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With the COEX auditorium filled to capacity,  soO and  Stats faced off in the first GSL Code S Final of 2017. The series started off with soO's map pick. Despite not having won a game on Whirlwind against Protoss all season, he chose it as the site of the first game, and he showed why as he opened with a gasless 12 pool for 8 lings and expand. Stats scouted soO’s location and build first, but so did soO. soO's lings danced around, logging four probe kills with the last ling scouting Stats' twilight and robo. Stats pressured with two adepts, also killing four workers, before soO then identified Stats' follow up dark shrine while taking his third. soO lost only two workers to dark templars and none to the subsequent archons, and took his fourth with mutalisks in production, but Stats was already moving out with an immortal/archon army. soO was unable to hold the attack at his third, giving Stats the first game.
Game two took place on Proxima Station. Stats opened with a nexus first on the outside base, while soO went for hatch/gas/pool in his in-base expansion. soO was prepared for Stats’ tech as he blindly spored up without scouting Stats' stargate. He then spied Stats' oracle as it left Stats' base, making him fully aware of what was coming. Stats didn't kill any drones, but the subsequent gateway explosion led to a large adept attack on two fronts. Adepts weaved their way between soO's bases, massacring whole drone lines before the follow-up forced a GG.
soO went for a standard third timing with less-standard overlord speed on Abyssal Reef, while Stats opened with an oracle then void ray. soO's ling drop killed four probes, but Stats' constant stasis wards slowed soO's economy, which was further stunted by adepts, but he didn’t lose as step as he took a fourth and moved into hydra/bane speed and melee upgrades. Meanwhile Stats was building immortals and researching glaives on three bases. Baneling drops in Stats' third led to a large worker lead for the zerg, but Stats caught him at his third. soO appeared to have held for a moment, but a second wave of adepts was enough to wipe out soO's hydras and put Stats one game away from victory.
Echo was Stats' second map pick of the series. soO went for the same third timing as the last game, while Stats opted for a funky double stargate build, one at home and one hidden in the bottom left corner. He built oracles with both while soO teched into roaches and lair. With four oracles and two void rays in production, Stats dived into soO's third. soO defended with minimal losses, but fell victim to a number of stasis wards. Even with all that harassment, he was ahead on workers, with a hydra den and +1 ranged on the way. Stats had already established his third, though, and was continuing to make void rays as well as charge and +1 attack for ground and air. Ahead 40 supply, soO gambled his tournament life on a hydra / queen / roach all-in. Stats had eight void rays, but it appeared to be a matter of numbers. Somehow Stats managed to repel the first wave and kill all of soO's queens. soO was relentless, though. He kept pushing in with tides of roaches and hydras, pushing into Stats' third until Stats had nothing else.
Trying to build on his first win, soO once more went hatch/gas/pool and normal third timing on Cactus Valley. Having spawned vertically, Stats opted for resonating glaives with a warp prism and an additional two gates. Stats killed 11 drones with his first attack, while taking a third and advancing with a second prism, and he kept the pressure on while increasing his gateway count and sculpting an immortal/sentry composition. Despite taking so much harassment damage, soO was still ahead on workers and army as Stats attacked. Stats pounded away at soO’s forces while segmenting them with forcefields, but a delayed attack meant that soO's ravagers popped in time, and the zerg stood firm. Having reset Stats' army, soO dove into Stats' natural, once more wiping Stats out to take his second game in a row.
With Stats still on match point, the series turned to Daybreak. A nexus first and stargate was met by the same quick third and ling speed build soO had used throughout most of the series. An oracle only killed two drones, but Stats followed it up with a robo, third base and void ray. Meanwhile soO went into lair and roach speed. Stats postured with an adept drop that killed seven workers while researching charge and storm. At the same time, soO was establishing his fourth while moving into a ling/bane/hydra with a smattering of remaining roaches. Stats' fourth was a little behind, but his powerful army stationed there kept soO from committing.
