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2017 in Review - Team Liquid Awards - Page 5

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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
December 03 2017 19:22 GMT
#81
On December 03 2017 19:16 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2017 12:00 breaker1328 wrote:
On December 03 2017 09:38 Rolltide wrote:
Dark should have been voted the most exciting player since he played in what was regarded as the best match and the best map.

In my opinion the best map was game 3 Rogue vs Neeb where Neeb had 199 army supply to win.


That would have been my vote too but you have to know TL writers will ever admit that a foreigner could do anything that would make a korean look bad.

This is a really silly statement after SpeCial humiliated Stats/TY


I'm just gonna go out there and say Stats humiliated himself in that series. SpeCial's play wasn't even that impressive

(And this is coming from someone who's been saying SpeCial is the best foreigner all year)
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 19:27:44
December 03 2017 19:24 GMT
#82
On December 04 2017 04:18 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2017 09:44 Rolltide wrote:
To say that Blizzcon is an inferior tournament to GSL is retarded. There is only one world champion, there are 3 GSL champions.

If GSL is so superior the gold standard so to speak then a GSL champ should have won Blizzon. None of them did.



Wtf kind of comment is this? The fact that Rogue won blizzcon and has never got past GSL ro8 is evidence that GSL is the higher level event....

By any objective measure, other than prize money, GSL is better. More competition, more prep time between matches, bo7 for semis, no issues with jetlag, players qualify based on current form instead of results from tournaments 6 months ago etc

Like I said in the other comment, half the players at blizzcon couldn't even make GSL ro16. That alone makes it a weaker competition.


Tbf half the players in GSL couldn't even make GSL ro16.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
December 03 2017 19:49 GMT
#83
On December 04 2017 04:18 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2017 09:44 Rolltide wrote:
To say that Blizzcon is an inferior tournament to GSL is retarded. There is only one world champion, there are 3 GSL champions.

If GSL is so superior the gold standard so to speak then a GSL champ should have won Blizzon. None of them did.



Wtf kind of comment is this? The fact that Rogue won blizzcon and has never got past GSL ro8 is evidence that GSL is the higher level event....


And Stats won 2 Starleagues, had high finishes in the other ones and bombed out in the group stage of Blizzcon.
This proves Blizzcon is the higher level event. /s
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washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
December 03 2017 19:56 GMT
#84
bet map is ascension,.... Id say abyssal is a more interesting map by a large margin accession is jut big and has an interesting choke in the center, nothing else is really striking about the map.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain881 Posts
December 03 2017 22:51 GMT
#85
If you consider the whole year, there is no way Rogue is the best player. He barely managed to clasify to Blizzcon. He "just" had three amazing months, including the final win.
Stats was the best in the remaining 8 months, and he deserves the award because of maths (8>3)

Anyway, I love these coming back.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 23:05:21
December 03 2017 23:02 GMT
#86
On December 04 2017 07:51 Xamo wrote:
If you consider the whole year, there is no way Rogue is the best player. He barely managed to clasify to Blizzcon. He "just" had three amazing months, including the final win.
Stats was the best in the remaining 8 months, and he deserves the award because of maths (8>3)

Anyway, I love these coming back.

Rogue might have been the best for the last few months of 2017 and Stats for the first few, but I'm pretty sure TL considered the whole year as all 12 months instead of 3 or 8 or whatever. And the best player over all 12 months was neither Rogue nor Stats but Inno.

Hence, Inno got the award.
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 03 2017 23:13 GMT
#87
On December 04 2017 07:51 Xamo wrote:
If you consider the whole year, there is no way Rogue is the best player. He barely managed to clasify to Blizzcon. He "just" had three amazing months, including the final win.
Stats was the best in the remaining 8 months, and he deserves the award because of maths (8>3)

Anyway, I love these coming back.

Stats has an argument as the best player in February and March. That's it.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1705 Posts
December 03 2017 23:27 GMT
#88
ALIVE MOST ENTERTAINING?!

AHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WHATTTTTTTT?!?!?!

NO! LOL

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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 23:41:47
December 03 2017 23:40 GMT
#89
On December 04 2017 08:27 ShowTheLights wrote:
ALIVE MOST ENTERTAINING?!

AHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WHATTTTTTTT?!?!?!

NO! LOL

Then why are you laughing so hard?

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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
December 04 2017 00:39 GMT
#90
On December 04 2017 08:27 ShowTheLights wrote:
ALIVE MOST ENTERTAINING?!

AHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WHATTTTTTTT?!?!?!

NO! LOL

you seem entertained
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-04 00:44:52
December 04 2017 00:43 GMT
#91
On December 04 2017 09:39 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 08:27 ShowTheLights wrote:
ALIVE MOST ENTERTAINING?!

AHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WHATTTTTTTT?!?!?!

NO! LOL

you seem entertained


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Ingvar
Profile Joined April 2015
Russian Federation421 Posts
December 04 2017 04:02 GMT
#92
I'd like to see who voted for Ascension to Auir instead of Abyssal Reef for the best map of the year to get to know the people with a lack of taste and memory
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States880 Posts
December 04 2017 04:33 GMT
#93
Can't believe soO didn't get runner-up in at least one of these categories.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
December 04 2017 16:06 GMT
#94
Can't believe LRTL didn't win tournament of the year
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StarDraKe
Profile Joined January 2009
France65 Posts
December 04 2017 16:25 GMT
#95
Hard to argue the outcome, all the winner are pretty obvious to me. We could probably discuss on the map where I prefer abyssal reef, but ascension is also a descent winner.

It almost lack some controversy or drama !
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
December 04 2017 18:16 GMT
#96
On December 05 2017 01:06 Inflicted wrote:
Can't believe LRTL didn't win tournament of the year

TL bias is dead.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
December 04 2017 18:47 GMT
#97
On December 05 2017 01:06 Inflicted wrote:
Can't believe LRTL didn't win tournament of the year

Should also win matchfixing of the year
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dswarm
Profile Joined October 2012
United States73 Posts
December 04 2017 23:32 GMT
#98
Thanks so much for making this. It was really fun to read, especially the best game of the year. So much fun to watch!
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FvRGg
Profile Joined June 2016
68 Posts
December 05 2017 02:12 GMT
#99
Great read thanks!

In all seriousness though, not having abyssal reef as best map is reeeeaaallly hard to justify, I'm really not sure where you're coming from there.
Avexyli
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States702 Posts
December 05 2017 05:05 GMT
#100
Putting Abyssal below Ascension is...

very questionable imo.

Also, "it's a much larger map than Odyssey or Abyssal"

..no it's not. It's smaller in overall area.

Odyssey uses most of it's space and has a total area of 23,712 units. Ascension has dead air space and is still only at 21,120 units.

Also, "limited expansion pattern'? What? Abyssal is the first map we've ever seen where we have 3 third base options. Though Terran and Protoss had little/no reason to use the horizontal third, there were many players who utilized (and still use) that base for specific builds and it would show with their playstyles. Having this option also is a subtle nerf to certain cheeses. For example, proxy gating at the bridge inbetween the triangular third and natural would normally shut down any attempt at taking a close-by third for reinforcements, however, taking that horizontal base would actually give you ample time to defend at least one of the bases from the proxy (I've seen ViBe utilize this on stream quite a number of times to great success).

Ascension to Aiurs middle is really uninspired, it's a highground pod with lowground chokes surrounding it. Despite being forced to, players aren't very comfortable engaging there, they would prefer to take position in the wildly open area outside of it. That pod also has two xel'naga watch towers that are extremely powerful, as they cover any reasonable attack paths for the two players, which honestly is just lazy design, you should always take those towers past the early game or you're hurting yourself, the information it gives is so vital. Aesthetically the map is just silver and green, it's honestly just really boring to look at unless you decide to take a walk around the border.

Sorry but that whole 'best map' section just reads so wrong to me.
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