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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On May 20 2007 14:19 Jyvblamo wrote: No, we should return to our primordial roots in Dune 2 and allow only 1 unit selected at any time. Imagine how awesome players would be just by having his army move at the same time. OMG That's too hardcore for me! | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
That would so screw over Zerg players. | ||
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EmS.Radagast
Israel280 Posts
*bandwagon* I explained my opinion on the matter in several other threads. The unit/building selection caps need to go. rejecting it for imbalance reasons is nonsensical because there is always a way to rebalance the game through the usual means, just like any other imbalance. There is no need for the game's balance to hinge on the UI mechanics crippling the players. I think people who see this as pivotal to matchup balance haven't given it a serious thought or are just unimaginative. It's like automatic shifting gear for race cars, even for racing, automatic is better, and no you cant beat schumacher at racing because you both have automatic transmission now, I'm sick of hearing this line of argument, people will always find ways to outmatch their opponents, there is no reason why it HAS to be their ability to 1z2z34z5zz3d4t faster than the opponent. Look at the down side of putting a cap -- by making the interface harder you're deliberately worsening the quality of games for like 99% of the players* (I'm including only players who are interested in strategy, rather than bgh unit massing). What can I say -_- | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
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Zironic
Sweden341 Posts
@Gokey, I think it will probably just show one unit portrait with a number next to it when there are more then 36 units (based on the gameplay video it seems like it supports 3 rows of 12). | ||
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KodoU-
United States129 Posts
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Zironic
Sweden341 Posts
I really like the idea of unlimited selection largely because it will make custom (UMS) maps alot easier to play, especially those where you have 200+ units (that's more then 10 control groups can control with a 12 selection cap). | ||
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EmS.Radagast
Israel280 Posts
I think Z will be plain awesome when the interface allows them to attack decently at late game. Another cool feature would be to deselect a dragbox, so if you recalled some of your units to an island, for instance, you could easily remove them from the "main army" group. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Any idea if you can rally peons to resources and have them auto-collect? | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On May 20 2007 16:41 EmS.Radagast wrote: Another cool feature would be to deselect a dragbox, so if you recalled some of your units to an island, for instance, you could easily remove them from the "main army" group. There have been many times when this would've come in handy, I'm all for it. | ||
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Eeeegor
Australia809 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
However, I will say this: To all you people saying 'oh imagine if you didn't need APM to build units, and could just click two keys to build, imagine all the potential badass micro the pros could do'. Well, guess what? The badass micro the pros do now is impressive because they can do it while macroing IMO. It's like this quote from a rekrul interview Mynock: Thank you very much -_-. Want your opinion on this: many people (War3 posse mainly) say it's time for SC to type GG - no new strategies coming out, this way excitement about it is gone, etc... Rekrul: Let�s put it this way: BroodWar is basketball, War3 is that new TV show where they play basketball but with trampolines. That show sucks, and so does the "sport." Sure, almost all the basketball plays have basically been discovered, but people still play it, because execution is the key. There are plenty of ways to execute strategies because of new maps / new discoveries / etc. War3 is just run, jump on trampoline, fly through air, slam dunk. Oh, and all of this in slow motion. - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=7635 Also, for the people saying the public will demand multiple building select.. No? CnC3 you can select many buildings but if you click build, only 1 of them will build (I'd be cool with this btw, cause setting rally points with 1 click is not something I mind seeing as how it's a pest setting them manually for unkeyed gates). Also, maybe I'm the only person who enjoy doing 4z5z6z7z8z9z0z? Ever since I heard that's what reach did (looooooong ago) I practiced it -_- Then I practiced rally pointing my gates to the front pvz, reach style. Meh, I find it fun and I don't see why we should remove a skillset from the game. Won't make anyone beat anyone else easier but it will make amazing micro much less impressive since everyone can multitask, everyone can keep a perfect production up while microing.. There'll be no boxers getting 2000 minerals while microing-_- | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Zironic
Sweden341 Posts
Skill should be more about effective use of the units then selecting different buildings fast in order to build them in the first place. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On May 20 2007 16:54 Klogon wrote: I've always thought that having a greater unit selection limit as an upgrade in the game (in the command center, nexus, or hive) makes a bit of sense as the efficiency of the chain of command from commander to grunts isn't always completely smooth... and thus the "upgrade" would theoritically allow the commanders to control more of their troops at once, increasing efficiency. It can even have things like Zerg already have the highest unit selection possible to start off unlike protoss and terran because the telepathic controls the celebrates have on their minions is much greater than that of generals. Hey, that doesn't sound too bad at all, if they can implement it. If you want to be able to control more units you pay 200/200 or some other amount while players who are able to control units 12 at a time can stay like that and not take the economic blow. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 20 2007 16:59 mahnini wrote: Hey, that doesn't sound too bad at all, if they can implement it. If you want to be able to control more units you pay 200/200 or some other amount while players who are able to control units 12 at a time can stay like that and not take the economic blow. I don't like it t.t Too 'clutterish', doesn't feel clean. On May 20 2007 16:57 Zironic wrote: I suppose I've made myself clear by now, personally I think SC2 should be about pure skill and not getting past UI limitations by having a high APM. Skill should be more about effective use of the units then selecting different buildings fast in order to build them in the first place. Producing units is a skill-_- I'd be fine with something like, being able to tab your way through the gateways (like in war3 you can click tab to switch between subgroups of a select group) and producing that way, b ut I HATE the idea of being able to click 2 keys to produce from 50 gateways all across the map. Where's the multitasking in that? | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On May 20 2007 17:01 FrozenArbiter wrote: I don't like it t.t Too 'clutterish', doesn't feel clean. I think that may be a form of OCD you've got there.  | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
It just reminds me of Dawn of War. | ||
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Zironic
Sweden341 Posts
On May 20 2007 17:01 FrozenArbiter wrote: I don't like it t.t Too 'clutterish', doesn't feel clean. Producing units is a skill-_- I'd be fine with something like, being able to tab your way through the gateways (like in war3 you can click tab to switch between subgroups of a select group) and producing that way, b ut I HATE the idea of being able to click 2 keys to produce from 50 gateways all across the map. Where's the multitasking in that? The idea is that you shouldn't be forced to micro mundane tasks. It's kinda like if you removed the auto attack from all units, arguably it would make the game more skillfull since you would have to micro every single unit for them to fight at all. I think all basic things in the game should be made as streamlined and easy to use as possible so players can focus on proper skills like effective use of cliffs (seems to be one of the main gameplay elements of SC2) and ambushes. | ||
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XG3
United States544 Posts
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