soO went into ranged and armor upgrades as his lurker den drew closer to completion. He shut down Stats' double pronged attack, while barely avoiding having his morphing lurkers sniped by Stats' army. With soO out on the map, Stats finally sniped soO's building fifth base as his own completed. As the game stalled out into end game compositions, soO teched towards ultralisks and built a spire, while Stats transitioned into carriers. The armies postured for a time, but after a battle outside soO’s fourth that swung in both directions, Stats was forced to back up 40 supply ahead. In a move that did little damage, but bought soO crucial time to develop his composition, soO went for a ling/hydra doom drop into Stats' main. Behind on base count and army supply, soO was bleeding out, and a suicidal charge into Stats' heavily-cannoned fresh mining base just sped up the process. Down 80 supply against a maxed-out skytoss force, soO was forced to concede his fifth GSL Finals as storm rained down on the remnants of his army.
Congratulations to Stats who becomes the first GSL Champion of 2017. He joins  TY as the second player to qualify for the 2017 WCS Global Finals.
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Oh the humanity, poor soO 
Stats deserves it though, playing out of his mind of late
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Mute City2363 Posts
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soO
Man this is so painful.
Congrats to Stats and Splyce though.
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5 silvers... I think that's gotta sting. Well played Stats though. I wonder if soO will have it in himself to continue with SC2, or if he'll dip to WCS/retire. :/
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Stats was the best player of this GSL, but man soO must be getting tired of this x( unbelievable record
On March 26 2017 22:37 intotheheart wrote:
5 silvers... I think that's gotta sting. Well played Stats though. I wonder if soO will have it in himself to continue with SC2, or if he'll dip to WCS/retire. :/
I mean he tried again after 2, then 3, then 4, now 5...why would 5 be too much at this point :D still no shame having accomplished all this
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On March 26 2017 22:37 intotheheart wrote:
5 silvers... I think that's gotta sting. Well played Stats though. I wonder if soO will have it in himself to continue with SC2, or if he'll dip to WCS/retire. :/
happy birthday bud
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him go to SC: R. No matter what though, best of luck to the poor guy
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poor guy? 5 2nd places is still godlike!
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On March 26 2017 22:37 intotheheart wrote:
5 silvers... I think that's gotta sting. Well played Stats though. I wonder if soO will have it in himself to continue with SC2, or if he'll dip to WCS/retire. :/
When he lost to Taeja in the first round in the blizzcon after his 4th consecutive silver in gsl he said he was happy not to be second
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Sadness is here.
I mean, good for Stats, he's also a veteran here, but still...
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Maybe the 17th time will be his lucky one.
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Poll: How many more finals will soo lose?over 9000 (80) 73% 1 (22) 20% 2 (3) 3% 3 (2) 2% 4 (2) 2% 109 total votes Your vote: How many more finals will soo lose? (Vote): 1
(Vote): 2
(Vote): 3
(Vote): 4
(Vote): over 9000
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Congratulations my Toss god Stats!
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On March 26 2017 23:50 Clazziquai10 wrote:Poll: How many more finals will soo lose?over 9000 (80) 73% 1 (22) 20% 2 (3) 3% 3 (2) 2% 4 (2) 2% 109 total votes Your vote: How many more finals will soo lose? (Vote): 1
(Vote): 2
(Vote): 3
(Vote): 4
(Vote): over 9000
Don't you think we ought to give it a rest at this point- soO probably deserves some encouragement
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while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
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On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
Balance discussion thread is the place for this. (I also feel the salt)
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Too bad for SoO but I am very happy for Stats! :D
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lol at Kelazhur shaking his head and Scarlett looking pissed off in the last clip
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Even tho i really wanted soO to win, the ling rush in game one was a bad idea. If you've ever watched stats stream you'd know that he's really perfected holding off early pools, and pig even did an article about how to fend off early pools based off stats gameplay.
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On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
Yeah adepts are in the game for one and a half years and now they are suddenly op because Stats used them well in one series. That's totally how it works.
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On March 27 2017 03:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken Yeah adepts are in the game for one and a half years and now they are suddenly op because Stats used them well in one series. That's totally how it works.
Well it´s not the first time you hear complaints about them 
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Stats has demonstrated his top-tier skill when the meta was against Protoss earlier in the year. There's no denying that he's one of the best. And now that the meta favors Protoss, there's very little that can stop him in either matchup.
