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Code S RO4 Preview: Neeb vs TY

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Code S RO4 Preview: Neeb vs TY

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September 4th, 2018 14:52 GMT

Code S Semifinal #1 Preview - Neeb vs TY

by Mizenhauer
[image loading] - Mizenhauer

Start time: Wednesday, Sep 05 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

Reaching the round of 4 in Code S is an incredible feat. It's the realm of the truly elite, an arena in which heroes such as (Wiki)Stats, (Wiki)INnoVation, (Wiki)soO and (Wiki)Dark do battle. The unworthy are so ruthless weeded out that the lineup can become repetitious—three members of last season’s Ro4 have returned for another shot at becoming Code S champion. (Wiki)TY, (Wiki)Zest and (Wiki)Maru have been here before and have proved they have the skills to advance beyond it. Counted among the best of StarCraft II, they are players befitting the grandeur of the GSL Ro4. They are champions of some of the biggest tournaments in the world, while Zest and Maru are champions of GSL Code S itself.

There is an intruder in their midst. (Wiki)Neeb participating in the first GSL Code S of his career, finds himself challenging players with dozens of seasons of combined experience. He's also a foreigner, the first we've seen reach the Code S semifinals since January of 2011. He isn’t what we envision when we think of a typical Code S semifinalist, but here he is, with a puncher's chance of making the impossible possible.

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Global StarCraft 2 League Code S - 2018 Season 3


Neeb came to our attention in dramatic fashion, shattering the Korean hegemony at the 2016 KeSPA Cup. His subsequent conquering of the 2017 WCS Circuit had fans thinking he was a serious challenger to the Koreans heading into the WCS Global Finals. There, he ended up having a mixed but ultimately disappointing performance: he won one of the most impressive single games of the tournament against Rogue, but was nonetheless eliminated from the group stages by Rogue in a rematch.

It’s been a rocky path for Neeb ever since. We assumed that his WCS Circuit dominance would continue in 2018, but instead he has been totally usurped by (Wiki)Serral. In a way, Neeb has been lucky—Serral's undisputed reign has overshadowed every other storyline in the foreign scene, including Neeb's string of underwhelming performances. At WCS Leipzig, he was defeated in the semifinals by (Wiki)ShoWTimE—a player he had a 3-0 head-to-head advantage against in offline events. Neeb was then stunned by (Wiki)MaNa at WCS Austin, and then lost again to ShoWTimE in the Ro8 of WCS Valencia.

To say we expected more from Neeb would be an understatement. We pictured dominance, another three titles, and a chance to absolve his shortcomings at BlizzCon heading into 2018. Instead he’s dropped the ball over and over, stumbling in ways he hasn’t since the early days of LotV. He hasn't even been able to deliver us a dream-match against Serral in WCS (Serral did sweep Neeb in a largely forgotten Ro8 meeting) at WESG). A best-of-seven in the most high pressure environment would settle, once and for all, who reigns supreme in the foreign scene. The blame rests solely at Neeb’s feet—he simply hasn’t been good enough.

And yet, in another way, this year has been a wild success for the American Protoss. He's balanced out his Circuit woes with triumphs against Korean opponents that would be considered historic if not for Serral. Neeb was unable to escape the group stage at Katowice and lost the only match he played against a Korean at WESG, but his performance at the Hangzhou StarCraft Carnival echoed his shocking victory in the KeSPA Cup nearly two years ago.

He tripped out of the starting block, losing to INnoVation, but caught his stride in the playoffs where he beat (Wiki)Rogue and (Wiki)herO to lift the championship trophy. Liquipedia may not have conferred 'premiere' status to the tournament, but it was a significant accomplishment for Neeb this year. Contentious as the result may be given the setting, the format of the tournament, and the form of his opponents, it can’t be denied that many of those who vehemently diminish the validity of Neeb’s victory also gave him no chance to win in the first place. It’s an eerily similar situation to the KeSPA Cup, where Neeb left our jaws on the floor, even as he boarded the plane, trophy in hand.


Neeb defeated Rogue and herO en route to the $30,000 1st place prize at Hangzhou StarCraft Carnival

The Neeb paradox has reached its peak in GSL Code S. When Neeb first tried to qualify for Code S in Season 3 of 2017, his hopes were dashed by the lowly Hurricane. To think that Neeb would be left on the sidelines while (Wiki)NoRegret made his first Code S appearance was unthinkable, but sometimes truth really is stranger than fiction.

Neeb bided his time, waiting for Season 3 of this year to move back to Korea for another go. This time he managed to break through to Code S, only to earn a group that included foreigner killer Dark for his troubles. Finishing second place in that group was only mildly surprising and, with the benefit of hindsight, later victories over (Wiki)Impact and (Wiki)Reynor in the round of 16 were expected. Yes, he’d advanced twice, but the real tests were yet to come. A match against Rogue loomed, surely that would be the end of Neeb’s run. That was the precise moment when Neeb decided to flip StarCraft II on its head.

