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Notes (thanks to velocekr): - Season 1's semifinalists are automatically top 4 (red square).
- If GSL points are the same, 2016 GSL points are compared (ex. TY and INno)
- Season 1's champ and runner-up got to choose opponent from Tier 4
 Stats ->  Scarlett
soO -> Trust
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Poll: Group of Death?None of the above (103) 49% A (33) 16% D (33) 16% C (9) 4% E (8) 4% F (8) 4% H (7) 3% B (4) 2% G (4) 2% 209 total votes Your vote: Group of Death? (Vote): A
(Vote): B
(Vote): C
(Vote): D
(Vote): E
(Vote): F
(Vote): G
(Vote): H
(Vote): None of the above
Poll: How RIP are the foreigners?Pretty RIP (187) 50% Super RIP (106) 28% Not RIP, have faith (79) 21% 372 total votes Your vote: How RIP are the foreigners? (Vote): Pretty RIP
(Vote): Super RIP
(Vote): Not RIP, have faith
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Hope our two foreigners will do well... When will the next ladder season commence?
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Wow, those groups look pretty balanced to me. The tier system is doing it's job.
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Scarlett miiiiight do it, but it'll be tough. Major is screwed.
Foreigners pretty RIP, but not nearly as RIP as Zest is gonna be xD. Two strong Terrans and a PvP player who has good shot at beating him.
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I'd say the opposite.
Scarlett has 2 P in her group, and Major can do quite well in TvT.
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51432 Posts
lol i like how soo picked trust over major
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So Afreeca is actually calling MajOr SpeCial...
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On April 12 2017 16:08 GTR wrote:
lol i like how soo picked trust over major
ofc. He's a Zerg. The manliest race
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Nicely balanced groups, really tough call for Scarlett, but hopefully she can surprize. Happy to finally see Rogue after a long time, but very tough vs. TY and Patience.
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On April 12 2017 16:16 Diabolique wrote:
Nicely balanced groups, really tough call for Scarlett, but hopefully she can surprize. Happy to finally see Rogue after a long time, but very tough vs. TY and Patience.
and Bunny who rekt him in last season's ro32
I think F is probably the closest to a group of death. Everyone is competitive.
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Major still doing name changes =|
Just stick with Major plz Juan, it's suited you well for years now.
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I thought major was dqed or something for a short time. Then I saw his name was special. Stick to one please major
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On April 12 2017 16:41 Corvuuss wrote:
I thought major was dqed or something for a short time. Then I saw his name was special. Stick to one please major
That was last year, and it was only for a WCS tournament.
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On April 12 2017 16:41 Corvuuss wrote:
I thought major was dqed or something for a short time. Then I saw his name was special. Stick to one please major
Asking Major to stick to one name is like asking him to stop playing Pokemon, it just isn't going to happen. It's part of his being.
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Stats picked Scarlett and soO picked Trust, that's funny. I can't wait a month for the foreigner's groups to start!
On April 12 2017 16:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
So Afreeca is actually calling MajOr SpeCial...
He submitted the name himself, maybe to blend in with the Korean BW players who change their name all the time? Or maybe it's his secret Pokémon Master identity and he wants to get that cohesive branding going, who knows.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
holy moly, that's going to be tough for Creator
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Aren't all GSL winners supposed to choke and lose in the ro32 of the next GSL? So maybe scarlett has a chance, 
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On April 12 2017 17:33 Lorning wrote:
holy moly, that's going to be tough for Creator
What do you mean tough? :D
I don't think that he has the slightest chance of going through.
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On April 12 2017 18:03 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2017 17:33 Lorning wrote:
holy moly, that's going to be tough for Creator What do you mean tough? :D I don't think that he has the slightest chance of going through.
Zest has been not too hot lately and if Creator takes a few pointers from herO on how to PvT there is a chance
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On April 12 2017 18:19 Ej_ wrote:
Scarlett 0-2 or 1-2?
Depends how much hype she gets, if she gets a lot of hype then 0-2 for sure.
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On April 12 2017 18:03 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2017 17:33 Lorning wrote:
holy moly, that's going to be tough for Creator What do you mean tough? :D I don't think that he has the slightest chance of going through.
You say that and I would agree, except after losing to JYP last time at the qualifiers I wouldn't have given him the slightest chance of making it this far. So he's already proven anything is possible.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
Stats picking scarlett ouch!