Gratz to him, he's earned his GSL trophy and he probably could have won even without relying on imbalance. But rely on it he did.
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Ryung losing in the semis, soO losing in the finals... This has been a very traditional GSL.
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I am really sorry for SoO ....
He is such a consistant player and would have deserved at least one win...
This Stats was really good though and congratz to him for his victory.
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Dang, hope soO never gives up.. great games and great job stats!
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On March 26 2017 23:50 Clazziquai10 wrote:Poll: How many more finals will soo lose?over 9000 (80) 73% 1 (22) 20% 2 (3) 3% 3 (2) 2% 4 (2) 2% 109 total votes Your vote: How many more finals will soo lose? (Vote): 1
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(Vote): over 9000
sad thing is I think the poll doesn't include the right answer, which is : none. I don't think he'll overcome that blow.
Poor guy.
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Pretty underwhelming series. I was yelling at Soo the entire last game almost. The weirdest/riskiest fucking army movements. He straight up handed Stats his lurkers. Sigh. Makes ya wonder.
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those stasis wards were so god damn sick
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Poor soO, how can i feel so shity for a guy I dont even know?
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Can we just call soO the second best sc2 player in history now? I think he's earned it.
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On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
No, we can't. This isn't a balance whine thread.
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Hell Yeah, finally Mr. Stats have it, congratulations.
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Game was lost by Soo in first three sets, when he just didn't change his ling-bane-hydra combo against early (imba) adept rushes. Soo lacked some flexibility, like Stats, who prepared oracle's traps thing especially for the finals.
Although I rooted for Soo and am really sorry for him, I can't say it's undeserved win. Gratz Stats.
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jesus poor soO cheered for him so hard... well gogo there are still tournaments to win !!!!!!!!
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On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
No, there are many threads where people talk about how broken Adepts are, and call for sensible nerfs, so reraise one of those.
Heartbreaking for soO. And the poll is disrespectful, even if it is amusing to see the 'over 9000' Dragonball meme.
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On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
I'm not surprised and it's probably skill to make it look that easy.
I refrain to judge on game balance but as a viewer it's not entertaining when one unit is THAT dominant.
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On March 27 2017 07:43 muppet70 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken I'm not surprised and it's probably skill to make it look that easy. I refrain to judge on game balance but as a viewer it's not entertaining when one unit is THAT dominant.
Do you complain about Marines being 'THAT dominant' in all matchups then? (Not to mention they cost only 50 minerals)
Balance aside I don't think you can argue that Stats clearly prepared for this series. The constant double-pronged stasis wards at the mineral lines was pretty cute and innovative. You could see soO trying to adapt to it by patrolling lines behind the mineral lines to set off the wards, but he didn't respond by pulling drones in time and that ended up slowing down his economy.
I hope someone can go further in depth to see how much damage the stasis wards did in some of those games. Having 5 drones at a time not doing anything can't be good for the economy and I think that was reflected in the games when you could see Stats taking a supply lead which is rare given Zerg is normally up in supply.
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Ah feel so bad for soO T__T
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Congratulations to Stats, he played incredibly well, specially those first games.
But I am so sorry for soO, he played an amazing tournament. I hope he continues trying, the course has to come to an end some day.
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Soo...
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The Palindromic Toss massively stepped up from his recent loss to Solar. Full credit to him, no other player this season of GSL played as well - he deserves the win 200% : 20 - 11 in maps. WOT A GWEOMUL!!
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I was wondering what was soO supposed to do lategame vs the army composition Stats had on Daybreak.
It felt to me as if it was just a long death animation.
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On March 27 2017 11:00 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
I was wondering what was soO supposed to do lategame vs the army composition Stats had on Daybreak.
It felt to me as if it was just a long death animation.
I thought he should have use some Vipers to upduct the Carriers and kill off it one by one. Also, he should build some spores for static defend like Dark did to Stats in Proxima at IEM. I do like his choice to elevate a bunch of lings to the main to kill off the production but he should commit it more like a Nydus or something. Bring a bigger portion (if not all) to kill of the Fleet Beacon and a bunch of Stargates and Warpgates in the main. If Stats recalled, he could just go back to the Nydus and perhaps attacked the fourth or the fifth base when Stats was out of position due to recall.
