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July 31st, 2017 15:03 GMT
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Yes, that's right. Power Ranks are back! We have decided to once again collectively decide on a ranking of the top 10 players in the world every month. This ranking will be split in two—an overall ranking and one dedicated purely to the international WCS circuit. The first of the two may include WCS players, but we felt that a lot of the time the ranking would be dominated by Korean players, leaving the top of the international scene with very little exposure.

The way our list is put together is through a very simple point-system, where each writer decides their own top 10, with more points awarded for higher placement. Points from all contributing writers are then added and the player with the most points ranks at #1. Very simple—very frustrating for us, as it almost always assures our personal rankings will not entirely make it into the finished article the way we had hoped. We hope to see as much, if not more, debate from you concerning specific placements, or even the entire list if you feel entirely unsatisfied by what we came up with. So let us know just how wrong we are, how biased we are towards Liquid players (???), and why your personal opinion is far more wise than that of our writing collective.

And so, here's our list...




#10 - (Z)Solar

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As he has been for much of his career, (Z)Solar has been hard to pin down lately. Is he an innovator or merely a mad scientist? Though Dark was the first player to pair hydralisks with zerglings and banelings in ZvT way back at the end of 2016, Solar has refined the strategy into one of the premier Zerg gameplans in the matchup. Solar remains a clever player in ZvZ and, although the tired narrative of his legendary ZvP hasn’t been spun so much in recent years, Solar is still 28-13 in the matchup over the last two months, with wins over elite Protosses, Korean and foreigner alike.

Is Solar a legitimate contender or tier two Zerg? Solar was the second best Korean Zerg in 2016, but in a slide that began with a disappointing Blizzcon, he has been supplanted by soO and more recently Rogue. Solar’s name is held in high regard, but he’s only made it out of the first group stage of GSL once this year; a truly sobering fact. He has shown more progress in his favored league, SSL, however. Making the finals of SSL Premier Season 1 is undoubtedly impressive, but when the dust settled fans were left wondering if INnoVation’s ascendency or Solar’s ineptitude was more to blame for the 4-1 slaughter. He’s off to a 2-2 start in Season 2 which once more gives fans little reason to trust Solar, a player who’s mercurial nature is well documented.

And that’s really been the story of Solar. He has all the talent in the world, but often fails to find that “next gear”. When he does, it’s a fleeting state, as he tumbles back into the pack as abruptly as the initial surge in form which brought him there. For the first time all year, Solar is looking competitive in both Starleagues. He’s in a good position as far as WCS points go and will be afforded many opportunities to strengthen his standing as July turns to August. Maybe not yet a legitimate contender, but certainly capable of catching lightning in a bottle, there’s no denying that Solar is a threat to once more join the Korean elite as both Starleagues progress.




#9 - (P)Stats

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Of all the odd ducklings currently waddling through the Korean scene at the moment, (P)Stats might just be at the front of the line. Players are bound to suffer dips in form and results in such a hypercompetitive environment, but as of late usually Stats looks a far cry from the man who took down soO back in March and claimed the title of not just GSL champion, but undisputed best player in the world. Stats rose to the mountain top, showing no signs of stopping. Even in defeat he looked impressive. He was the best player at Katowice, but wasn’t able to seal the deal. But a player can only remain on top for so long. The results kept coming for Stats. A fourth place finish in SSL Premier Season 1, a top eight in GSL Season 2, but the aura of invincibility was missing.

Flash forward a month or so and Stats is looking like a world-beater all over again. He topped a GSL group that included and is sitting atop the SSL standings after after back to back victories over aLive and Classic. Fans had every reason to expect great things from Stats heading into IEM: Shanghai. After a brief lull, he was looking every bit the WCS Korea leading point getter.

Stats’ excursion to Shanghai failed to live up to expectations, though. After squeaking by iAsonu in the first match of Group B, Rogue refused to punch Stats’ ticket to the next round. No worries, the Chinese Zerg would be even less of a challenge the second time around. iAsonu just couldn’t resist proving everyone wrong. Getting knocked out of IEM at such an early stage has to leave Stats feeling deflated. The question now is whether this result will dispel his forward momentum or if he can get right back on the horse. Stats may be automatically qualified for Blizzcon, but whether or not his opponents view him as a true challenge or a walk over has yet to be determined.




#8 - (T)GuMiho

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While INnoVation can best be described as repeatable consistency, GuMiho is the exact opposite. Not only is he capable of switching from cheese to macro game or from bio to mech in the middle of a series, but he even does so while seemingly making up builds on the fly. But to say GuMiho is just a random player would be to do him a great disservice, as he has the execution to get through any situation. Due to his long career, unique style and tendency to enter all online tournaments he can, GuMiho has probably been through nearly every possible scenario.

Yet premier success eluded him until the GSL Season 2 finals. GuMiho’s full range of skills, adaptability and resilience was on display; flowing from build to build, taking excellent fights, and reading soO when it mattered most. Since then, he's done more of the same—securing his IEM Shanghai spot (albeit flunking his test there horribly), winning the BaseTradeTV Star League June Cup, his Master's Coliseum Group, and even advancing to the Ro16 of the GSL.

Although his 71% and 84% winrates in TvP and TvT in July look impressive, it's worth noting that they're inflated by online results, as well as his stomp through the group stages of HSC, and his worrying struggles with TvZ lately could potentially point to a downtown in form. Overall though, due to his shining GSL win, his awesome online results as well as his solid offline results, GuMiho can still be counted as one of the strongest players this past month.




#7 - (Z)Dark

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It’s difficult to describe the current form of Dark. For someone who was pretty much the first, last, and only name on the list of great LotV zergs, his year-long drought in terms of tournament victories—and even grand final appearances—can only be called disappointing. Despite that, whenever Dark plays, his opponents have reason to be scared, no matter how hot their own form is at that moment: INnoVation's only the latest to find that out recently.

Dark might not reach the latest tournament stages right now, perhaps because his play is indeed riddled with small, sometimes critical, errors right now. Sometimes, he looks vulnerable, makes the wrong calls and takes too great a risk, which opens him up to punishment. Still, Dark is not far away from his terror inducing, all-devouring form, as his overall win rate of 70% at the moment throughout the board shows. All that’s missing is his stroke of genius—his black magic, as some call it—to return to him permanently and enable him to go the rest of the distance once more. We’ve seen glances of it, but too inconsistently so far.




#6 - (T)ByuN

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The world champion’s year has been rather inglorious so far, despite really strong and solid showings overall statistically. It’s those critical, decisive moments, in which he seems to have lost the qualities which had made him such a monster throughout the second half of 2016. The silver at HomeStory Cup was an improvement in this regard, but his demise there in the grand finals at the hands of a recently slumping Zest doesn’t especially induce confidence. That his strength seems to derive mainly from different early-game reaper builds, which are bound to be figured out and easily defeated eventually, is also a factor.

We know, that ByuN isn’t a one-trick pony; he wouldn’t have survived until now if he was, but for the moment his ace move isn’t a surprise to anyone, which makes him automatically vulnerable to anyone surviving the early game and building up pressure against him. The first half of 2016 looked similar for the Terran, though. It remains to be seen, if he can emulate his success from last year, but for now, a higher rank just isn’t justified, as his inconsistency in the most important moments holds him back from reaching his former, glorious heights. The top four finish at IEM in Shanghai was a start—but we expect more from a world champion.




