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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On June 10 2017 13:37 TT1 wrote: avilo is a 1 dimensional player so this would actually be a good case study :D, it's highly unlikely that he'll prepare a cheesy build to steal a game. If avilo wins a game with a dank meme build I will sub to his channel for 1 year even though I dont really watch. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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getg00d
United States120 Posts
On June 10 2017 15:47 Ej_ wrote: Why does anyone here act like this match would have the slightest chance of happening? Hype it up bro... Why don't you think this will happen? | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 10 2017 11:47 Suchbalancemuchwow wrote: Wow. Great argument. Okay, Good day. I can do this too by the way, you seem like an idiot because you don't capitalize your sentences. it's extremely apparent. Hilarious. User was warned for this post I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm not sure why you choose to critique TT1's slight grammar error, when you yourself make some really odd choices in terms of grammar and sentence structure. Like, "Okay, Good day." Why is 'good' capitalized? It's not a proper noun, as far I can tell. Then, the next sentence you wrote is almost downright baffling: "I can do this too by the way, you seem like an idiot because you don't capitalize your sentences. it's extremely apparent." Which, with some corrections, should read: "I, too, can form ad hominem arguments. For example, I could say: 'You seem like an idiot because you don't capitalize the beginning of your sentences', but that would not be productive." The sentence "it's extremely apparent" (which, ironically, is not capitalized at the beginning) can be omitted entirely. Furthermore, I think it would have been much more productive for you to reply with something along the lines of: "My level of skill may or may not have an influence on my opinion, however, that seems irrelevant to the larger point of my argument. Regardless of me being Bronze or Grandmaster, I do not think TLO can overcome the self-imposed handicaps he's placed upon himself to be victorious in every game. I may be wrong, but that remains to be seen." | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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dalaiisc2
18 Posts
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TT1
Canada9984 Posts
On June 10 2017 16:39 ninazerg wrote: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm not sure why you choose to critique TT1's slight grammar error, when you yourself make some really odd choices in terms of grammar and sentence structure. Like, "Okay, Good day." Why is 'good' capitalized? It's not a proper noun, as far I can tell. Then, the next sentence you wrote is almost downright baffling: "I can do this too by the way, you seem like an idiot because you don't capitalize your sentences. it's extremely apparent." Which, with some corrections, should read: "I, too, can form ad hominem arguments. For example, I could say: 'You seem like an idiot because you don't capitalize the beginning of your sentences', but that would not be productive." The sentence "it's extremely apparent" (which, ironically, is not capitalized at the beginning) can be omitted entirely. Furthermore, I think it would have been much more productive for you to reply with something along the lines of: "My level of skill may or may not have an influence on my opinion, however, that seems irrelevant to the larger point of my argument. Regardless of me being Bronze or Grandmaster, I do not think TLO can overcome the self-imposed handicaps he's placed upon himself to be victorious in every game. I may be wrong, but that remains to be seen." its not a grammar error, its a way of life my capslock key is reserved only for clan x17 | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On June 10 2017 12:14 yhellothere12 wrote: Please elaborate how he cons people out of money? I'd be here all day. A lot of his scams are well documented though, suffice to say he cons people out of money pretty much by existing. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 10 2017 08:55 blade55555 wrote: The odds of that happening I would put at 1%. Avilo is awful when compared to pros who play the game. There is a reason he's always low GM. I would be shocked if TLO didn't 5-0 him. It's really not hard to beat Avilo. If you say that the probability of avilo winning 5-0 is 1%, then you are saying that there is a 0.01^(1/5) = 40% chance for avilo winning one game. Which means a 1 - 0.01^(1/5) = 60% chance of TL winning one game. Which is a (1 - 0.01^(1/5))^5 = 8% chance of TLO winning 5 in a row. And that sounds pretty low, seeing how confident he is in the challenge. So in conclusion, I think you are overestimating avilos chances with 1%. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 10 2017 17:31 Cascade wrote: If you say that the probability of avilo winning 5-0 is 1%, then you are saying that there is a 0.01^(1/5) = 40% chance for avilo winning one game. Which means a 1 - 0.01^(1/5) = 60% chance of TL winning one game. Which is a (1 - 0.01^(1/5))^5 = 8% chance of TLO winning 5 in a row. And that sounds pretty low, seeing how confident he is in the challenge. So in conclusion, I think you are overestimating avilos chances with 1%. MATHED | ||
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ByuuN
Poland678 Posts
On June 10 2017 04:29 _Epi_ wrote: Before patches 3.8 and later mech was less popular on pro level.To be fair, mech was played waaaay more often in HotS than it is now. You hardly see mech in GSL with LotV. Back to topic, GOGOGOGO - BRING IT ON  | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
