Community Feedback Update - May 8 - Page 9

On May 12 2018 01:16 Ryu3600 wrote:
I think marauder change won't be a huge deal in TvZ for the midgame where it stays on HLB/MLB for fights since most Terrans opt to go heavy marine but later as hive comes out or if its vs roach ravager I can see the marauder being more impactful. Regardless Zerg dealt with old marauder in HotS and they will surely deal with it now. The same goes for protoss players.

On May 12 2018 01:16 Ryu3600 wrote:
I think marauder change won't be a huge deal in TvZ for the midgame where it stays on HLB/MLB for fights since most Terrans opt to go heavy marine but later as hive comes out or if its vs roach ravager I can see the marauder being more impactful. Regardless Zerg dealt with old marauder in HotS and they will surely deal with it now. The same goes for protoss players.

On May 12 2018 02:04 deacon.frost wrote:

*cough* MSC *cough*
*cough* old immortal *cough*

Marauders are designed to demolition GW army without proper upgrades(mostly charge) in the early game.

Edit> Although I love the hypocricy.

Look, zerg won't be affected and if they will they will cope. Same for Protoss. How are coping Terrans, how about you would try to cope with something and not whine about buffs?

protoss can defend 2base terran all-in while sitting on 3 bases with 1-1, blink and charge all done by 6;30(just play like hero boy) so it's yet unknown that marauder buff is enough.

On May 12 2018 04:50 nonoes wrote:


I assume you're talking about the Hangzhou game 2. inno vs hero
Then that game miss the point completly. It was 1-1-1 drop mine followed by a stim timing vs blink + 3rd base + gate explosion. Mine failed to do damage at all and the medivac was lost in the process.
The stim timing was late with barely any marauder.

after the patch you'll see 3 rax stim timing followed by medivacs and even more bio in protoss face.That kind of build hit 2 min earlier.
Also Rax + techlab first will be a thing again, Polt style.

On May 12 2018 06:25 Danglars wrote:
I think blizzard could have done a better redesign of the raven missile that would leave it with a role. Now, I can't see the armor reduction with low damage actually mattering for a use, even if only confined to midgame.

Good change on the marauder.

On May 12 2018 07:53 Loccstana wrote:
Bring back the medivac heal upgrade to make bio viable lategame again.

On May 12 2018 09:35 SirPinky wrote:
I see a ton of people, even Blizzard, saying "If we can improve the Terran mid-game, it will help them in the late game." That logic is sound if there is a Terran late game unit. Let's say Terran uses this "buff" to have the same stride/economy that Protoss has. Now both of you are sitting with the same 10k/10k economy but Terran has no late game units. They will just "headbutt" endlessly against the Protoss superior army (i.e. Tempest, Carrier, Storm) until they eventually lose. Having an improved ability to scale with other races economy doesn't help if there are no late game units to fight with.

EDIT: No please, someone tell me what beats mass Carrier/Tempest/Storm (or even disruptor underneath) in TvP. You don't see it b/c pro Terran players know they are dead if it gets to that point. There is no Terran DPS to kill it; AAM only takes the armor down but there is no DPS to follow-up - Vikings shoot slow and can't kill fast enough. And BC's use Yamato so AAM is pretty pointless. Where is the DPS now that the Raven is worthless? I won't even bother with Zerg, there is no AA there either versus Corruptor, Viper, BL. Again, any Terran winning increases (if at all) will only be attributed to 2-base all-ins. If the Raven is gone, the BC needs to be looked at to improve.

On May 12 2018 11:35 Skyro wrote:


Maybe your problem is your approach to late game? Late game is not about "headbutting" your army into theirs, it's about picking them apart piece by piece with cost efficient trades since late game they are spread all over the map. Terran has other strong late game advantages that have nothing to do with 200/200 armies smashing into each other like PFs, nukes, mule spam, etc. Same as mid game, you don't "headbutt" your bio into Protoss either, you have to exploit Protoss' immobility. If you can get Protoss to attack in to your PF/turret spam and/or get some money EMPs on their HT Protoss armies are definitely not unbeatable. Late game clashes have always been about jockeying for position. IMO the Viking HP buff will help a lot more in than people think. Look at how Hydralisks went from never used to staple unit overnight when they got their HP buff.

On May 12 2018 12:23 SirPinky wrote:


I think your points are valid if we are talking about a Protoss with 3 or less bases. I'm talking about a Protoss with 4, 5 or more bases. "Picking" them apart stops at a certain point; it is this threshold where a Protoss becomes invulnerable to an attack. Their "deathball" cannot be beat head-to-head.

If I'm a Protoss on 5 bases and have Carriers, Tempest, HT and maybe a few Disruptors thrown in...how do you beat that. Pick them apart? No, they have recall and mass warp-in at that point. And it's interesting you mention things like PF, Nukes, and mule spam: Those are all economy related components. Where is the offense? Economy is not synonymous with winning the game. Sure, it helps, but there are tons of times players lose because they have an inferior composition. My point is...Terran will never have a equal or superior composition to late game Protoss in LOTV. Blizzard should just come out and say "Sorry, Terran, don't let them get to that point." And, indirectly, this patch is saying just that.

EDIT: Eventually you are going to have to battle their army head-to-head and the "harass" stops. This is where Terran will die...regardless of what is in the bank. Remember in some of Neebs late games PvZ he went down to less than 10 probes? If both players are sitting on 5k/5k, economy, nukes, PF etc. don't matter. Terran will lose - there is no late game unit to contend with Protoss.