#5 - (Z)soO

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(Z)soO begs an interesting question. Does a player need to display excellence in all three matchups to be considered elite? The bottom line is that soO’s ZvT is abysmal lately. Since taking the stage against GuMiho in the GSL Finals, he is 9-20 against Terran. The root of the problem is difficult to nail down. Whether he’s employing roached based composition or ling/bane builds with mutalisks or hydralisks, soO seems to lack a fundamental understanding of the matchup. Simply put, his ZvT a glaring blotch on his otherwise stellar form.

If one were to add his semifinal victory over Classic to the aforementioned time frame, soO is 33-10 against Zerg and Protoss during the same stretch that has seen him struggle so mightily against Terran. It’s really been a tale of two soO’s. One soO is hapless. Banshees always find sporeless mineral lines and queens are regularly out of position to defend hellion run bys. soO is often behind on supply by the time the first bio push comes and by then he’s as good as dead. The other soO is at his imperious best. Crisp decision making, indefatigable macro and the unquenchable ruthlessness that has raised him above almost everyone to have played the game.

Despite his weak form against Terran, soO is still the most impressive player of the highlander race. Rogue’s pursuit of soO’s throne is a tempestuous one full of bluster, but he has a long way to go before he can match soO’s consistency. Solar, ByuL and Dark have been chasing Starcraft 2’s ultimate kong since the turn of the calendar, but show no sign of catching up. The fact that soO is considered one of the best players in the world despite his TvZ woes is a testament to his greatness. Should he piece together a solution to that problem he would have to be considered a favorite to make a seventh GSL Final.




#4 - (P)Classic

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It has certainly taken a while, but Classic finally seems to have found his footing in Legacy of the Void. One of the best players in StarCraft II's former iteration Heart of the Swarm, Classic struggled heavily with Legacy's seemingly thinned-out arsenal of Protoss builds. Classic's strength has never been the mastery of one specific style of play, or strategy, but rather his extraordinary ability to play them all very competently, no matter how unorthodox. In 2016, there were very clear strategic pigeonholes for Protoss play at all times that were simply superior to everything else. Nowadays, Protoss strategy appears to have diversified across all match-ups and Classic has benefited greatly from it. It allows him to utilize one of his main strengths—an often underestimated ability to craft and prepare very specific strategies tailored to his opponents and the map-pool.

And so the tournaments he has begun to shine in should be of no surprise to us—as well as the ones in which he has not. His domain are individual leagues, and his performances in GSL, where he topped his Ro32 group after reaching last season's semifinals, and in SSL, where he stands at 4-1, reflect that very well. Where he has failed to deliver, however, is VSL's team league. To be perfectly honest, Classic was estimated closer to players below him than those above him in our collective opinion, but his now steady performances at a high level awarded him his ranking.

At a time when few players are constantly brilliant, Classic is one of the most consistent among them. He's perhaps not at the level of winning a Starleague yet, as he was in HotS, but he is definitely of the caliber to reach their knockout stages consistently, and that is quite rare in itself.




#3 - (Z)Rogue

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Rogue has been flirting with greatness for a few months now. After a disappointing first year and half of Legacy of the Void, Rogue reaching the legendary 7k MMR threshold on the Korean server was a bit of a surprise. When he spent May marching all the way to the quarterfinals of GSL Season 2 there were many who were far from shocked. With everything pointing in the right direction, the Jin Air Zerg who has finally found himself at the forefront of a team full of superstars. But the split from his clingy partner, mediocrity, hasn’t been without tribulation. His victory over soO in Season 2 of GSL was supposed to be his coronation as best Zerg in the world, but thanks to an untimely queen, it was further evidence that Rogue would eternally be one step shy of greatness. He may have topped his GSL group, but GuMIho’s recent losses are casting doubt on the significance of that result. Add to that his struggles in SSL Challenge and Rogue paints the picture of someone stuck on the cusp, unable to bridge the final hurdle.

But where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And this past weekend Rogue became a veritable inferno. 2017 has been a year of first time champions; TY at WESG and IEM, Stats and GuMiho at GSL. After a sensational four days Rogue is the newest member of that cadre. In a word, Rogue performance at Shanghai was dominant. After dropped games to GuMiho and Stats in the group stage, but found the next level, making a mockery of Dark, ByuN and herO by a combined score of 10-2. Dark looked impotent before Rogue’s superior build selection and execution of said builds. ByuN, a master of mechanics was regularly outpaced by Rogue’s macro. herO, one of the most cunning players to even play Starcraft 2 looked constantly outfoxed by Rogue who expertly controlled a host of Zerg units on the way to victory.

Rogue proficiency was on display in all three matches, which lines up neatly with what a lot of people already knew. Rogue is the real deal. Since his lost to soO in the GSL quarterfinals, Rogue has posted an impressive 58-21 record in games and an even more astounding 24-6 record in matches. With SSL and GSL in their fledgling stages, there has been a lack of really high profile matches in Korea over the past month or so. As a result it’s been hard to notice Rogue’s ascent. But at this point it’s impossible to deny. Rogue is one of the best players in Korea.

When analyzing Rogue’s play a few things stick out. Rogue is fearless. He makes split second calls and sees them through to the end. His execution is unmatched. Be it an all in or controlling a late game army, Rogue always looks at ease. He has shown mastery of varying compositions, using all sorts of timing to sculpt the game to his liking. If INnoVation is best at dictating the tempo and tenor of a game, Rogue is a close second. Having made the Round of 16 of GSL, a run to the finals would keep Rogue’s Blizzcon alive. Whether or not he can retain this momentum remains to be seen, but for now he is one of the most intimidating players in the game, Korean or otherwise.




#2 - (P)herO

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GSL Super Tournament champion herO ranks at #2. Coming off a Grand Final defeat at the hands of Rogue at IEM Shanghai—after an impressive tournament run—herO has firmly cemented his place among the very best players in the world. Few players have been able to put a dent in INnoVation's armor as of late, but herO at IEM did so by defeating him 3-2. A clean 4-0 sweep of his Code S Ro32 group and his IEM performance, stand in stark contrast to his disappointment in SSL. Currently 1-4 in series, herO has struggled to replicate his impeccable form of last season. Nevertheless, his highs definitely outweigh any shortcomings that may have crept into herO's play recently, and they are the reason why he ranks only below our #1—albeit quite clearly.

herO's playstyle has seldom changed since he switched over to StarCraft II—he is just as confident, sometimes overly so, and still just as aggressive as he always was. But most importantly he appears very competent in every match-up. Where HotS at times exposed weaknesses he had in overly aggressive tendencies, those flaws have been ironed out in Legacy as the game now favors those who command such a playstyle well, and herO is that player. herO was easily the best Protoss around the time of GSL's Super Tournament, as especially phoenix/adept played perfectly to his strengths, but the most recent nerf to the adept has evened the playing field a bit. Still, herO's performances when in form are the best among the top Protoss players currently playing the game, and it is only fair to rank him above them.




