb: A Greater Hunt - Road to BlizzCon 2018 (#10)

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Graphics by3StrakGames
October 19th, 2018 15:43 GMT
Photo: Blizzard
Neeb
Alex Sunderhaft
Ting

A Greater Hunt

by Soularion


Neeb's status as the greatest foreign player in Legacy of the Void was uncontested until Serral began his meteoric ascent. It should be telling that at this point, he has already been the 'foreign hope' at BlizzCon twice. Both times a foreigner made the semifinals. Neither time was it him. Despite looking great ahead of both his Global Finals appearances, Neeb has not been able to bridge the gap between the good opponents and the legitimately amazing ones. He has lost sets to Dark, soO and Rogue, three of Korea’s very best, and while he has looked competitive at times, he’s also been utterly outplanned, outplayed, outmatched. For all his achievements prior, BlizzCon has seen Neeb at his absolute worst.

Neeb has never done all that well with weight on his shoulders. He excels as the underdog, not as the favorite. When he first came into prominence in 2016, he was "that guy with the firetruck picture", maybe "that guy who used to play Terran", maybe "that guy who made the Ro16 in WCS America once... I think?". He wasn't exactly unknown, but neither was he a credible threat to anything. One of StarCraft II's ghosts - a player that is considerable, but rarely more. Not until he started winning online sets against Polt and Hydra (and eventually transitioned that talent to offline results) did the tune really begin to change. We all know the story of his rise at KeSPA Cup, becoming the first foreigner in over a decade to win a tournament on Korean soil, and doing so with the odds stacked so heavily against him. Even the caveats people reasonably attach to that performance (that it was dominated by a single matchup – PvP – and didn’t feature as great of opposition as it perhaps could have) pale compared to the incredible fact that a foreigner had actually won a tournament of that caliber. And he did it all as the underdog, every step of the way.

Then, gifted with the blessing and the curse of now being the most successful player in the west, he lost at BlizzCon. While the set against Dark stands out as an example of how outclassed he was by the very best, it’s worth noting that his exalted PvP failed in groups, as he struggled with Patience and dropped a set to Zest. In 2017, the fickle grew skeptical of Neeb. he wasn’t the same monster online, he faltered in groups at IEM Katowice, and even when he won his first WCS championship (!) it wasn’t without faults. In that year, Neeb succeeded because of an almost unheard-of clutch factor; in do-or-die games, he found his voodoo - when on the line, he showed that he could still pull through, he just needed to be pushed to the brink in order to do it. It wasn’t that Neeb was some dominating force the way Serral was. He struggled. He just persevered.

Well. Okay. In all fairness, there was certainly one event where Neeb was a dominating force; WCS Montreal, where he went 17-2 on route to a third championship in four years. But that’s only one side of the coin. In the same time frame, he lost out in Code A, expelled at the hands of Hurricane, one of the year’s most hilarious upsets and a set which Korean purists forever hold up as a glowing example of even the best foreigners falling short. He faltered in BlizzCon, too; while his style worked at first and he was able to win a supreme lategame fight against Rogue, the soO/Rogue duo figured his style out and read him like a book in later sets. All of WCS was on Neeb’s shoulders last year, and when the games got tense, he couldn’t find a way to win.


Rank


#4
WCS Standings

WCS Points


2910

2018 Season Stats*


107–45 (70.39%) vs. Terran
73–36 (66.97%) vs. Protoss
184–78 (70.23%) vs. Zerg
*Via Aligulac.com. Matches between 2017-11-15 and 2018-10-16.


That brings us to 2018. Somehow, Neeb has gone from winning three WCS championships to a single semifinals appearance. At that, he has been routinely mediocre against Koreans (posting a 49% winrate against them, on the year), yet is still in potentially the best position going into BlizzCon that he ever has been in. All of this is due to his run at GSL Season 3, a run which perfectly epitomizes Neeb as a player and summarizes why he is so eternally frustrating yet brimming with potential at every turn.