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France12785 Posts
Foreigners could both qualify but it's gonna be hard for Major to beat herO except if he has the champion slump as well
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So,, Major now become Special ??
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On April 12 2017 16:16 Diabolique wrote:
Nicely balanced groups, really tough call for Scarlett, but hopefully she can surprize. Happy to finally see Rogue after a long time, but very tough vs. TY and Patience.
We'll see tomorrow in VSL how Rogue fares against Patience
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On April 12 2017 20:18 Poopi wrote:
Foreigners could both qualify but it's gonna be hard for Major to beat herO except if he has the champion slump as well
Hard to beat Byun too, he 4-0'd Major 2 weeks ago in the Gauntlet
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Well... let's see how SpeCial Major is when he goes up against byun and hero 
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You can almost say that Major got a special group 
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On April 12 2017 18:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2017 18:03 Ramiz1989 wrote:On April 12 2017 17:33 Lorning wrote:
holy moly, that's going to be tough for Creator What do you mean tough? :D I don't think that he has the slightest chance of going through. Zest has been not too hot lately and if Creator takes a few pointers from herO on how to PvT there is a chance
So what your saying is.....protoss above all?
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Australia18228 Posts
Classic got Scarlett again, what a lucky guy
That anti-foreigner bias tho, Scarlett's ends up Tier 4 tied with 7 other people which lets Stats pick her
If she got Armani's spot, herO-Scarlett-MajOr-ByuN would've been a hilarious group
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On April 12 2017 20:31 MushinSSC wrote:
So,, Major now become Special ??
Major has changed his tag 1800000 times. People are still gonna call him Major
aLive got a pretty doable group! And I don't think Scarlett is completely screwed but she got a bit of a tough draw with Stats/Classic
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I don't see Major or Scarlett get out of their groups. Stats and Classic vs Scarlett. Classic may not be on top form but he is still scary, especially he has soO and Leenock to practice with.
Major actually has a better chance. TvT can be unpredictable and his TvZ ain't so bad. Assuming herO makes out first and Major vs ByuN for final match and ByuN chokes like he did vs Ryung, Major can totally get out (wishful thinking though).
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I think Majors group is doable to get out of. Sometimes Major is genius in TvT and Byun is having a meh year so far so I think he can beat Byun and Armani on a good day.
Scarlett has a harder time, Stats and Classic are just so sick. Though I'm not sure of Classic's current form.
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On April 12 2017 22:59 Inflicted wrote:
That anti-foreigner bias tho
i think it's just being realistic
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On April 12 2017 22:59 Inflicted wrote:
Classic got Scarlett again, what a lucky guy
That anti-foreigner bias tho, Scarlett's ends up Tier 4 tied with 7 other people which lets Stats pick her
If she got Armani's spot, herO-Scarlett-MajOr-ByuN would've been a hilarious group
Read closer. Ties are broken by 2016 GSL WCS points, on which Scarlett had none and the others had some. Is it a little anti foreigner, maaaaaybe, but probably wasnt really intentional
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goddamnit major hahahahaha
He is truly embracing the Korean culture. Who knows, maybe it actually helps him...
Major is gonna have problems but Scarlett can definitely make it.
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Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32
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On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32
It is known Scarlett hates Protoss. Often she is tilted towards Protoss already so that makes Stats' job even easier. He is always a solid P which basically counters everything Scarlett does, proxy-hatch included.
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On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32
He wants to defend the honor of Korea from the foreign infidels.
But actually, Stats picked her for the same reason soO picked Trust. He thinks he will get an easy win.
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i still have faith in scarlett
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On April 13 2017 00:48 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32 He wants to defend the honor of Korea from the foreign infidels. But actually, Stats picked her for the same reason soO picked Trust. He thinks he will get an easy win.
Surprised soO didn't just pick Major.
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On April 12 2017 17:33 Lorning wrote:
holy moly, that's going to be tough for Creator
any group would be tough for him since he's the 32nd strongest player in code s
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On April 13 2017 01:12 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 00:48 pvsnp wrote:On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32 He wants to defend the honor of Korea from the foreign infidels. But actually, Stats picked her for the same reason soO picked Trust. He thinks he will get an easy win. Surprised soO didn't just pick Major.
soO's probably more confident against a weak Protoss than against a weak Terran.
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No matter what happens, group g is going to hurt.