#1 - (T)INnoVation

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Ever since victory in SSL Premier Season 1, INnoVation has been in monstrous shape. Given all the critique that he's received over his ultra-standard style over the years, he has done a good job reinventing himself. The Machine now regularly mixes greedy builds with aggressive ones, keeping his opponents on their toes and punishing them heavily with strong mechanics whenever he gets the chance.

One observable trend from INnoVation seems to be his preference to engage in some kind of early game pressure or harass. He doesn’t seem to commit to killing his opponent early game, often just putting on enough pressure to enter the mid and late game favorably. In TvP this usually comes in the form of delaying his stim in order to execute an early drop with either pure marines or mines. When feeling pressured INnoVation delays his drop in order to get safety cyclones and when feeling confident INnoVation goes for greedy CC first builds. His variations in builds have allowed INnoVation to achieve a 71% win rate in this MU over the past month.

In TvT the Machine prefers to rely on early ravens, at times even going gas before rax or CC. This allows INnoVation to harass with auto-turrets as well as build up a strong air force to contest the mid and late game. He also makes ample use of his scouting reapers and safety cyclones, often diving in to get SCV kills or trading favorably. In TvZ INnoVation prefers more mid-term harass in the form of hellion banshee, but he won’t shy away from a 3 rax reaper.

INnoVation’s resurgence has seen him tear through a impressive number of opponents in the past four months over a veritable who's who of the KR SC2 scene, posting impressive 74% and 70% win rates in TvZ and TvP respectively, although his TvT is a somewhat notable weakness at 54%. Even when he loses, INnoVation usually does so against other top tier opponents such as ByuN, herO and Dark.

It remains to be seen if he can keep the ball rolling, or if his tendencies to over-rely on certain strategies will get the better of him. Despite the chinks in his armor starting to show, INnoVation can still be counted as the strongest player of July due his excellent results in the GSL, SSL and VSL and his 69% overall win rate.



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#5 - (Z)Snute

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Well, Snute's certainly been here before. For most of his domestic career, Snute has remained elite despite moments of stunning vulnerability. While against Koreans he's always a threat to win, he seems equally vulnerable against his fellow foreigners, and this weakness has only become more obvious with the growing tide of WCS opposition. Snute entered July on the heels of a poor performance in Jönköping, losing to Cham and dropping a map to Winter - no, not that Winter - to showcase him at his most defeated. But, in standard Snute fashion, he rose again. No matter how painful the loss, no matter how bitter the defeat, Snute has always risen back up. He showcased this resilience by returning to WCS Valencia and defeating Neeb, the reigning champion, as well as fiery opponents such as Scarlett and SpeCial to reach the finals stage. But, Snute's story has never been a fairy tale, and while he amassed an earlier lead on Elazer, he ended up losing the series in familiar, heartbreaking fashion. His performance at HomeStory Cup a week after, while not terrible, certainly didn't match his ambition- but there's no doubt that Snute will rise again. All the anguish of blown leads and disappointing tournaments only seems to fuel him, and with a return to Blizzcon at his fingertips, Snute's determination once more finds itself chasing vengeance.




#4 - (T)SpeCial

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As fans of Starcraft, we often hear mythical tales of players who perform phenomenally on the ladder and even in online competition, but when they're faced with an offline event, tend to disappointment or wallow in mediocrity. It's incredibly rare to see one of these players ever become an offline monster quite the way they were first expected to be, which makes SpeCial's 2017 so enthralling. For the longest time he was perhaps the greatest example of this; consistently elite online, and while he certainly wasn't awful when it came to offline play, he never found himself close to that finals stage. Yet, against the odds, that reputation changed. In Austin he looked ridiculous against Serral and took eventual champion Neeb to a tense five games, and he followed that up with another fantastic series against Neeb in Jönköping. It was in Valencia that he finally conquered his demons, becoming the first player of the year to defeat Neeb in a WCS playoffs series, only to falter hard against Snute and reflect many of the inconsistencies of his past self. It's certainly true that inconsistency remains as a plague to his otherwise fantastic play; he often has way-too-close matches against the likes of Bly and iAsonu, and he has yet to make a dent in the GSL, but that doesn't matter. SpeCial has done it. He's wounded a truly elite player when the stakes are at their highest, and with the once-impossible goal of reaching Blizzcon now right in front of him, SpeCial stands as the ultimate dark horse of the foreign scene. Never a favorite, but always a possibility.




#3 - (Z)Serral

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Serral has spent his career as a human ticking time bomb. In his early teens, he was already well on his way to being the most talented player in the Finnish scene, winning Insomnia XV over Welmu and elfi - the two most accomplished Finnish players at the time. His career since has been marked by numerous important footsteps, but none as dramatic as his performance in 2017 so far. He's been dominant on the ladder, crushed his way through the qualifiers for the IEM World Championship, performed phenomenally in many of the European regional events, and even made the finals of Jönköping. Of course he ended up losing to the seemingly unstoppable Neeb, but it was the most important step of a career that has so far been bubbling on the edge of success; always close, but never quite good enough. Even his results since seem to echo that thought, as he fell in Valencia to TRUE and in HomeStory Cup to uThermal; both talented players, but neither of them superstars. Regardless of a couple stumbles, it's important to realize just how far Serral has come. After years of being the player forever on the edge, forever looking into a scene he never found a place within the top echelons of, forever wanting, forever striving, he breached the gates. Last year he looked like just another rising star destined to fade out before ever etching his place within the cosmos. This year, he's well on his way to cementing his place in StarCraft history, and has looked like the straight up best foreigner in the world at certain times. While the past couple tournaments may not have gone so well for him, he's still only one or two tiny steps away from what he's already dreamed of. In Jönköping, it came down to only one map. One scattered assortment of decisions, one game in a career that has already lasted thousands, one sub-conscious error or strategical mistake. To Serral, losing that game of moments must've hurt; and with only Montreal seperating himself from Blizzcon, he has one more shot to earn the glory of finally being on top. To be the player he was always fated to be in the minds of so many, to be an idol no dissimilar to the ones he looked up to, etched in the starry skies.