It’s easy to look at that run – which saw him lose to Maru and Dark in very, very one-sided sets – and disqualify it on the basis of facing 'easier' opponents; he beat aLive, Losira, Impact, and Reynor in order to make the quarterfinals. None of those players made BlizzCon. None of the Korean ones even came close, with only Impact having a notable year at all.

At the same time, he had planted a seed. He lost to Impact at IEM Katowice, after all, and he lost to aLive at the same event the year prior. Combine this with his loss to Hurricane in 2017’s GSL Code A, and his near-loss to Pet which would’ve completely spoiled his miraculous run at KeSPA Cup, alongside dropping games in his best match-up to Patience at BlizzCon 2016, and Neeb has had a clear pattern of losing to players beneath his level, or at least making things far sloppier than they should be. To see him play with confidence and eliminate those firmly beneath him was a welcome sight, and yet, without his performance in the quarterfinals, would’ve been easily forgotten.

It was there that Neeb faced off against Rogue in a rematch of both BlizzCon 2017, where Neeb was eliminated at Rogue’s hands, and the finals of Hangzhou Carnival, easily one of the most confusing events of the year. In Hangzhou, Neeb defeated HerO(jOin) and Rogue only for the entire community to be conflicted on whether or not to care about it. At GSL, with everyone watching, with the community waiting to see Neeb crumble once again at the hands of a champion, it was that other Neeb we were treated to. Dominant Neeb. And this time, people certainly cared.

Not only was Neeb in his best form of the year by far, displaying convincing and consistent play that easily swatted away some poorly planned aggression from Rogue, but he was doing so on the greatest stage a Starcraft player could possibly do it on. Look at all of the comments made after foreigners succeed, be it at KeSPA Cup for Neeb or GSL vs the World for Serral; ‘It isn’t Code S’. The GSL's flagship tournament is the very peak of competition, the 8-year beating heart of the Korean scene, and Neeb made his mark on it. He became the first foreigner since Jinro in 2011, who did so in competitive scene so different as to be unrecognizable today, to make the Code S semifinals.

In 2016 and 2017, Neeb played the role of the generic foreign hope. Yes, he played fantastically; yes, he dominated domestically; yes, he showed flashes (and sometimes entire tournaments) of brilliance, even against Koreans. But at the end of the day, when that hope was faced with its most considerable threats, he crumbled. It may sound harsh, but it hardly an insult. There was a period when Stephano was considered by some to be an obvious candidate for a Code S championship, but those hopes never materialized. Naniwa did his best and made his mark twice, but never honestly came close enough. Players have risen to and fallen from that catchy but questionable status many times. "The foreign hope" is an elusive concept. The goal posts can move quickly. None of those WCS championships matter, on the grand scale, compared to BlizzCon and IEM Katowice, where Neeb has routinely fallen. In 2018, Neeb is no longer the foreign hope. He is, for the first time since his ascent in 2016, not the greatest foreigner in the world. That title belongs to a Zerg player.

For Neeb, there is a greater hunt. He has his WCS titles. He has his trophies. He has all of the domestic success one could ask for. He even has the scattershot success against Koreans; but not on the biggest of stages. Not until this year. Not until now. No longer does anything matter except for how he performs at BlizzCon; if he was to win BlizzCon, this year of his – lined with sloppy form, shoddy sets, and periods of flat-out mediocre play – would be beyond redeemed. Neeb got a taste of what it was like to be redeemed in GSL, where two paltry games against TY prevented him from achieving the highest of heights ever reached by a foreign player. If he was to surpass that at BlizzCon, this would be the most successful year of his career, and arguably the most successful for any foreigner. For Neeb, there is nothing else anymore. Only this.