Those who believe in curses would point towards Rogue’s 0-8 record in Code S semifinals, but the fact is that Neeb thoroughly outplayed the twice crowned world champion. He brought a better game plan and executed it to a T. The victory put Neeb in rarefied air. Seven years have passed since (Wiki)Jinro reached the semifinals in the first Code S of 2011, but here we are, watching a foreigner come within two steps of claiming the most fiercely contested trophy in StarCraft II.


TY defended the GSL's honor against Neeb in the 2017 edition of GSL vs. The World

If Neeb is intruding and defying expectations, then (Wiki)TY is in his element and intent on rectifying past mistakes. He made it this far last season but lost to Zest in a full, seven game series. It’s been slow going since then. Four straight quarterfinal exits in Code S meant that he never got within shouting distance of the finals. He blew a 2-1 lead against (Wiki)Dear, got reverse swept by soO and (Wiki)GuMiho and was embarrassed by Dark. His failure to navigate the Round of 16 in the first season of 2018, as well as his Round of 8 exit in the IEM World Championship, cast TY in a critical light. No one could deny the validity of his championships at WESG and IEM Katowice in 2017 (after all, what progamer wouldn't try their best to win a $100,000+ first place prize?), but one could rightfully question if he had what it took to win Korea's most precious title.

It wasn’t really surprising when TY beat GuMiho last season to advance to the semifinals. Maru had been singing TY’s praises for some time and popular opinion actually fancied TY to defeat Zest. That result would have set up a true crowd-pleaser: a showdown between the two best Terrans with everything on the line. Zest had other ideas. The semifinal was a sloppy affair, with short games full of proxied buildings, hidden bases, absurd builds and ceaseless aggression. It was very much a modern PvT. And, while it was not the refined, macro-oriented StarCraft some fans may favor, it was an exciting set in which the players were evenly matched. The margin of error was so thin that it may have come down to a single, well placed stasis ward that decided the outcome. Ultimately Zest advanced, only to be ground into dust by Maru in what could hardly be described as a competitive match. TY was left at home, shaking his head, wondering what might have been.

Disappointment is an essential part of all competition, and while TY had plenty of reasons to be discouraged, he has bounced back admirably since losing to Zest. He’s seen great success in online events and ran over (Wiki)Stats and (Wiki)sOs in the round of 16 just a few weeks ago, proving that whatever TvP woes he might have once had have been dispelled. The authoritative manner in which he made quick work of an ailing (Wiki)Leenock could be attributed to his opponent’s health issues, but the fact of the matter was that TY appeared a cut above.

TY now enters the semifinals cast as the favorite, but bears an unfair burden of expectations. Should Neeb emerge victorious, the storyline will be as much about TY’s failure as it will be Neeb’s triumph. Should TY win, everyone’s focus will immediately shift back to Maru. It’s an unforgiving situation, but that's TY's fault. He’s been viewed as one of the best players in the game for quite some time, yet his lack of Code S success still haunts him. He may have won enough money to make him a one-percenter in StarCraft II, but what progamer starts their career with wealth as their primary goal? Undeniably talented, and possessing a virtually unmatched sense of strategy, TY has fallen short in the pursuit of competitive glory in Code S.

Then wouldn’t this be the perfect moment to buck that image? Over the totality of their careers TY has been the superior player to Neeb in almost every facet of skill. Even as we dismiss TY as a choker in Code S, his victory at the IEM World Championship eclipses any of Neeb's titles thus far.

Yet, Neeb is still the first foreigner to win a StarCraft II tournament on Korean soil, while TY's blazing speed and clever tactics have not availed him in Korea. I admit a StarCraft II match shouldn't be reduced to something so simple, but as it regards TY coming through at a critical juncture: I'll believe it when I see it.

Prediction: Neeb 4 - 3 TY




Credits and acknowledgements

Writer: Mizenhauer
Editor: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Statistics: Aligulac.com
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Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
September 04 2018 14:56 GMT
#2
I hope the better player wins. I hope TY is the better player.
Shortly: I hope TY wins this. I am not impartial, but I might change my mind during the games.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33356 Posts
September 04 2018 14:59 GMT
#3
While I think TY has this one in the bag, I would still enjoy a Neeb victory to throw the entire Korea-World equation into utter chaos.
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Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
September 04 2018 15:08 GMT
#4
It would be interesting with a new Royal Roader, but that is the only thing that would make a Neeb victory special for me.
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JWD[9]
Profile Blog Joined November 2015
364 Posts
September 04 2018 15:13 GMT
#5
They are champions of the some of the biggest tournaments
It’s been rocky path
If Neeb is intruding and defying expectations, then (Wiki)TY in his element and intent on rectifying past mistakes


There is a "the" too many in the first paragraph, so I read the rest on high alert. Then I think there is an "a" missing, and the last quoted sentence just makes no sense to me.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33356 Posts
September 04 2018 15:17 GMT
#6
On September 05 2018 00:13 JWD[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
They are champions of the some of the biggest tournaments
It’s been rocky path
If Neeb is intruding and defying expectations, then (Wiki)TY in his element and intent on rectifying past mistakes


There is a "the" too many in the first paragraph, so I read the rest on high alert. Then I think there is an "a" missing, and the last quoted sentence just makes no sense to me.