#2 - (Z)Elazer

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Watching Elazer's play perfectly encapsulates his inescapable duality. At times, you see the essence of the flaws present in the foreign scene, and at other times, you see real improvements, genuine stellar play, and moments that kind of make you tear up, a little. This can be summarized in his recent match against ByuN at HomeStory Cup. Yeah, sometimes he felt panicked and made too many overlords, or made similar subtle macro errors which the Korean star punished with his fabled ease, but there was also a spark. A confidence, present in counterattacks and ceremonies and grins and crazy hats. At his worst, Elazer is reminiscent of Lilbow vs MarineKing; a player with clever strategies and mirage-esque micro who stumbles way, way out of his league. At his best, Elazer is fearless; existing outside of the moment, a player who two years ago was irrelevant and now is sparring with a veteran such as Snute in a seven game series, and legitimately earning a difficult comeback. To see Elazer's growth has been stunning and yet at the same time inevitable, because his play over the past couple years has always been a little different. At times it may scream 'generic foreign zerg', signifying another faceless mediocrity in a crowd that grows by the day and yet never seems to improve beyond okay, or occasionally good, but Elazer refuses to be pinned down perfectly. There's an ingenuity. A cleverness. A usage of tactics. Elazer is the player who overcomes obstacles the best of perhaps any foreigner who has existed in the past couple years. He possesses a special ability to improve beyond his boundaries, present both in-game (legitimately challenging ByuN in the early game), in-tournament (making the Blizzcon semifinals against all odds) and in terms of storylines (going from being destroyed by his countryman Nerchio to legitimately overcoming him). He isn't some goofy, middling foreign zerg anymore. He proved that, earned that, in Valencia. Beating Nerchio and TRUE to reach the finals would be a satisfactory footstep for most players, and for a moment - down 3-1 against the far more experienced Snute, and being outclassed most of the time - it looked as though he was going to give in. It was a very expected story. A player who had to settle for a good result, going on a significant run, but- where does it end up? Just like Elazer back at BlizzCon. A round of four result, much like a finals at Valencia, was better than expectations, but didn't matter. It wasn't a championship. It wasn't glorious. It wasn't an unforgettable moment, it was progress; and progress, for all of its due praise, is an ultimately ugly thing. A naturally inferior result. Yet, that moment was anything but ugly. It was then, with that realization, that Elazer became different; because he didn't fulfill the expected story. He came back against Snute, a player he grew up watching, a player who was a top foreigner before Elazer even reached Grandmaster. He accomplished the unexpected, and in doing so, Elazer represents the WCS system at its core; flawed, and yet beyond those flaws, carrying a hope that he can be the one who can do the unthinkable. His ability to learn and improve from the obstacles in his path has made him go from a nobody to the reigning champion, the player to be feared, beyond just bracket luck and fortunate runs. Elazer is the King of WCS. A statement so odd to be incomprehensible even a year and a half ago, and now beginning to be expected.




#1 - (P)Neeb

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It's crazy how far a player can come in a couple of years. In 2015, Neeb was best known for being the guy who race swapped from Terran to Protoss and still managed to defeat StarDust in a best of five set, eliminating him from WCS and serving as the final nail in the Korean's coffin. Hindsight is a funny thing; it's insane for such a moment, once laughed about more for StarDust's failure than for Neeb's success, to serve as such a potent preview of the future. Only a couple years later, Neeb's PvP is perhaps the best in the world, and he's gone from struggling against Koreans invading America to being the sole American to ever win a Korean event. The path to where he's ended up wasn't particularly long, or particularly incredible, but it began with a solitary decision. The decision to swap from terran to protoss, once upon a time an insignificant change up for a middling player with moderate potential and now one of the greatest What If? moments in the history of the foreign scene. Back then, in 2015, he was in the back. Watching players such as HuK and puCK and MaSa strive, while his best result came at the hands of narrow wins against players such as Guitarcheese and Alicia. In 2016, he was a leader, the chief purveyor of a surge for North American players which brought them to a chain of significant tournament accomplishments, perhaps the greatest we've seen from them in a number of years. But in 2017, he's alone. He's the king on top of the hill that maybe should've never been there. The ruler without a ceremony. Neeb's victory in KeSPA Cup encaptured all of those bittersweet moments of his career, a win greater than any the foreign scene had managed to attain in the past five years if not longer. But with Neeb, the shock was so great that everyone seemed numb afterwards. Disbelief robbed him of grandiosity. Surprise stole away his moment. The same thought could be echoed by his victories in Jönköping and Austin. He could've lost one of those close matches against TLO, and been out of the tournament, and nobody would've been too surprised beyond a couple momentary gasps. But instead he won the event, and the event after, and not many people seemed very surprised. Dominance and failure to Neeb are both just footsteps in a career that has seen far worse and far better. It seems that Neeb is an enigma; he could win Blizzcon and, would anyone be truly surprised? After all, his accomplishment in Korea with the KeSPA Cup was on a similar scale, if perhaps a little easier to discredit. But similarly, he could lose in the group stage of Montreal, disappoint in Blizzcon, and be the same player he always was, showing up in 2018 as the same elite Protoss. The same champion. Impossible to pin down, impossible to comprehend, impossible to predict.




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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
July 31 2017 15:03 GMT
#2
Wow, it's alive
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
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Last Edited: 2017-07-31 15:16:19
July 31 2017 15:14 GMT
#3
Our favorite source of mockery is back, nice !
Maybe we'll see some of that liquid bias someday too (credits to MarianoSC2 for the image)
Will read later, but the ranking itself seems good
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
July 31 2017 15:20 GMT
#4
I honesty find hard to believe ByuN is placed that high on the list and Solar being there shocks me too, I would have put maru at 10th place instead of Solar, but Im not sure if my fanboyism tricks me
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 15:23:46
July 31 2017 15:21 GMT
#5
Is TY really not top 10 player?

edit: Missed WCS list. Pretty much agree, but I'd put Kelazhur at number 5 instead of Snute.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
July 31 2017 15:25 GMT
#6
On August 01 2017 00:21 Weavel wrote:
Is TY really not top 10 player?

TY is an interesting case. You'd assume he's a top 10 player. You'd probably be right assuming he's a top 10 player. But he's not been playing in a lot of tournaments, so the position is hard to argue objectively.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 31 2017 15:28 GMT
#7
On August 01 2017 00:21 Weavel wrote:
Is TY really not top 10 player?

edit: Missed WCS list. Pretty much agree, but I'd put Kelazhur at number 5 instead of Snute.


Anyone who loses to a scrub like sOs is undeserving of a spot on this list.

As for the foreign ranking Elazer and Neeb kinda bothered me (Elazer has very weak ZvT, and Neeb has brought eternal shame to foreignerland by losing to Hurricane), but there really isn't anyone else who could fill their spots. I think a lot of people would be happier if the foreigner ranking were numbered 3-7 rather than 1-5.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
July 31 2017 15:33 GMT
#8
herO iz rated too high

Good article!
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 31 2017 15:34 GMT
#9
Nice it is back! I wonder if there is still demand for a community one now, hmmmm

Will read it later, excited to have ti back though! :D
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 31 2017 15:35 GMT
#10
But I thought Serral wasn't very good?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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Last Edited: 2017-07-31 15:37:38
July 31 2017 15:37 GMT
#11
On August 01 2017 00:20 Argonauta wrote:
I honesty find hard to believe ByuN is placed that high on the list and Solar being there shocks me too, I would have put maru at 10th place instead of Solar, but Im not sure if my fanboyism tricks me

Maru and Solar did equally poorly at IEM, they're doing about the same in SSL, but in GSL, Maru got eliminated by jjakji and Solar in the Ro32. So I'd think it's hard to make much of a case for Maru over Solar at this point.

I definitely think the exact positions are somewhat questionable though, ByuN and herO seem kinda high for example.
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 15:42:09
July 31 2017 15:37 GMT
#12
On August 01 2017 00:03 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
The sole American to ever win a Korean event.


The sole Foreigner period

Edit : Yeah Inno#1 but isn't Stats a little low ?