Writer: Soularion
Editors: Zealously, Olli
Photos: Carlton Beener, Blizzard, ESL, Leimmia, Bart Oerbekke, Helena Kristiansson
Graphics: 3StrakGames
Statistics: Aligulac
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-19 15:58:46
October 19 2018 15:52 GMT
#2
In 2017 he was a shining example of the idea that dominating WCS doesn't make you a challenger for koreans, ending up at 33% in games and 20% in series against them. Despite winning 3/4 WCS tournaments.

This year, despite not making a single final in WCS, he manages a 49% winrate in games and 54% in series against koreans.

That being said I do think he's been underrated in the foreign scene this year. His run in GSL was crazy, and I really believe if he had brought that form to Montreal he would have at least made the finals (or maybe won tbh given Serral's condition). He was barely running at 50% and almost took out Reynor, who went on to lose the closest WCS finals in years.

And people argue with me everytime I bring this up, but he really should have made the playoffs at Katowice. It's a shame the one time he looked he could take out Serral he got done by technical problems -_-
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Jimmon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States112 Posts
October 19 2018 16:03 GMT
#3
Neeb Wins Blizzcon. 4-1 Calling it right now.
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veniss
Profile Joined August 2018
75 Posts
October 19 2018 16:17 GMT
#4
If Neeb was still in Korea practicing, there's a world where he gets out of his Blizzcon group. In that world, I'd tell him look, he can beat TY in a bo3 because he went up 2-1 on him in the GSL semis. His practice for Maru and TY is still applicable and Stats (whom I think Neeb is friends with) showed how to beat Maru in GSL vs. The World. On top of that, Lambo's an opponent Neeb's beaten repeatedly.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
October 19 2018 16:24 GMT
#5
On October 20 2018 01:17 veniss wrote:
Stats (whom I think Neeb is friends with) showed how to beat Maru in GSL vs. The World.

I find this a poor argument. Maru vs Stats at GSL vs the World was completely different from what he did in Code S or in the Super Tournament. Which is to say Maru didn't proxy nearly every game.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19237 Posts
October 19 2018 16:33 GMT
#6
Neeb is basically the Naniwa that you can't hate on.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
October 19 2018 16:43 GMT
#7
Apparently he is not in great form since he’s been in NA for 3 months or whatever it is but hopefully he can perform well
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 19 2018 16:53 GMT
#8
On October 20 2018 01:43 Zaros wrote:
Apparently he is not in great form since he’s been in NA for 3 months or whatever it is but hopefully he can perform well

When the act of simply being in NA is an indication of bad form.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
October 19 2018 17:00 GMT
#9
neeb with win blizzcon btw, in case you didn't know.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-19 17:18:10
October 19 2018 17:17 GMT
#10
I enjoy the realiability of coming into any thread about how good a foreigner is, and knowing that Fango or Charoisaur (or whatever his name is) will provide us with some biased vitriol about how they are not as good as koreans and how little meaning their accomplishments have (even if the accomplishments were direct competition against korean pros). Literally every single time one of them will show up.

That said, I do see that your posts this time are not entirely hate based, Fango. Which is surprising, and tells me that maybe you like Neeb a bit. Or maybe its that there is so much hype behind Serral that you don't mind being supportive of Neeb. And I didn't actually mean the above to indicate that I dislike the presence of views like yours. It's a bit balancing actually, since there is bias that goes the other way, too.

The above tangent aside, Neeb has been my favorite player for a long time. I love good players in general, korean or foreigner, but I especially love players who break the mold or have some sort of underdog status. Serral is a blast to watch because of that, but Neeb did it first - with a race that I respect more, lol. I would really really love to see Neeb do something special at Blizzcon but I know the chances are not very high, we have been waiting for something super exceptional from Neeb for a while now. It's sad because he clearly has it in him... maybe this can be the time.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-19 17:20:24
October 19 2018 17:18 GMT
#11
I was watching Neeb's recent Take Penthouse Party games, where he lost half of his games to terran players not on Maru or TY's level, which shouldn't inspire much confidence. But I noticed something interesting: it seemed like neeb was going as greedy as possible despite knowing his terran opponents will likely proxy him. I feel like he's trying to test his limit of how much he can defend against cheese playing standard, and if he has builds he's probably not gonna show them in an online tournament before blizzcon.
very illegal and very uncool
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-19 18:18:16
October 19 2018 18:15 GMT
#12
On October 20 2018 02:17 travis wrote:
That said, I do see that your posts this time are not entirely hate based, Fango. Which is surprising, and tells me that maybe you like Neeb a bit. Or maybe its that there is so much hype behind Serral that you don't mind being supportive of Neeb. And I didn't actually mean the above to indicate that I dislike the presence of views like yours. It's a bit balancing actually, since there is bias that goes the other way, too.