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On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett,
maybe he has a crush on her 
or maybe he just wants to CRUSH her 
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On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32
I'm willing to bet Stats is aware she plays pretty cheesy in that match up and thinks he can easily prepare for it. That, or he looked at aligulac and saw she's had a rough couple of weeks. Either way. I'm definitely nervous for her
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On April 13 2017 03:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32 I'm willing to bet Stats is aware she plays pretty cheesy in that match up and thinks he can easily prepare for it. That, or he looked at aligulac and saw she's had a rough couple of weeks. Either way. I'm definitely nervous for her
I'm very much looking forward to some Zerg cheeses like proxy-hatch, spine crawler rush. Zerg players don't cheese much these days. Kind of want to see some.
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On April 12 2017 23:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I think Majors group is doable to get out of. Sometimes Major is genius in TvT and Byun is having a meh year so far so I think he can beat Byun and Armani on a good day.
Scarlett has a harder time, Stats and Classic are just so sick. Though I'm not sure of Classic's current form.
He still has made as much cash as INno in spite of "meh" year, ByuN standard o/.
ByuN got beaten by Jjakji so there is definitely hope for MajOr in bo3.
I'm a bit torn apart because I want to see a foreign Terran do well, for once, especially in KR, but I don't want to see ByuN lose, and without beating ByuN he would need to beat both Armani (doable) and herO, which seems impossible after the mine nerf, except maybe if herO decides to warp a lot of stalkers like on ladder.
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On April 13 2017 00:34 Vutalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32 It is known Scarlett hates Protoss. Often she is tilted towards Protoss already so that makes Stats' job even easier. He is always a solid P which basically counters everything Scarlett does, proxy-hatch included.
there's always the rare game where scarlett goes protoss.
inb4 she 4gates Stats
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On April 12 2017 18:03 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2017 17:33 Lorning wrote:
holy moly, that's going to be tough for Creator What do you mean tough? :D I don't think that he has the slightest chance of going through.
He beat TY 2-0 in the qualifiers, anything's possible.
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Wow, who is Special? I googled Juan Lopez, but there's apparently 2 million Mexicans who are named Juan Lopez.
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On April 13 2017 04:45 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 00:34 Vutalisk wrote:On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32 It is known Scarlett hates Protoss. Often she is tilted towards Protoss already so that makes Stats' job even easier. He is always a solid P which basically counters everything Scarlett does, proxy-hatch included. there's always the rare game where scarlett goes protoss. inb4 she 4gates Stats
Scarlett rarely race-picks against non-zergs unfortunately.
On April 13 2017 04:52 DickMcFanny wrote:
Wow, who is Special? I googled Juan Lopez, but there's apparently 2 million Mexicans who are named Juan Lopez.
He's better known by his ID Britney. And even better known by his ID Princess. And even better known by his ID shofu. And even yet better known by his ID WinDy.
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On April 13 2017 04:52 DickMcFanny wrote:
Wow, who is Special? I googled Juan Lopez, but there's apparently 2 million Mexicans who are named Juan Lopez.
It's MajOr, he changes nickname every time he qualifies for something pretty much
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On April 13 2017 00:34 Vutalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32 It is known Scarlett hates Protoss. Often she is tilted towards Protoss already so that makes Stats' job even easier. He is always a solid P which basically counters everything Scarlett does, proxy-hatch included.
Apart from that, I'd hate to pick her as a Korean. If you win, big deal. If you lose: good lord, not only did you lose to foreigner, you lost to a girl. That's not just egg on your face, that's a full on shit omelette.
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On April 13 2017 04:54 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 04:52 DickMcFanny wrote:
Wow, who is Special? I googled Juan Lopez, but there's apparently 2 million Mexicans who are named Juan Lopez. It's MajOr, he changes nickname every time he qualifies for something pretty much
How did I not guess that? Remember Mandy or whatever retarded white trash girl name he picked for a while?
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On April 13 2017 05:01 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 04:54 Durnuu wrote:On April 13 2017 04:52 DickMcFanny wrote:
Wow, who is Special? I googled Juan Lopez, but there's apparently 2 million Mexicans who are named Juan Lopez. It's MajOr, he changes nickname every time he qualifies for something pretty much How did I not guess that? Remember Mandy or whatever white trash girl name he picked for a while?