Won GSL1, 2nd IEM world, top 4 SSL1, top 8 GSL2, looking strong in SSL2 and qualified for ro16 GSL3 ?
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Bombit
Profile Joined February 2016
Belarus20 Posts
July 31 2017 15:44 GMT
#13
I personally belive that INnoVation can win GSL and SSL again, but always somethong goes wrong, and he lose, and It always ruins my nerves.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
July 31 2017 15:48 GMT
#14
snute over nerchio lmao
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 15:52:00
July 31 2017 15:48 GMT
#15
It's back? Wow, thanks guys!

Edit: Snute over Nerchio. It really is a real TL power rank :D
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
July 31 2017 15:51 GMT
#16
On August 01 2017 00:37 Philozovic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 00:03 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
The sole American to ever win a Korean event.


The sole Foreigner period

Edit : Yeah Inno#1 but isn't Stats a little low ?

Won GSL1, 2nd IEM world, top 4 SSL1, top 8 GSL2, looking strong in SSL2 and qualified for ro16 GSL3 ?

This is true, I just like the mirroring of 'American vs Korean invasion' and 'Korea vs American invasion'.
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
July 31 2017 16:02 GMT
#17
On August 01 2017 00:44 Bombit wrote:
I personally belive that INnoVation can win GSL and SSL again, but always somethong goes wrong, and he lose, and It always ruins my nerves.



I feel exactly the same
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
July 31 2017 16:04 GMT
#18
Stats isn't number 1. Fake list
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
July 31 2017 16:06 GMT
#19
ByuN 2nd best terran, you heard it here first!
Seriously rating him over Gumiho and TY doesn't make sense considering his only noteworthy result this year was ro4 at IEM Shanghai (same as TY).
Other then that he's done nothing all year.

But I guess he can micro reapers really well...
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
July 31 2017 16:07 GMT
#20
On August 01 2017 00:48 Musicus wrote:
It's back? Wow, thanks guys!

Edit: Snute over Nerchio. It really is a real TL power rank :D

I dunno, they must have forgotten to put TaeJa at #1
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10156 Posts
July 31 2017 16:23 GMT
#21
"punishing them heavily with strong mechanics whenever he gets the change."

"When feeling pressured INnoVation has delays his drop in order to get safety cyclones and when felling confident INnoVation has goes for greedy CC first builds"

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Kerdinand
Profile Joined November 2016
Germany113 Posts
July 31 2017 16:33 GMT
#22
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
July 31 2017 16:36 GMT
#23
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.


Innovation has been crushing every match up that isn't TvT lately as far as I've seen. It really only feels like TvT is where he is losing matches.

I can't remember the last time I saw him lose to a Zerg in an offline event.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 16:38:39
July 31 2017 16:37 GMT
#24
TY not on the list but ByuN and herO near the top.... Smh.

The only tournament this year that ByuN has done better than TY is SSl challenge right?

On August 01 2017 01:36 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.


I can't remember the last time I saw him lose to a Zerg in an offline event.


Didn't he lose in SSL to Dark last week
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Kosko_s1
Profile Joined July 2017
1 Post
July 31 2017 16:44 GMT
#25
Great Article :D
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
July 31 2017 16:48 GMT
#26
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.

He hasn't won that much? He's won twice as many legitimate premiere tournaments as any Korean since Blizzcon. (The WESG qualifiers were a blood bath, but the main event was not stacked.)
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
July 31 2017 16:59 GMT
#27
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.

that's what happens when you're the best, every lose is against someone well below you
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Kerdinand
Profile Joined November 2016
Germany113 Posts
July 31 2017 17:05 GMT
#28
On August 01 2017 01:48 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.

He hasn't won that much? He's won twice as many legitimate premiere tournaments as any Korean since Blizzcon. (The WESG qualifiers were a blood bath, but the main event was not stacked.)


Valid point I guess. Maybe there's just so much hype around him that I exspect him to steamroll every tournament so I'm always surpised that he doesn't.
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Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
July 31 2017 17:08 GMT
#29
Interesting rank. We will see how things pan out in GSL soon. I am not too convinced by ranking innovation no.1. But judging by how often casters/writers tend to "curse" player maybe all is intended.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 17:39:25
July 31 2017 17:11 GMT
#30
Innovation definitely gets results below his actual level atm.
I mentioned it in his fanclub, but the man has ridiculous win% this year, it's even comparable to Flash's 2010 in bw. Ofc i don't expect him to win (almost) everything like Flash did, but he is far, far away from that and should be at least a bit closer.
A ro8 in IEM for example is simply disappointing no matter how you look at it.


But hey there are still GSL, SSL and GSL vs the world, time to get a win and high finishes

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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
July 31 2017 17:33 GMT
#31
On August 01 2017 02:05 Kerdinand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:48 Boggyb wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.

He hasn't won that much? He's won twice as many legitimate premiere tournaments as any Korean since Blizzcon. (The WESG qualifiers were a blood bath, but the main event was not stacked.)


Valid point I guess. Maybe there's just so much hype around him that I exspect him to steamroll every tournament so I'm always surpised that he doesn't.


It's understandable, but don't forget: StarCraft is a hard, demanding game. Even the cream of the crop, in either game, will very very rarely have more than a 70% career winrate average. And even then I'd argue that in SC2 it's inflated for many players by their participation in international online cups.
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MrWayne
Profile Joined December 2016
219 Posts
July 31 2017 18:00 GMT
#32
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.
Myrddrael
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
July 31 2017 18:12 GMT
#33
Very close between the top 3 in my opinion. A good read as usual
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
July 31 2017 20:02 GMT
#34
I more or less agree with these rankings, just wished Maru and Showtime would have earned a spot. Nice rankings, thanks.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 20:16:43
July 31 2017 20:16 GMT
#35
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 22:25:02
July 31 2017 22:17 GMT
#36
RIP Zest

Would be interesting to see foreigner 6-10. It's quite hard to determine I think. Would iAsonu make it after his sick IEM performance?

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kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary483 Posts
July 31 2017 22:19 GMT
#37
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.


Dude, im not an Inno fan, but its quite clear people try to screw over Innovation in every GSL Ro16 group selection. Maybe theres a reason why ...
Why so serious?
Myrddrael
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
July 31 2017 22:22 GMT
#38
On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.


This tournament will make things clearer for sure. TY, ByuN and Innovation are my favourite players, but I'm tipping either TY or Inno to win this
highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 22:52:03
July 31 2017 22:50 GMT
#39
How long has it been since the last one? Been years, I think.

Please don't drop this again. I really enjoy SC2 PR.
highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
July 31 2017 23:01 GMT
#40
Neeb won't win Blizzcon nor reach very high in my prediction.

His form could be unpredictable but at its height it is still not enough to close the skill gap with top Koreans. He will fall short even at his absolute peak. I do not want to downplay his achievement but I think Neeb's Kespa cup win is like Marinelord all-killing top Koreans in one night. It's going to be even more unlikely at higher tier tournaments and on a long run.
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland931 Posts
July 31 2017 23:01 GMT
#41
On August 01 2017 07:50 highsis wrote:
How long has it been since the last one? Been years, I think.

Please don't drop this again. I really enjoy SC2 PR.