Honestly I have nothing against foreigners just because they're foreigners. I just end up on the opposing side to hype trains most of the time. Foreigners just have a much easier time gaining them anyone else, and I think people give them special treatment when it comes to their results.

I usually support any player I feel is unappreciated, which Neeb has really been this year. Or guys like Maru and soO almost every year.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-19 19:19:41
October 19 2018 19:18 GMT
#13
On October 20 2018 01:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Neeb is basically the Naniwa that you can't hate on.

Except I love Naniwa and dont care for neeb at all...

Really weird to think Neeb hasnt done as well this year as last year...but at the same time reached the gsl code s semis...
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lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
October 19 2018 19:32 GMT
#14
I hope in the shadow of Serral, Neeb will not be forgotten.
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
476 Posts
October 19 2018 20:50 GMT
#15
Neeeeb!
Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
October 19 2018 21:04 GMT
#16
His group is already really tough, combined with the fact that he has been preparing for the 2 best Terran's in the world in NA during the last couple of months. I hope to see Neeb bring his A-game, I just don't see any other people than Maru or TY get out of that group.
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
October 19 2018 23:54 GMT
#17
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)colossus to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:
+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)disruptors to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)high templar to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)immortals to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)stasis wards to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)probes to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)pylons to massacre Zerg. Then Neeb got up from his computer and said, "This is so my Ting!".
Et tu Brute ?
veniss
Profile Joined August 2018
75 Posts
October 20 2018 01:01 GMT
#18
Zaros and Fango, I get this from NoRegret, the functional coach of the foreigner house in Korea. To quote him (around 39:35 of the Pylon Show): “Yeah this is gonna be really hard…when Neeb played in GSL, he was practicing with a lot of Terrans for that matchup, it’s not the same when you’re in EU or NA, there aren’t an infinite amount of terrans, there’s basically uThermal and heromarine and that’s it…[Neeb]’s lost that three month window where he could’ve practiced with Koreans.” It’s pretty clear NoRegret thinks that Neeb’s odds of winning improve if he practices for Blizzcon in Korea and not his home in Upstate New York.

(Presumably, Neeb went home for a hard-earned vacation.)

Elentos, As for “hey, Stats demonstrating how to beat Maru is poor evidence of Neeb beating Maru”, I should’ve phrased it better and wrote “in the unlikely event Neeb beats Maru, one way to get to there is by studying the builds that beat Maru in GSL vs. The World.” And yeah, Neeb’s gotta watch out for proxies, as does every Protoss in the matchup.

I don’t think Neeb 4-0 EZ CLAP, but I’d love that to be true.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
October 20 2018 01:31 GMT
#19
On October 20 2018 05:50 aringadingding wrote:
Neeeeb!

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBBBB
very illegal and very uncool
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland931 Posts
October 20 2018 11:13 GMT
#20
On October 20 2018 08:54 KR_4EVR wrote:
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)colossus to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:
+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)disruptors to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)high templar to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)immortals to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)stasis wards to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)probes to massacre Zerg. Then Tassadar got up and said:+ Show Spoiler +
It was a dark and stormy night. Neeb was using (Wiki)pylons to massacre Zerg. Then Neeb got up from his computer and said, "This is so my Ting!".


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