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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
December 03 2017 00:06 GMT
#41
Game of the year is legitimately tough. Dark vs Stats on Ascension was amazing. But then there's Solar vs Maru on Frost, Dark vs Inno on Acolyte, sOs vs Inno on Odyssey, all the great TvTs especially on Abyssal...

I think TY vs Stats on Abyssal gets my vote, being in one of the biggest finals of the year helps
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 00:22:23
December 03 2017 00:12 GMT
#42
On December 03 2017 08:55 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2017 08:46 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 03 2017 08:43 Fango wrote:
On December 03 2017 08:27 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 03 2017 07:52 Ej_ wrote:
19 comments in, only 1 person remembered that Stats actually won 2 starleagues and winning Blizzcon doesn't automatically make you a contender for player of the year.

He won Blizzcon and 2 other tournaments.


2 starleagues > 3 weekenders

I'd agree if it were 3 Kespa Cup-like weekenders but Blizzcon is at least on par with a Starleague.



Blizzcon is better than other weekenders, but not starleague level.

Half of the players at blizzcon can't even make GSL ro16, and many qualified from tournaments months before instead of being in form at the time. And then there's having less prep time between matches, having bo5 for semis etc. It's just not the same as GSL

This is correct.

Blizzcon has money and hype, but anyone claiming that it it demands the same level of skill (or higher) to win as a Korean Starleague is simply wrong.

GSL has, is, and will remain the gold standard by which players' skill is measured. While SSL is also a Starleague and respected as such, it just doesn't carry the same weight of history and tradition that gives GSL the highest prestige.
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Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
December 03 2017 00:38 GMT
#43
Dark should have been voted the most exciting player since he played in what was regarded as the best match and the best map.

In my opinion the best map was game 3 Rogue vs Neeb where Neeb had 199 army supply to win.
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
December 03 2017 00:44 GMT
#44
To say that Blizzcon is an inferior tournament to GSL is retarded. There is only one world champion, there are 3 GSL champions.

If GSL is so superior the gold standard so to speak then a GSL champ should have won Blizzon. None of them did.

ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 03 2017 00:58 GMT
#45
On December 03 2017 09:44 Rolltide wrote:
To say that Blizzcon is an inferior tournament to GSL is retarded. There is only one world champion, there are 3 GSL champions.

If GSL is so superior the gold standard so to speak then a GSL champ should have won Blizzon. None of them did.



There is only one Kung Fu Super League, so obviously the Kung Fu Super League champion > the three GSL champions.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 03 2017 01:01 GMT
#46
TY needs his own award for winning after 11 years and with such a fashion grabbing 300k$.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
December 03 2017 01:13 GMT
#47
Im glad TL came back doing these, really nice reads all .Im surprised by the map pick tho, I tink abyssal is the best LOTV map.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
December 03 2017 01:26 GMT
#48
Nah, Dusk Towers + TY's liberators
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Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
December 03 2017 01:33 GMT
#49
His difficulties in offline events are a thing of the past


[talking about special] this is mostly true as he indeed performed well at almost every event, but the 0-3's vs snute and soO were still chokes with bad gameplay (way worse than he played up to those series'). so while he overcame his past offline disasters, he still seems to have some work ahead of him when it comes to a stable mentality all the way through a tournament.

nice article, enjoyed the read. keep up the good works lads
"You have the image of being a robotic, stoic player among foreign fans. What do you think about that?" - "I don’t think it’s incorrect." || letodSWAG
Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
December 03 2017 02:33 GMT
#50
Nothing surprising - at least for the players. Especially for aLive - really deserved that nomination :D
Best matches: Hardly to believe, but Dark vs soO on Ro16 in GSL Season 3 Code S (one of the best ZvZ if not the best I've ever witnessed), final matches between TY vs Stats at IEM Katowice, Inno vs Rogue at GSL Super Tournament 2 and even sOs vs Inno at the final in GSL Season 3 are amazing.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
December 03 2017 02:35 GMT
#51
How about Dear's Proxy dark shrine in opponents base?
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 02:45:41
December 03 2017 02:44 GMT
#52
Great to see Sidianthebard recognized. Great maps man. I also love how his other map was the runner-up. Hoping for more of his maps next year!
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
breaker1328
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada300 Posts
December 03 2017 03:00 GMT
#53
On December 03 2017 09:38 Rolltide wrote:
Dark should have been voted the most exciting player since he played in what was regarded as the best match and the best map.

In my opinion the best map was game 3 Rogue vs Neeb where Neeb had 199 army supply to win.


That would have been my vote too but you have to know TL writers will ever admit that a foreigner could do anything that would make a korean look bad.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 03 2017 03:16 GMT
#54
On December 03 2017 12:00 breaker1328 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2017 09:38 Rolltide wrote:
Dark should have been voted the most exciting player since he played in what was regarded as the best match and the best map.

In my opinion the best map was game 3 Rogue vs Neeb where Neeb had 199 army supply to win.


That would have been my vote too but you have to know TL writers will ever admit that a foreigner could do anything that would make a korean look bad.

They chose SpeCial as the breakout player when there were strong arguments for both GuMiho and Rogue. (Hell, even TY would have fit)
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
December 03 2017 03:25 GMT
#55
since when is wax writing articles on tl again?

anyway, i enjoyed it. thanks
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
December 03 2017 03:58 GMT
#56
Few picks and Unanimous Votes seem a bit weird, but overall seems quite fair.
why even
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 06:22:35
December 03 2017 04:10 GMT
#57
On December 03 2017 12:00 breaker1328 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2017 09:38 Rolltide wrote:
Dark should have been voted the most exciting player since he played in what was regarded as the best match and the best map.

In my opinion the best map was game 3 Rogue vs Neeb where Neeb had 199 army supply to win.


That would have been my vote too but you have to know TL writers will ever admit that a foreigner could do anything that would make a korean look bad.

Neeb vs Rogue was not actually a very entertaining game. It was tense, and hype because of the players/their stories, and unusual for how late it went, but if you showed that match to somebody who had never before seen SC2, they would walk away thinking the game is all about turtling and probably quite boring at that.

Neeb vs Rogue was a cool game, but it didn't have the continuous, chaotic, multitasking and seesawing action that really characterize the best games. Because major battles usually decide the fate of the game immediately, it's highly unusual–and highly entertaining–when multiple major fights occur and the two players are still even. The justly legendary Taeja vs Inno that is oft-cited as the single greatest game of SC2 was nearly an hour of continuous fighting.

Multiple games in 2017 were far more deserving of "best map" than Neeb vs Rogue. Like the Dark vs Stats one TL chose, or aLive vs Inno at Katowice, or TY vs Stats at Katowice, or TY vs Inno at GSL vs the World, or Dark vs Inno in GSL.
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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
December 03 2017 07:15 GMT
#58
Kinda surprised Abyssal didn't make it to the best map, it produced so many great games.

I think both TY and Rogue deserve the breakout player nomination, the former earned the prize money he was supposed to have earned in the last 11 years, while the latter finally proved himself with 3 championships including WCS world champion. Special did exceptionally this year especially in the global finals but he still hasn't won anything yet
dartaniar
Profile Joined October 2017
Ukraine2 Posts
December 03 2017 07:46 GMT
#59
thank you, guys, for your dedication!
and thank to all the great players for this wonderful year!
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
December 03 2017 08:08 GMT
#60
where's the eternal kong award?
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