There was one for IEM Katowice.
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Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
July 31 2017 23:25 GMT
#42
Many Terrans appear underrated, especially TY, Gumiho, Maru, Special, Kelazhur on the other hand personally I think their strength is somewhat balance related and may be fixed to some degree by nearest patch. In general, Korean rank is slightly flawed but reflects the trends, WCS ranking is also fairly ok and justified for the time it reflects. Good article overall, thanks..
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
August 01 2017 00:02 GMT
#43
On August 01 2017 01:04 Cricketer12 wrote:
Stats isn't number 1. Fake list


Yep. Inno is the only case imo at least to challenge Stats there, but Stats at #9 is a slap to his face.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 00:39:00
August 01 2017 00:38 GMT
#44
On August 01 2017 09:02 yoshi245 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:04 Cricketer12 wrote:
Stats isn't number 1. Fake list


Yep. Inno is the only case imo at least to challenge Stats there, but Stats at #9 is a slap to his face.

Well Stats did lose to iA, which doesn't exactly help his case for being #1. It's also been quite awhile since Stats won GSL, while players like herO/Rogue/Inno have won more recently.
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 01:48:26
August 01 2017 01:44 GMT
#45
On August 01 2017 07:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
RIP Zest

Would be interesting to see foreigner 6-10. It's quite hard to determine I think. Would iAsonu make it after his sick IEM performance?


I'd personally have it at
6. Nerchio
7. TRUE
8. Kelazhur
9. uThermal
10. PtitDrogo

ShoWTimE vs PtitDrogo is super debatable - really, the entire top 10 is, the top 5 is much more concrete - but IMO they had similar HSC success, PtitDrogo did better at Valencia due to ShoWTimE failing out really earlier in qualifiers, and PtitDrogo had a nice Jonkoping run. You have to go back to Austin to find a major tournament ShoWTimE significantly did better than Drogo at, and that's quite a while ago, but maybe if I analyzed the online stuff more I'd come to a different conclusion. iAsonu doesn't get a top 10 spot because he didn't play at Valencia and his Jonkoping performance was poor, but he'd probably show up on the top 15. MaSa, Scarlett and Harstem would fill out my top 15 probably.

Also, am I missing something about the Kelazhur hype? I don't get why he's being argued for top 5; he hasn't made a finals like the top 3, he's been significantly outperformed by SpeCial domestically, and he got 3-0'd by Snute last tournament. Sure he's a crazy talented player, but I don't think his results are top 5 worthy. It's not like his online results are crazy either, but maybe other people are seeing something I'm not.
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Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
August 01 2017 04:00 GMT
#46
Good to see Inno on the top.
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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
August 01 2017 05:24 GMT
#47
This power rank looks heavily based on the results of IEM Shanghai, with the disturbing exception of TY.
And ByuN ranked this high simply because he showed up at HSC (any Korean player on this list could have made to the finals) and kept abusing reapers to cheese out the better player Soo is even more disturbing. He got trashed by Stats at GSL and he isn't in SSL premier at all, so HSC and IEM Shanghai over the Starleagues?
StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
August 01 2017 06:03 GMT
#48
i feel like Classic is a little high at No. 4. But to rank the players is pretty hard right now. i guess inno is an easy pick at No. 1 but behind that nearly every player had a lot of up and downs.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
August 01 2017 08:03 GMT
#49
Sub in TY and Dear for Solar and Stats.
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
August 01 2017 08:56 GMT
#50
Would there be honorable mentions I'd certainly put in TY and Dear, as well as even Bunny.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
August 01 2017 09:22 GMT
#51
On August 01 2017 10:44 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 07:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
RIP Zest

Would be interesting to see foreigner 6-10. It's quite hard to determine I think. Would iAsonu make it after his sick IEM performance?


I'd personally have it at
6. Nerchio
7. TRUE
8. Kelazhur
9. uThermal
10. PtitDrogo

ShoWTimE vs PtitDrogo is super debatable - really, the entire top 10 is, the top 5 is much more concrete - but IMO they had similar HSC success, PtitDrogo did better at Valencia due to ShoWTimE failing out really earlier in qualifiers, and PtitDrogo had a nice Jonkoping run. You have to go back to Austin to find a major tournament ShoWTimE significantly did better than Drogo at, and that's quite a while ago, but maybe if I analyzed the online stuff more I'd come to a different conclusion. iAsonu doesn't get a top 10 spot because he didn't play at Valencia and his Jonkoping performance was poor, but he'd probably show up on the top 15. MaSa, Scarlett and Harstem would fill out my top 15 probably.

Also, am I missing something about the Kelazhur hype? I don't get why he's being argued for top 5; he hasn't made a finals like the top 3, he's been significantly outperformed by SpeCial domestically, and he got 3-0'd by Snute last tournament. Sure he's a crazy talented player, but I don't think his results are top 5 worthy. It's not like his online results are crazy either, but maybe other people are seeing something I'm not.

TRUE as foreigner?
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
August 01 2017 09:26 GMT
#52
For GSL, Innovation No 1
For the World, Neeb no 1
Couldn't give any more shits about the rest, cuz they just ain't No 1
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 01 2017 10:49 GMT
#53
On August 01 2017 18:22 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 10:44 Soularion wrote:
On August 01 2017 07:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
RIP Zest

Would be interesting to see foreigner 6-10. It's quite hard to determine I think. Would iAsonu make it after his sick IEM performance?


I'd personally have it at
6. Nerchio
7. TRUE
8. Kelazhur
9. uThermal
10. PtitDrogo

ShoWTimE vs PtitDrogo is super debatable - really, the entire top 10 is, the top 5 is much more concrete - but IMO they had similar HSC success, PtitDrogo did better at Valencia due to ShoWTimE failing out really earlier in qualifiers, and PtitDrogo had a nice Jonkoping run. You have to go back to Austin to find a major tournament ShoWTimE significantly did better than Drogo at, and that's quite a while ago, but maybe if I analyzed the online stuff more I'd come to a different conclusion. iAsonu doesn't get a top 10 spot because he didn't play at Valencia and his Jonkoping performance was poor, but he'd probably show up on the top 15. MaSa, Scarlett and Harstem would fill out my top 15 probably.

Also, am I missing something about the Kelazhur hype? I don't get why he's being argued for top 5; he hasn't made a finals like the top 3, he's been significantly outperformed by SpeCial domestically, and he got 3-0'd by Snute last tournament. Sure he's a crazy talented player, but I don't think his results are top 5 worthy. It's not like his online results are crazy either, but maybe other people are seeing something I'm not.

TRUE as foreigner?


It's a WCS ranking, not limited to non-Koreans!
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 01 2017 15:11 GMT
#54
Innovation #1 <3

Gumiho though. Wow. Given that I stopped following the scene, that's a surprise.
njoe
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden26 Posts
August 01 2017 15:42 GMT
#55
I guess the list has its moments, but herO at 2 and Classic at 4?
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 01 2017 15:42 GMT
#56
On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.


And ByuN has? I suppose the list is based of online performances? Because ByuNs best result all year is a ro4 at IEM, which TY also did (along with a year of better results than Byun)
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 16:38:21
August 01 2017 16:37 GMT
#57
On August 02 2017 00:42 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.