I dunno why google hasn't bought out our crowd-sourced proofreading tech yet
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 04 2018 15:17 GMT
#7
Neeb in the ro4 is certainly hype, but none of the actual matches he won to get there have been that convincing (beating Losira, aLive, Impact, Reynor, and a Rogue who looked the worse he has in years). The only challenging opponents he's faced are Dark and Maru (both of them stomped him), and TY is certainly in that same catagory.

I hope I'm wrong and we get a fun match, but I can see this being another case of someone getting deep in a tournament then losing to the first elite player they encounter.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation142 Posts
September 04 2018 15:23 GMT
#8
Yeah, sure
Neeb runs over TY

I think we will see a 4-1 sweep in favor of TY
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dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia237 Posts
September 04 2018 15:24 GMT
#9
On September 05 2018 00:17 Fango wrote:


I hope I'm wrong and we get a fun match, but I can see this being another case of someone getting deep in a tournament then losing to the first elite player they encounter.


I love how Rogue isn't an elite player anymore. What can he do? He does not have so many victories as TY. Wait a secoooooooond......!
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Neuling
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany45 Posts
September 04 2018 15:26 GMT
#10
My prediction:

We will at least see 5 games of terrans proxying something on the map in this two bo7's!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 15:36:14
September 04 2018 15:35 GMT
#11
On September 05 2018 00:24 dankobanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 00:17 Fango wrote:


I hope I'm wrong and we get a fun match, but I can see this being another case of someone getting deep in a tournament then losing to the first elite player they encounter.


I love how Rogue isn't an elite player anymore. What can he do? He does not have so many victories as TY. Wait a secoooooooond......!

With how he played it's hard to give him much credit. I find it hard to be a fan of Rogue when he'll switch between being a championship contender and a complete flop every other event.

Now Neeb was seriously solid in their match, I'm not denying that. But he could have played below his standards and still won. Any protoss in GSL could have probably won that.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
September 04 2018 15:40 GMT
#12
Neeb 4-3 TY??? TL writers have massive protoss bias apparently.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
September 04 2018 15:41 GMT
#13
Neeb got this 4-2.
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ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
September 04 2018 15:46 GMT
#14
We are getting TvT GSL finals boys! Long time coming.
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
September 04 2018 15:49 GMT
#15
4 TY - 0 Neeb

As others have said, Rogue played like a tier 3 zerg, which isn't that surprising because it's the inconsistent as ever Rogue. TY is the second best terran in the world, and Neeb will be overconfident (as he usually is, but he has a tendency to get really full of himself after taking maps from someone decent) and lose his mental after one loss.
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warwee
Profile Joined September 2017
Canada6 Posts
September 04 2018 15:55 GMT
#16
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1835 Posts
September 04 2018 15:58 GMT
#17
TY just needs to proxy rax him all 4 games.
veniss
Profile Joined August 2018
75 Posts
September 04 2018 16:11 GMT
#18
It kills me to say this, but TY 4-2 or 4-3's Neeb.

That said: Neeb's in the GSL semis and it wasn't a fluke.
-Rogue, like it or not, decided his best chance to beat Neeb was to play like Dark, and Rogue rolled the dice.
-Impact and Reynor don't sound like too tough opponents BUT replace Impact with [the guy that advanced over Zest] and Reynor with [the kid that advanced over Classic], and Neeb's ro16 group looks terrifying.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 04 2018 16:41 GMT
#19
On September 05 2018 01:11 veniss wrote:
-Impact and Reynor don't sound like too tough opponents BUT replace Impact with [the guy that advanced over Zest] and Reynor with [the kid that advanced over Classic], and Neeb's ro16 group looks terrifying.

The problem with that is that Neeb didn't actually beat Zest or Classic. In general, beating people who got in through upsets is almost always less impressive than beating those who are consistantly top opponents.

Remember last season when Stats 2-0'd eMotion? Even if eMotion beat herO to get there it's still not an impressive result.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 04 2018 17:09 GMT
#20
On September 05 2018 01:41 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 01:11 veniss wrote:
-Impact and Reynor don't sound like too tough opponents BUT replace Impact with [the guy that advanced over Zest] and Reynor with [the kid that advanced over Classic], and Neeb's ro16 group looks terrifying.

The problem with that is that Neeb didn't actually beat Zest or Classic. In general, beating people who got in through upsets is almost always less impressive than beating those who are consistantly top opponents.

Remember last season when Stats 2-0'd eMotion? Even if eMotion beat herO to get there it's still not an impressive result.

No, but he beat the people who in ZvP did beat those people. In fact, he destroyed them.

Thing is, people are downplaying Neeb's results with the benefit of hindsight. TL predicted he'd go down in the ro32, ro16, and ro8. The polls predicted a Neeb loss in the ro16 and ro8, and the LBs predicted only a Neeb victory in the ro32, with the majority predicting him to lose in the ro16 and ro8. So every step of the way, he has defied expectation.

Sure, now in hindsight, we can say that his path was easy, but at the time, most people didn't think he'd be here. That isn't to say that he will win now, just that at the time, team liquid as a collective (at least the ones who post) did not think Neeb would win.
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