If he does not move out you just take over the map and win by having twice the economy. So basically it is not possible for Zerg to lose against mech if he does not screw up. I do not understand what TLO tries to prove? Is his aim to prove that Zerg rolls over mech even without using Swarm Hosts and Vipers? I thought that was really quite obvious anyway? Or is his goal to show that even low tier pro players are better than GM players? But that is also obvious. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On June 10 2017 18:53 MockHamill wrote: All you need to beat mech is Queens, Nydus and Roaches. As soon as the mech player moves out you kill his main then teleport back to yours. If he does not move out you just take over the map and win by having twice the economy. So basically it is not possible for Zerg to lose against mech if he does not screw up. I do not understand what TLO tries to prove? Is his aim to prove that Zerg rolls over mech even without using Swarm Hosts and Vipers? I thought that was really quite obvious anyway? Or is his goal to show that even low tier pro players are better than GM players? But that is also obvious. TLO won a ladder game going roach/queen/infestor vs Avilo, who did some bizarro mass expand turtle build and just let the Zerg take over the map and Avilo spent the entire stream bitching about how OP "energy units" are for Zerg and Zerg can only win because of that, then he called him a retard. Basically Avilo went full Avilo. I guess TLO took offense. | ||
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AlexGPunkt
Germany258 Posts
I would love to see this happening!!!! Besides the reasoning on why any of them should do this and if any of the players proofs anything, I think the HYPE that this is creating is a good thing. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6498 Posts
On June 10 2017 19:52 AlexGPunkt wrote: No statement from avilow yet? I would love to see this happening!!!! Besides the reasoning on why any of them should do this and if any of the players proofs anything, I think the HYPE that this is creating is a good thing. im not sure but TLO is a top progamer and avilo is some big noob.i dont really understand what TLO is doing here except maybe getting some hype for him.^^ and so avilo haters can dinner him over and over. | ||
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AlexGPunkt
Germany258 Posts
On June 10 2017 19:56 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: im not sure but TLO is a top progamer and avilo is some big noob.i dont really understand what TLO is doing here except maybe getting some hype for him.^^ and so avilo haters can dinner him over and over. I get the reasoning and motivations pro and con for each side, I just dont care :D I like this grudge match and the Hype around it. My point is that it is a good thing for the scene. | ||
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Kerdinand
Germany113 Posts
On June 10 2017 19:27 Thax wrote: TLO won a ladder game going roach/queen/infestor vs Avilo, who did some bizarro mass expand turtle build and just let the Zerg take over the map and Avilo spent the entire stream bitching about how OP "energy units" are for Zerg and Zerg can only win because of that, then he called him a retard. Basically Avilo went full Avilo. I guess TLO took offense. It is also worth noting that TLO played on a smurf account, and when Avilo realized who it was he claimed that TLO stream sniped him and that he would beat him if they played a "real best of 5" under their actual names. I think that was the statement that triggered TLO to challenge him to a Bo5. On June 10 2017 17:31 Cascade wrote: If you say that the probability of avilo winning 5-0 is 1%, then you are saying that there is a 0.01^(1/5) = 40% chance for avilo winning one game. Which means a 1 - 0.01^(1/5) = 60% chance of TL winning one game. Which is a (1 - 0.01^(1/5))^5 = 8% chance of TLO winning 5 in a row. And that sounds pretty low, seeing how confident he is in the challenge. So in conclusion, I think you are overestimating avilos chances with 1%. And that calculation is even assuming that both players have the same chances on every map. If you manipulate that a bit (f. e. 1% on the first map for Avilo, 100% for him on every other map -> avilo still has 1% chance for 5-0) the chances for TLO are even smaller (0% in the example above). Poor guy, being really underestimated here. Makes me wonder what the Liquibets on this match would look like.  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43756 Posts
On June 10 2017 02:17 ninazerg wrote: I WILL CAST IT Oh fuck yeah. I think TLO would easily win under normal circumstances, but I think that he's handicapped himself too much here. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
My guess is, Avilo values his pride more than the potential of winning $600. I would guess if the people who are donating money to the prize offer Avilo a minimum amount of money to simply participate in this show match, in addition to the total prize, Avilo may consider it. I don't know what this "minimum amount" is but you guys could probably negotiate this with Avilo. This way, Avilo walks away with something, even if he loses. You can also increase the prize but I'm guessing Avilo feels even if you increase the prize, he may still walk away with nothing. This is why I suggest offering him a "minimum amount" for simply participating, separate of the total prize. Otherwise, I don't think this match is going to happen. | ||
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