Brittney. Or Princess. Or Kitty. Or the 13 other names he's tried out.
ilovealtaria was my favorite because it's just so bad
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On April 13 2017 05:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 05:01 DickMcFanny wrote:On April 13 2017 04:54 Durnuu wrote:On April 13 2017 04:52 DickMcFanny wrote:
Wow, who is Special? I googled Juan Lopez, but there's apparently 2 million Mexicans who are named Juan Lopez. It's MajOr, he changes nickname every time he qualifies for something pretty much How did I not guess that? Remember Mandy or whatever white trash girl name he picked for a while? Brittney. Or Princess. Or Kitty. Or the 13 other names he's tried out. ilovealtaria was my favorite because it's just so bad
LOL. I didn't know about those names. Hilarious.
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On April 13 2017 05:00 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 00:34 Vutalisk wrote:On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32 It is known Scarlett hates Protoss. Often she is tilted towards Protoss already so that makes Stats' job even easier. He is always a solid P which basically counters everything Scarlett does, proxy-hatch included. Apart from that, I'd hate to pick her as a Korean. If you win, big deal. If you lose: good lord, not only did you lose to foreigner, you lost to a girl. That's not just egg on your face, that's a full on shit omelette.
Somebody has to put the foreigners back in their place and I guess Stats thinks he's the man for the job.
But seriously if Scarlett can beat a serious Stats (its GSL so I can't imagine he won't be serious) she can beat anyone. If she was at that level Scarlett would be one of the "best player in the world" contenders.
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If Stats played Terran or Zerg I wouldn't put it past Scarlett. Against Toss, I'm afraid it's going to be a rapefest.
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On April 13 2017 05:12 DickMcFanny wrote:
If Stats played Terran or Zerg I wouldn't put it past Scarlett. Against Toss, I'm afraid it's going to be a rapefest.
Most likely Stats thinks so too.
Though the equivalent of Stats for T/Z is INnoVation/Dark. And I very much doubt Scarlett could beat a serious Inno or Dark. No more likely than beating Stats imo.
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On April 13 2017 04:52 DickMcFanny wrote:
Wow, who is Special? I googled Juan Lopez, but there's apparently 2 million Mexicans who are named Juan Lopez.
I don't know if this was serious or just making fun of Juan, but just google "Juan Lopez starcraft" and Major is the only result.
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D is definitely the group of death. Scarlett has a chance to make it out of her group. majOr looks pretty dead. 
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On April 13 2017 05:00 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2017 00:34 Vutalisk wrote:On April 13 2017 00:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wonder why Stats picked Scarlett, she doesn't seem to be the worst tier 4 player in the round of the 32, hell I'd be hesitant to call her the worst Zerg in the ro32 It is known Scarlett hates Protoss. Often she is tilted towards Protoss already so that makes Stats' job even easier. He is always a solid P which basically counters everything Scarlett does, proxy-hatch included. Apart from that, I'd hate to pick her as a Korean. If you win, big deal. If you lose: good lord, not only did you lose to foreigner, you lost to a girl. That's not just egg on your face, that's a full on shit omelette.
Well that explains your ID.
Insert maniacal clown laugh.
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Why did Major change his gamer ID/tag?
I'm hoping Scarlett manages to advance to at least ro16, but it's not going to be easy. I can see her beating Keen, but don't know about Classic.
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Yes! Creator is back on the map boys
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rip scarlett, again in a group with classic ~~ keen should be very doable but those two tosses, super rip (( major is always kind of a wildcard, plays by the seat of his pants
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Is it just me or does losira get INnoVation every time he's in GSL Code S. Makes me sad for my best zerg friend
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On April 13 2017 11:08 Venomsflame wrote:Is it just me or does losira get INnoVation every time he's in GSL Code S. Makes me sad for my best zerg friend
Losira's only got him once (last season)
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Is it just me or does losira get INnoVation every time he's in GSL Code S. Makes me sad for my best zerg friend
Think it was just last season. Though that is pretty shitty luck, getting a guaranteed loss two seasons in a row.
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Note that  Special, like most of Major's IDs (including Major), is/was also that of a mediocre BW Terran.
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On April 13 2017 09:05 MoonyD wrote:
Why did Major change his gamer ID/tag?
At this point, I'm sure he changes his more often than his trousers.
Awesome player, though.