Anyway, nothing matters given it is hard to do stuff right in such a chaotic game like that. soO did the best he could. Down 0:3, any other players would already give up, let alone fighting back to Game 6 like soO did.
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adepts can shade to scout, harass, and kill units, at absolutely no risk to the protoss. with a minimal shade cooldown they can shade into 5 different places. then re shade just in time. broken unit dead game.
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On March 27 2017 04:41 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 23:50 Clazziquai10 wrote:Poll: How many more finals will soo lose?over 9000 (80) 73% 1 (22) 20% 2 (3) 3% 3 (2) 2% 4 (2) 2% 109 total votes Your vote: How many more finals will soo lose? (Vote): 1
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sad thing is I think the poll doesn't include the right answer, which is : none. I don't think he'll overcome that blow. Poor guy.
People have been saying that since he lost to Classic. He'll be fine. Guy just needs to play a ZvZ final >.>
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Look at that:
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5 ZvP finals P too stronk.
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SoO sad...
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On March 27 2017 14:26 elmerpogs wrote:
5 ZvP finals P too stronk.
4 were ZvP. He also got rekt by Inno.
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[QUOTE]On March 27 2017 13:21 Ozmodeus wrote:
adepts can shade to scout, harass, and kill units, at absolutely no risk to the protoss. with a minimal shade cooldown they can shade into 5 different places. then re shade just in time. broken unit dead game.
If adepts are broken then all Protosses should win PvZ, right?
why not ask sOs why did he lose to soO in the semifinals?
Maybe he will tell you that he doesn't know how to use adepts?
maybe you haven't been playing enough SC2 and you just blamed adepts right from the get go?
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Haha poor soO. Yellow 2.0
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Stats was almost perfect in anything shown this weekend, really deserved championship for him! They way he beat soO makes me feel different after tha match because the emotional line lied upon soO of course. We all were curious to see the miracle. But really Stats was with ages better than his notable opponent. If the match was equal, I would feel really bad for soO, but that was not the case.
Rather I have to admit that soO made an incredible performance this season, beating my favorite players Classic, TY and sOs.
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[QUOTE]On March 27 2017 14:33 Phredxor wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 27 2017 14:26 elmerpogs wrote:
5 ZvP finals P too stronk.[/QUOTE]
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I really wanted soO to win, but Stats just played better. I was surprised about his play to be honest. I think maybe he was a little in his own head toward the beginning. His drop defenses early on weren't as good as I was expecting from someone as good as he is. I really want another chance for soO.
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On March 27 2017 10:02 AxiomBlurr wrote:
The Palindromic Toss massively stepped up from his recent loss to Solar. Full credit to him, no other player this season of GSL played as well - he deserves the win 200% : 20 - 11 in maps. WOT A GWEOMUL!!
ha ha the palindromic toss. Love that nickname ^^
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On March 26 2017 22:39 ArtyK wrote:Stats was the best player of this GSL, but man soO must be getting tired of this x( unbelievable record Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 22:37 intotheheart wrote:
5 silvers... I think that's gotta sting. Well played Stats though. I wonder if soO will have it in himself to continue with SC2, or if he'll dip to WCS/retire. :/ I mean he tried again after 2, then 3, then 4, now 5...why would 5 be too much at this point :D still no shame having accomplished all this
agree. there are also pro level players who never reach a final like that. not even once in their career. if i were soo id take a sip of sparkuling water and relax. as if its such a big catastrophy to have "only" 5 silver medals. ppl need to chill.
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On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
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beware the tl thoughts-police...
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On March 27 2017 18:56 inken wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
User was warned for this post beware the tl thoughts-police...
Go to the balance whine thread if you want to balance whine. Go to site feedback if you want balance whine to be allowed in all threads.
At what point does soo become the most consistent sc2 player ever?
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For me he already is.
And as long as I keep my eyes closed, the general consensus goes in my way too.