And ByuN has? Because ByuNs best result all year is a ro4 at IEM, which TY also did (along with a year of better results than Byun)

Yes. Almost 5 times as many tournament games if we include online (and even offline only, it's more than twice as many). And what their best result across the whole year is doesn't matter when judging players by current form.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
August 01 2017 16:39 GMT
#58
On August 02 2017 01:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2017 00:42 Fango wrote:
On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.


And ByuN has? Because ByuNs best result all year is a ro4 at IEM, which TY also did (along with a year of better results than Byun)

Yes. Almost 5 times as many tournament games if we include online (and even offline only, it's more than twice as many). And what their best result across the whole year is doesn't matter when judging players by current form.


Seriously, how many times have we seen someone win a tournament only to get crushed in groups the next time they play 3 weeks later?

It's always been this way. Doesn't matter what you did 3 or 6 months ago.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 01 2017 17:41 GMT
#59
On August 02 2017 00:11 boxerfred wrote:
Innovation #1 <3

Gumiho though. Wow. Given that I stopped following the scene, that's a surprise.

Holy shit you are back
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 18:05:04
August 01 2017 18:04 GMT
#60
On August 02 2017 01:39 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2017 01:37 Elentos wrote:
On August 02 2017 00:42 Fango wrote:
On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.


And ByuN has? Because ByuNs best result all year is a ro4 at IEM, which TY also did (along with a year of better results than Byun)

Yes. Almost 5 times as many tournament games if we include online (and even offline only, it's more than twice as many). And what their best result across the whole year is doesn't matter when judging players by current form.


Seriously, how many times have we seen someone win a tournament only to get crushed in groups the next time they play 3 weeks later?

It's always been this way. Doesn't matter what you did 3 or 6 months ago.



Right, so when Gumiho won GSL then started losing to "lesser" players at IEM and HSC shortly after, why is he on here?

Results 3 or 6 months ago matter when a player has been consistant for that time. TY has his WeSG/IEM win, consecutive GSL playoffs, and then a ro4 at IEM. To me, that shows he's stronger than guys like ByuN that don't have any exceptional results but play more often

If you really wanna say TY hasn't won a tournament in 4-5 months and so doesn't deserve a spot then fine. But then why is Solar on the list? All he has in an SSL final from last season. Why is Dark on here when he's been going downhill for months? The only justification is that Solar and Dark are in SSL (and TY isn't), which they aren't even doing that well in
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 18:12:32
August 01 2017 18:06 GMT
#61
On August 02 2017 03:04 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2017 01:39 207aicila wrote:
On August 02 2017 01:37 Elentos wrote:
On August 02 2017 00:42 Fango wrote:
On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.


And ByuN has? Because ByuNs best result all year is a ro4 at IEM, which TY also did (along with a year of better results than Byun)

Yes. Almost 5 times as many tournament games if we include online (and even offline only, it's more than twice as many). And what their best result across the whole year is doesn't matter when judging players by current form.


Seriously, how many times have we seen someone win a tournament only to get crushed in groups the next time they play 3 weeks later?

It's always been this way. Doesn't matter what you did 3 or 6 months ago.



Right, so when Gumiho won GSL then started losing to "lesser" players at IEM and HSC shortly after, why is he on here?

Results 3 or 6 months ago matter when a player has been consistant for that time. TY has his WeSG/IEM win, consecutive GSL playoffs, and then a ro4 at IEM. To me, that shows he's stronger than guys like ByuN that don't have any exceptional results but play more often

If you really wanna say TY hasn't won a tournament in 4-5 months and so doesn't deserve a spot then fine. But then why is Solar on the list? All he has in an SSL final from last season. Why is Dark on here when he's been going downhill for months? The only justification is that Solar and Dark are in SSL (and TY isn't), which they aren't even doing that well in


Well it's a power rank after all, no sense in asking me why X and Y are there, I didn't make it. In fact I'm more inclined to agree with you on this than with the writer.

At the same time I realize that at that point, who *do you* even put on the PR?

This is why Power Ranks in SC2 are always so weird, and I imagine it's a big part of why they stopped making them (unless you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that TL staff don't give a shit about SC anymore I guess). When they made PRs for BW it made sense because there were only a few tournaments, happening 2-3 times a year. There was no flying around the globe every month to compete in like 5 different tournament franchises. Sure there was WCG and BlizzCon, but do you really think KeSPA pros would practice too much to own a bunch of white (and Chinese) dudes in a tournament that their team's sponsors couldn't give less of a shit about?

In SC2 you win GSL today only to drop out 1st round the next season, or you get embarrassed by foreigners at DreamHack because of XYZ circumstances (which may or may not be travel-related) only to make GSL finals next month. There's so many events going on all the time (even more if you include online ones) that even the best player will never look good for too long.
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Toudeleski
Profile Joined August 2011
United States66 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 18:12:52
August 01 2017 18:12 GMT
#62
Soo higher than Gummyho lol maybe the most laughable power rank yet.
glhf
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-01 18:17:52
August 01 2017 18:16 GMT
#63
On August 02 2017 03:06 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2017 03:04 Fango wrote:
On August 02 2017 01:39 207aicila wrote:
On August 02 2017 01:37 Elentos wrote:
On August 02 2017 00:42 Fango wrote:
On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.


And ByuN has? Because ByuNs best result all year is a ro4 at IEM, which TY also did (along with a year of better results than Byun)

Yes. Almost 5 times as many tournament games if we include online (and even offline only, it's more than twice as many). And what their best result across the whole year is doesn't matter when judging players by current form.


Seriously, how many times have we seen someone win a tournament only to get crushed in groups the next time they play 3 weeks later?

It's always been this way. Doesn't matter what you did 3 or 6 months ago.



Right, so when Gumiho won GSL then started losing to "lesser" players at IEM and HSC shortly after, why is he on here?

Results 3 or 6 months ago matter when a player has been consistant for that time. TY has his WeSG/IEM win, consecutive GSL playoffs, and then a ro4 at IEM. To me, that shows he's stronger than guys like ByuN that don't have any exceptional results but play more often

If you really wanna say TY hasn't won a tournament in 4-5 months and so doesn't deserve a spot then fine. But then why is Solar on the list? All he has in an SSL final from last season. Why is Dark on here when he's been going downhill for months? The only justification is that Solar and Dark are in SSL (and TY isn't), which they aren't even doing that well in


Well it's a power rank after all, no sense in asking me why X and Y are there, I didn't make it. In fact I'm more inclined to agree with you on this than with the writer.

At the same time I realize that at that point, who *do you* even put on the PR?


A PR should be a kinda rough way of saying "if these guys all entered a tournament today who'd be most likely to win"

The best way to do it is to look at recent tournaments (GSL, SSL, IEM) and see who's played exceptionally/looks like they're in good form. If someone hasn't played in as many tournaments recently, then you look at what they have played in and make a guess from that.

Hence why it makes no sense to have in a player with a lot of average-decent results (ie Solar), but ignore a player with great results that only plays in premier events (ie TY)
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 01 2017 18:30 GMT
#64
On August 02 2017 03:12 Toudeleski wrote:
Soo higher than Gummyho lol maybe the most laughable power rank yet.