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Russian Federation104 Posts
On April 12 2017 15:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Scarlett miiiiight do it, but it'll be tough. Major is screwed.
Foreigners pretty RIP, but not nearly as RIP as Zest is gonna be xD. Two strong Terrans and a PvP player who has good shot at beating him.
Lol was thinking the same when saw these terrans in Zest's group, however maybe he will rise from ashes like he previously did before.
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I thought Innovation was in Psistorm Gaming????
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With any luck we will see a Tuesday Adept nerf like the Bluepost mentioned, just in time for GSL. The shade CD/health proposals aren't huge so I don't think pros will have trouble adapting their playstyles, but it could definitely affect who wins and we already have too many Protosses in the Ro32.
Excellent timing for once, Blizzard.
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On April 14 2017 12:47 pvsnp wrote:
With any luck we will see a Tuesday Adept nerf like the Bluepost mentioned, just in time for GSL. The shade CD/health proposals aren't huge so I don't think pros will have trouble adapting their playstyles, but it could definitely affect who wins and we already have too many Protosses in the Ro32.
Excellent timing for once, Blizzard.
Wait...12/10/10 is the distribution for GSL. How are 12 Protoss too many?
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On April 14 2017 12:47 pvsnp wrote:
...and we already have too many Protosses in the Ro32.
...considering that the number 32 is not divisible per 3 and that a 2-1-1 distribution came from GSL Season 1 and qualifiers resulted in a 10-9-9 for a total of 12-10-10 how can there be too many Protoss players in the Ro32? 
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I think Scarlett has to upset Classic to make it out. Maybe she makes it with a couple very well thought out builds. Or maybe he cheeses and she defends.
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Wait...12/10/10 is the distribution for GSL. How are 12 Protoss too many?
...considering that the number 32 is not divisible per 3 and that a 2-1-1 distribution came from GSL Season 1 and qualifiers resulted in a 10-9-9 for a total of 12-10-10 how can there be too many Protoss players in the Ro32?
As you said, 32 is not integer-divisible by three. An optimal distribution would be 11/11/10. 12 Protosses is one too many.
In Season 1, there were 12 Terrans in the Ro32 (then came Lib + Mine nerfs). 12 Protosses is not a huge imbalance in and of itself, but just like 12 Terrans last season, it's another symptom of overall imbalance.
Back then, Terran had won the most recent big tournaments (IEM, WESG), had a very favorable Aligulac winrate, and disproportionate representation in GSL. Then they got a well-deserved nerf. Now, Protoss has won the most recent big tournaments (GSL, Super), has a very favorable Aligulac winrate, and disproportionate representation in GSL. And now Blizzard has announced incoming Protoss nerfs.
For all the shit people give the balance team, they're on top of it right now.
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I mean, it is true that large imbalances can definitely affect the race representation in Code S (see 2014 for Terran), but in many cases, there were times when races were "overpowered" like in 2012 with Zerg or early 2013 for Terran where the Code S race representation was not in favour of the "overpowered race." In the final season of 2012 for GSL, where we had the ZvZ Code S finals, there were 9 Protoss, 9 Zerg, and 14 Terran. Yet, there was no serious imbalance between Terran and Protoss, so, and I realize that there are a number of factors in this, but for 2012, Zerg consistently had fewer players in Code S despite heavily overperforming during that time. Early 2016 had optimal race distribution (11/10/11) despite the Code A qualifiers being held pre-adept nerf (and with most players concluding that there was a problem with Protoss and adepts).
So i don't really buy the + 1 Protoss/Terran players in Season 2/1 being indicative of an overall balance problem. There's not enough of a difference between the optimal amount of players and the supposed imbalanced number players. And also, historically, the GSL racial distribution for Code S has not been all that consistent except for 2014 of imbalance.
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I mean, it is true that large imbalances can definitely affect the race representation in Code S (see 2014 for Terran), but in many cases, there were times when races were "overpowered" like in 2012 with Zerg or early 2013 for Terran where the Code S race representation was not in favour of the "overpowered race." In the final season of 2012 for GSL, where we had the ZvZ Code S finals, there were 9 Protoss, 9 Zerg, and 14 Terran. Yet, there was no serious imbalance between Terran and Protoss, so, and I realize that there are a number of factors in this, but for 2012, Zerg consistently had fewer players in Code S despite heavily overperforming during that time. Early 2016 had optimal race distribution (11/10/11) despite the Code A qualifiers being held pre-adept nerf (and with most players concluding that there was a problem with Protoss and adepts).