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On March 27 2017 20:14 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 18:56 inken wrote:On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
User was warned for this post beware the tl thoughts-police... At what point does soo become the most consistent sc2 player ever?
When he at least gets the PartinG award
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On March 27 2017 18:56 inken wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 00:18 Syn Harvest wrote:
while Stats definitely played well can we discuss how broken Adepts are. In the early game it is impossible to deal with them. You essentially have to have enough units to deal with all the adepts in two different places at once. Stats won on the back of the fact that the Adept is broken
User was warned for this post beware the tl thoughts-police...
People are getting banned for either saying dead game, or that stats won using imba tactics. 2nd is disrespectful and 1st one is a meme that's forbidden.
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I was rooting for soO but placed a small bet on Stats, who imo has been playing much better all year. Add to that soO has had a very difficult time versus Protoss in past finals. Congrats to Stats and condolences to soO. Second place is nothing to sneeze at but he's got to be thinking, "What do I have to do!!!!??".
I'm just a bit curious if soO will take a break, keep playing, switch races, or maybe even find a new game? Wish him the best of luck in the future either way. Dude has got to be devastated right now.
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Can you guys please keep spoilers out of the titles of front page articles?
I came here yesterday to look at the BW remastered stuff and this thread ruined the finals for me.
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Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.
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On March 28 2017 00:46 11BC2 wrote:
I was rooting for soO but placed a small bet on Stats, who imo has been playing much better all year. Add to that soO has had a very difficult time versus Protoss in past finals. Congrats to Stats and condolences to soO. Second place is nothing to sneeze at but he's got to be thinking, "What do I have to do!!!!??".
I'm just a bit curious if soO will take a break, keep playing, switch races, or maybe even find a new game? Wish him the best of luck in the future either way. Dude has got to be devastated right now.
soO is fine. Look at his twitter.
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On March 28 2017 03:40 fishjie wrote:
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.
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Generic toss? Perhaps you should abandon one minute your ridiculous protoss hate and recognize that he is a world-class pro-gamer that has won his first tittle thanks to relentless effort and dedication to develop his talent. Same in case of soO if he had won.
In other words, just show some respect, even if you are not able to appreciate how good he is.
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Ah good ol' sOO. Never fails to live up to my expectations.
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On March 28 2017 05:12 Xamo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 03:40 fishjie wrote:
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.
User was warned for this post Generic toss? Perhaps you should abandon one minute your ridiculous protoss hate and recognize that he is a world-class pro-gamer that has won his first tittle thanks to relentless effort and dedication to develop his talent. Same in case of soO if he had won. In other words, just show some respect, even if you are not able to appreciate how good he is.
non generic toss players:
MC for being an entertainer
Parting for his bravado
Rain whose gimmick was not having any gimmicks
Duckduck because he cried genuine tears
Yes aside from rain all of them abused whatever at the time to get their wins. Duck was especially egregious example. But they had stuff outside of the game that made them shine. Aside from those guys, the rest of the long list of toss players just blur together for me. i dont hate protoss i used to play toss because 1a was all i could manage mechanically. a win is a win after all. but they are a poorly designed race with force fields and warp ins, and the latest expo seems to have made things worse with gladepts. banning people doesnt really change that fact, people are still gonna vote with their eyeballs by not watching.
soo winning would have been a 100000 times better result since his story is so heartbreaking - now even more so
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On March 28 2017 09:28 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 05:12 Xamo wrote:On March 28 2017 03:40 fishjie wrote:
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.
User was warned for this post Generic toss? Perhaps you should abandon one minute your ridiculous protoss hate and recognize that he is a world-class pro-gamer that has won his first tittle thanks to relentless effort and dedication to develop his talent. Same in case of soO if he had won. In other words, just show some respect, even if you are not able to appreciate how good he is. non generic toss players: MC for being an entertainer Parting for his bravado Rain whose gimmick was not having any gimmicks Duckduck because he cried genuine tears Yes aside from rain all of them abused whatever at the time to get their wins. Duck was especially egregious example. But they had stuff outside of the game that made them shine. Aside from those guys, the rest of the long list of toss players just blur together for me. i dont hate protoss i used to play toss because 1a was all i could manage mechanically. a win is a win after all. but they are a poorly designed race with force fields and warp ins, and the latest expo seems to have made things worse with gladepts. banning people doesnt really change that fact, people are still gonna vote with their eyeballs by not watching. soo winning would have been a 100000 times better result since his story is so heartbreaking - now even more so
This is a 'I don't hate black people, I have tons of black friends' tier post, also admitting that you haven't even played LoTV as it 'seems to have made things worse'. People don't seem to be voting with their eyes but with their emotions it seems.... a race that has currently ONE player doing well yet we have like 4-5 top Terrans, but it's probably because of Protoss 'bs' that he wins right?