It's comments like these we write them for
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 01 2017 18:33 GMT
#65
Mizenhauer asked us yesterday in the twitch chat to make predictions about which writer wrote what part of the PR.
While i read a lot of your things i still think it's pretty hard, damn
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1876 Posts
August 01 2017 18:57 GMT
#66
On August 02 2017 03:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Mizenhauer asked us yesterday in the twitch chat to make predictions about which writer wrote what part of the PR.
While i read a lot of your things i still think it's pretty hard, damn


It's gonna be an uphill climb, but I have faith.
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highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
August 01 2017 19:38 GMT
#67
#9 Stats playing #1 Inno next SSL.

My guess is 2:1 for Stats.
kplr
Profile Joined December 2016
1 Post
August 01 2017 22:07 GMT
#68
This year so far:
TY - Katowice 1st, GSL1 Quarterfinals, GSL2 Quarterfinals, GSL3 Round of 16, Shanghai Semifinals.
ByuN - Katowice Quarterfinals, GSL1 Round of 32, GSL2 Quarterfinals, GSL3 Round of 16, Shanghai Semifinals.

Why is ByuN #6? I don't get it.

Source
- http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TY/Results
- http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ByuN/Results
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
August 01 2017 22:17 GMT
#69
Yeah but have you seen Byuns micro?
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
August 02 2017 04:37 GMT
#70
On August 02 2017 07:17 Phredxor wrote:
Yeah but have you seen Byuns micro?

The best micro player in the history of SC2
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
August 02 2017 06:48 GMT
#71
On August 02 2017 13:37 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2017 07:17 Phredxor wrote:
Yeah but have you seen Byuns micro?

The best micro player in the history of SC2

Everyone says so!
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 06:58:20
August 02 2017 06:55 GMT
#72
On August 02 2017 15:48 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2017 13:37 Sakat wrote:
On August 02 2017 07:17 Phredxor wrote:
Yeah but have you seen Byuns micro?

The best micro player in the history of SC2

Everyone says so!

Trust me. It's a fact. Just ask Neeb.
Denominator of the Universe
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 02 2017 07:26 GMT
#73
Byun is the new Taeja (aka PR Bonjwa)
gg no re thx
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
August 02 2017 07:42 GMT
#74
On August 02 2017 16:26 RKC wrote:
Byun is the new Taeja (aka PR Bonjwa)


Nah, ByuN's won a GSL.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
August 02 2017 08:40 GMT
#75
he could win Blizzcon and, would anyone be truly surprised?

Errrr, yes.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
August 02 2017 16:01 GMT
#76
On August 02 2017 16:26 RKC wrote:
Byun is the new Taeja (aka PR Bonjwa)

You dare mock the god TaeJa? Blasphemy.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
August 02 2017 16:04 GMT
#77
On August 03 2017 01:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2017 16:26 RKC wrote:
Byun is the new Taeja (aka PR Bonjwa)

You dare mock the god TaeJa? Blasphemy.

Don't worry, the Inquisition is on his heels right as we speak. All Heretics shall be terminated.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
August 02 2017 17:40 GMT
#78
On August 02 2017 03:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Mizenhauer asked us yesterday in the twitch chat to make predictions about which writer wrote what part of the PR.
While i read a lot of your things i still think it's pretty hard, damn

If it's WCS, it's Soul.

Not sure whether to be offended or complimented that not many are complaining about the WCS PR.
Writermaru pls
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 02 2017 17:46 GMT
#79
I think both PRs are reasonable enough, the first one is also kinda hard to do because nobody really knows what results to count, etc.
Now the next one one month later will be easier to criticize :D
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
August 03 2017 03:39 GMT
#80
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.


I guess you didn't watch SSL and VSL ss2 did you ? The way he won by crushing 4-0 and 4-1 Solar and Soo made people call him unbeatable, but ofc everyone can fall short.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-03 09:57:35
August 03 2017 09:54 GMT
#81
Aside from hero at n.2 (wtf??? :D :D :D) its actually pretty good. Mine, just based on current power/form
1. Rogue
2. Zest - its unfortunate that we wont see him in any tournies he really is on fire right now... :/
3. Stats
4. Inno
5. soO
6. Classic
7. Gumiho
8. herO
9. Solar
10. Dear
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
August 03 2017 09:59 GMT
#82
On August 03 2017 18:54 MarianoSC2 wrote:
2. Zest - its unfortunate that we wont see him in any tournies he really is on fire right now... :/


Wouldn't surprise me if we saw him in SHOUTCraft Kings later this month. Would be nice.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
August 03 2017 12:05 GMT
#83
See? What did I tell about Stats? He is underestimated. Don't write him off for his loss in China.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 03 2017 14:41 GMT
#84
On August 03 2017 21:05 highsis wrote:
See? What did I tell about Stats? He is underestimated. Don't write him off for his loss in China.

Stats is always underrated its in his nature
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zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
August 05 2017 15:28 GMT
#85
TY the one not beeing on the list now in gsl vs the world in the final good job
TY my boy gogo
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
August 06 2017 13:47 GMT
#86
Correctly identified TY as the weakling in Korea. I am starting to get afraid, TY's loss against sOs did not mean, sOs getting back in form before the final BlizzCon run.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 06 2017 13:50 GMT
#87
Yeah getting second is really bad
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
August 06 2017 16:37 GMT
#88
So much for Innovation being overrated. He barely broke a sweat winning this tournament.

If he maintains this form, Blizzcon is all but his.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
August 06 2017 17:13 GMT
#89
On August 06 2017 22:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Yeah getting second is really bad

Second is good, losing to Kelazhur is not :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 10 2017 15:24 GMT
#90
On August 02 2017 02:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2017 00:11 boxerfred wrote:
Innovation #1 <3

Gumiho though. Wow. Given that I stopped following the scene, that's a surprise.

Holy shit you are back

Since a while already, actually.
Autumn22
Profile Joined August 2016
26 Posts
August 10 2017 17:37 GMT
#91
EU Zergs, they may not dominate SC2, but dammit do they dominate power rankings.

Snute at 5 has to be trolling.
Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
August 11 2017 02:44 GMT
#92
No way hero should be above Classic
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
August 17 2017 05:30 GMT
#93
On August 01 2017 00:37 Philozovic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 00:03 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
The sole American to ever win a Korean event.


The sole Foreigner period

Edit : Yeah Inno#1 but isn't Stats a little low ?

Won GSL1, 2nd IEM world, top 4 SSL1, top 8 GSL2, looking strong in SSL2 and qualified for ro16 GSL3 ?

Grrrrrrr
Faker is the GOAT!
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
August 31 2017 11:35 GMT
#94
The front page is still linking to July not August?
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 07 2017 17:01 GMT
#95
are we gonna get another power rank for september
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 07 2017 17:03 GMT
#96
Maybe a pre-Blizzcon power rank?
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 08 2017 09:12 GMT
#97
You'll see soon
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
October 08 2017 18:11 GMT
#98
On October 08 2017 02:01 Pandain wrote:
are we gonna get another power rank for september

It's coming this week
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 08 2017 19:23 GMT
#99
Rogue INno Dark and herO will be in the top 5
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
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