So i don't really buy the + 1 Protoss/Terran players in Season 2/1 being indicative of an overall balance problem. There's not enough of a difference between the optimal amount of players and the supposed imbalanced number players. And also, historically, the GSL racial distribution for Code S has not been all that consistent except for 2014 of imbalance.
Of course. As you said, there are a number of factors that play into the race distribution in GSL. On its own it means little if there is one player more or less of a particular race.
It could certainly be a coincidence that 12 Protoss are in the Ro32, and it could certainly be a coincidence that Protoss players have won the most recent major tournaments, and it could also certainly be a coincidence that Aligulac happened to draw from a poorly representative sample set the last few weeks. Any one of those events happening could definitely just be random chance.
My point is that, while all three events could be separate coincidences if they were viewed in a vacuum, the odds of them all happening at the same time without any influence from the current state of balance is pretty low. Just like the same odds were low a few months back with Terran, and indicated that Terran was in fact overpowered at the time.
Given the fact that PvT is at 57%, and the fact that our most recent champions are Stats and herO, plus the explicit announcement by the balance team of Adepts being a problem, I'm pretty confident that 12 Protosses in GSL is not just a coincidence. A rising tide lifts all boats, after all.
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That is true as well, multiple instances of a certain result (Protoss winning/higher than normal winrates) + the community report do support that Protoss, and specifically adepts, are too strong currently.
However, for the GSL, Stats played a Terran not in the finals but on March 18, where he played against Ryung, whose TvP isn't his best matchup and where the winrates for Protoss were below 50%. On February 22, Stats played against Innovation, where the winrates for Protoss were 53%. It is debatable whether that 3% (which is really a 1.5% because 1.5% for Terran would be 1.5% against Protoss so net of 3%) helped Stats substantially against Innovation. So in that regard I can't really say that Protoss being overpowered resulted in them winning the GSL or even if helped that much.
Now for the GSL super tournament, there was an overrepresentation of Terran in the tournament as a whole with the representation being 4/8/4, and the qualifiers took place on March 29th, right at the beginning of the period were Protoss had a 57% PvT. So in that regard, I would say that imbalance probably helped herO at least a little bit. Though of course, if the winner was a Zerg or Protoss, they would have to win against more Terran because more Terran qualified.
And then for the winrate + balance report, that goes towards the overpowered nature of the Adept. Though, for winrates in Aligulac, the fact does remain that Protoss had an advantage for two weeks, whereas prior to the balance change that nerfed Terran, Protoss was underpowered for about 4 times as long.
So what we have then, is a winrate for two weeks, the balance report, the GSL super tournament (with the caveat that Terran was overrepresented) and the very slight imbalance of racial distribution in the GSL.
For this reason, I don't really think the GSL season 1 win is an example of Protoss having an advantage over the others that made them win.
I guess my question is how much do anyone of these results support Protoss being overpowered as the reason why either Protoss won and/or they had one more player than would be balanced in Code S.
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That is true as well, multiple instances of a certain result (Protoss winning/higher than normal winrates) + the community report do support that Protoss, and specifically adepts, are too strong currently.
However, for the GSL, Stats played a Terran not in the finals but on March 18, where he played against Ryung, whose TvP isn't his best matchup and where the winrates for Protoss were below 50%. On February 22, Stats played against Innovation, where the winrates for Protoss were 53%. It is debatable whether that 3% (which is really a 1.5% because 1.5% for Terran would be 1.5% against Protoss so net of 3%) helped Stats substantially against Innovation. So in that regard I can't really say that Protoss being overpowered resulted in them winning the GSL or even if helped that much.
Now for the GSL super tournament, there was an overrepresentation of Terran in the tournament as a whole with the representation being 4/8/4, and the qualifiers took place on March 29th, right at the beginning of the period were Protoss had a 57% PvT. So in that regard, I would say that imbalance probably helped herO at least a little bit. Though of course, if the winner was a Zerg or Protoss, they would have to win against more Terran because more Terran qualified.
And then for the winrate + balance report, that goes towards the overpowered nature of the Adept. Though, for winrates in Aligulac, the fact does remain that Protoss had an advantage for two weeks, whereas prior to the balance change that nerfed Terran, Protoss was underpowered for about 4 times as long.