Race has 4-5 god like players? The hardest race in the game!
Race has 1 good player with the lowest population by far? The EZ race.
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Hey you guys go to the balance whine thread please. Thanks.
Let's instead talk about the genius of SoO to set up for an epic narrative when he wins the GSL in his sixth final! What long term planning. Really generous of him to sacrifice the winning money to give us a more epic story!
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Ah, Rain. Haven't heard that name in a long time but damn he was so legit. Watching him play was simply beautiful; it was clean and precise and inspiring. Still my favorite Protoss by far. Such a shame he retired
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On March 28 2017 03:05 MaximilianKohler wrote:
Can you guys please keep spoilers out of the titles of front page articles?
I came here yesterday to look at the BW remastered stuff and this thread ruined the finals for me.
Same
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Kim Dae Yeob hwaiting ~~
I might actually watch this o,o
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Unless you are a huge fan of adepts killing drones or just like to see Stats victory screens I wouldn't recommend watching.
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I just finished watching it. KT still best KT after all those years even after they disappeared.
Is there a complete VOD because it was cut out just after the GG and couldn't see my man lift the trophy and hear the interveiw.
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On March 29 2017 06:36 FFW_Rude wrote:
I just finished watching it. KT still best KT after all those years even after they disappeared.
Is there a complete VOD because it was cut out just after the GG and couldn't see my man lift the trophy and hear the interveiw.
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On March 28 2017 12:45 pvsnp wrote:Ah, Rain. Haven't heard that name in a long time but damn he was so legit. Watching him play was simply beautiful; it was clean and precise and inspiring. Still my favorite Protoss by far. Such a shame he retired
my favorite Protoss ever as well but
1/ he evolved quite a lot as a player and was actually incorporating some all-in play in the later stages of his career, which I in fact liked since it made his game more varied and less abusable.
2/ Stats is extremely legit too. He's less handsome though.
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my favorite Protoss ever as well but
1/ he evolved quite a lot as a player and was actually incorporating some all-in play in the later stages of his career, which I in fact liked since it made his game more varied and less abusable.
2/ Stats is extremely legit too. He's less handsome though.
Great to see there are still Rain fans around.
Yeah, he definitely started mixing it up near the end, probably to avoid being blind countered. Like how INnoVation (once and maybe still the most predictable player ever) proxies once in a while. Even super-solid macro players like Dark/Inno/etc throw in some cheese from time to time, but that doesn't detract from their style of playing a flawless game.
Stats...well he's definitely gotten more like Rain in recent times but he still shows a lot of aggression and cheese. I don't think perfect defense is actually his style the way it was Rain's. And of course HotS-toss and LotV-toss have some huge differences, so that limits the comparison even more.
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I think playing the "perfect defense" style 100% of your games like Rain did and winning tournaments at the highest level is just not possible these days, at least on these maps. Especially PvZ. People get mad about adepts but hell they've got to use them some if they want to win.
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On March 27 2017 02:19 argonautdice wrote:
lol at Kelazhur shaking his head and Scarlett looking pissed off in the last clip
nice catch. unfortunately i could not watch the games but my reaction was the same as Kelazhur.
But i belive in SoO and he will catch his break. this man cannot be broken!!! he is a god
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On March 28 2017 10:28 Beliskner wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 09:28 fishjie wrote:On March 28 2017 05:12 Xamo wrote:On March 28 2017 03:40 fishjie wrote:
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.