So what we have then, is a winrate for two weeks, the balance report, the GSL super tournament (with the caveat that Terran was overrepresented) and the very slight imbalance of racial distribution in the GSL.
For this reason, I don't really think the GSL season 1 win is an example of Protoss having an advantage over the others that made them win.
I guess my question is how much do anyone of these results support Protoss being overpowered as the reason why either Protoss won and/or they had one more player than would be balanced in Code S.
I'm not quite sure what your point is regarding the contemporary state of balance. Winrates by their very nature will lag slightly behind the current meta because they are drawn from a time range, not an instantaneous point. The upward trend of Protoss winrates is what concerns me.
My answer to your question is "not much." Any single one of the results means little by itself; if it were just one I wouldn't be concerned. What's concerning is the multiple results measuring multiple metrics that all point toward Protoss on the rise.
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Stats choosing an easy opponent for the ro32 is such a cop out move.
If you just won the hardest SC2 tournament in the world, you should be brave and call out someone who's a potential threat to stop them early. Like Maru or something. Instead he goes for the low hanging fruit. What a bore.
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On April 19 2017 01:24 Shinespark wrote:
Stats choosing an easy opponent for the ro32 is such a cop out move.
If you just won the hardest SC2 tournament in the world, you should be brave and call out someone who's a potential threat to stop them early. Like Maru or something. Instead he goes for the low hanging fruit. What a bore.
He only had the choice between the tier 4 players. And realistically in the Ro32 it's more important to get to the Ro16 than to eliminate anyone in particular.
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On April 19 2017 01:24 Shinespark wrote:
Stats choosing an easy opponent for the ro32 is such a cop out move.
If you just won the hardest SC2 tournament in the world, you should be brave and call out someone who's a potential threat to stop them early. Like Maru or something. Instead he goes for the low hanging fruit. What a bore.
That's a good strat for the ro16 where choosing a hard opponent gives you an easy bracket to the finals but the round of 32 has no implication for ro16 groups, other than deciding which players are playing. It would be better to pick easy in the ro32 to get to ro16 to pick someone hard to get yourself a good bracket
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On April 19 2017 01:24 Shinespark wrote:
Stats choosing an easy opponent for the ro32 is such a cop out move.
If you just won the hardest SC2 tournament in the world, you should be brave and call out someone who's a potential threat to stop them early. Like Maru or something. Instead he goes for the low hanging fruit. What a bore.
He could only choose one of 8 players. Maybe he thinks Scarlett is the hardest one? She's taken games off him before
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On April 19 2017 01:24 Shinespark wrote:
Stats choosing an easy opponent for the ro32 is such a cop out move.
If you just won the hardest SC2 tournament in the world, you should be brave and call out someone who's a potential threat to stop them early. Like Maru or something. Instead he goes for the low hanging fruit. What a bore.
It was interesting last year when Zest lost to MC (when he just came out of retirement) in proleague. His response was to choose MC for GSL ro32 in order to redeem himself. Stats is more logical though
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Also does anyone think Scarlett doesn't proxy hatch at least twice?
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On April 19 2017 02:00 Fango wrote:
Also does anyone think Scarlett doesn't proxy hatch at least twice?
I don't think that will work against Stats. She does proxy hatch vs Protoss a lot. Did that to Patience and Classic earlier on this year. It becomes her thing. Stats plays with Scarlett quite a bit as well. He would scout for that strat.
Also, what happens with TL Preview for GSL Code S Group A? It happens in like 5 hours but still not post.
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Not sure if that is a good idea. I like the preview post. It is a hyped-up before the broadcast. Also, for voting and prediction (we can always trash-talk how bad TL prediction is  ). On top of that, it is kind of a reminder for those who lost track of time.
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Does anyone know if these groups are taking place in the freecup studio? I'm visiting Seoul right now and would love to catch it live. (I want to catch the BW ASL3 game on April 23rd 19:00KST as well, so if you know if ASL is cast from the same place also, that would be great!)
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Why is herO considered 5th if his points are total up to 3rd place when combined?
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On April 22 2017 06:42 -StrifeX- wrote:
Why is herO considered 5th if his points are total up to 3rd place when combined?
The four players above him were the top 4 in last seasons GSL.
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unfortunately I don't see major upsetting 2 of the top picks to win the tournament
scarlett may have a shot, though
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