User was warned for this post Generic toss? Perhaps you should abandon one minute your ridiculous protoss hate and recognize that he is a world-class pro-gamer that has won his first tittle thanks to relentless effort and dedication to develop his talent. Same in case of soO if he had won. In other words, just show some respect, even if you are not able to appreciate how good he is. non generic toss players: MC for being an entertainer Parting for his bravado Rain whose gimmick was not having any gimmicks Duckduck because he cried genuine tears Yes aside from rain all of them abused whatever at the time to get their wins. Duck was especially egregious example. But they had stuff outside of the game that made them shine. Aside from those guys, the rest of the long list of toss players just blur together for me. i dont hate protoss i used to play toss because 1a was all i could manage mechanically. a win is a win after all. but they are a poorly designed race with force fields and warp ins, and the latest expo seems to have made things worse with gladepts. banning people doesnt really change that fact, people are still gonna vote with their eyeballs by not watching. soo winning would have been a 100000 times better result since his story is so heartbreaking - now even more so This is a 'I don't hate black people, I have tons of black friends' tier post, also admitting that you haven't even played LoTV as it 'seems to have made things worse'. People don't seem to be voting with their eyes but with their emotions it seems.... a race that has currently ONE player doing well yet we have like 4-5 top Terrans, but it's probably because of Protoss 'bs' that he wins right? Race has 4-5 god like players? The hardest race in the game! Race has 1 good player with the lowest population by far? The EZ race.
The fact that he is spilling bs doesn't mean you have to wow.
Terrans don't have 4-5 top, we have TY and sometimes ByuN or INno at the top at the moment, with Ryung/Maru/aLive as the 2nd tier, whereas Protoss got Stats at the top with sometimes herO or Classic, with Zest/Patience/sOs as the 2nd tier. There is hardly a difference.
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The win was a long time coming but over the last few years since Flash left KT, Stats has been rising to the challenge. Fair play to the man and condolences to soO, he must be heartbroken.
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On March 28 2017 10:28 Beliskner wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 09:28 fishjie wrote:On March 28 2017 05:12 Xamo wrote:On March 28 2017 03:40 fishjie wrote:
Really sad. also sad how they were banning people in LR for pointing out toss bs. just like back in the day they banned ppl for pointing out blink stalker in HOTS or gglord/winfestor in WOL, banning doesn't change the truth, viewership numbers plummeted anyway. This is a terrible outcome for sc2. stats is another generic toss, am i supposed to be able to differentiate him and classic,dear, zest, and a long list of other toss players who just blur together? Sucks for Ryung and sucks especially for Soo.
User was warned for this post Generic toss? Perhaps you should abandon one minute your ridiculous protoss hate and recognize that he is a world-class pro-gamer that has won his first tittle thanks to relentless effort and dedication to develop his talent. Same in case of soO if he had won. In other words, just show some respect, even if you are not able to appreciate how good he is. non generic toss players: MC for being an entertainer Parting for his bravado Rain whose gimmick was not having any gimmicks Duckduck because he cried genuine tears Yes aside from rain all of them abused whatever at the time to get their wins. Duck was especially egregious example. But they had stuff outside of the game that made them shine. Aside from those guys, the rest of the long list of toss players just blur together for me. i dont hate protoss i used to play toss because 1a was all i could manage mechanically. a win is a win after all. but they are a poorly designed race with force fields and warp ins, and the latest expo seems to have made things worse with gladepts. banning people doesnt really change that fact, people are still gonna vote with their eyeballs by not watching. soo winning would have been a 100000 times better result since his story is so heartbreaking - now even more so This is a 'I don't hate black people, I have tons of black friends' tier post, also admitting that you haven't even played LoTV as it 'seems to have made things worse'. People don't seem to be voting with their eyes but with their emotions it seems.... a race that has currently ONE player doing well yet we have like 4-5 top Terrans, but it's probably because of Protoss 'bs' that he wins right? Race has 4-5 god like players? The hardest race in the game! Race has 1 good player with the lowest population by far? The EZ race.
lol did you seriously compare pointing out that toss is badly designed and that protoss players abusing gladepts to win is lame, to systemic and real racism against black people in america?
anyway i forgot to add SOS to my list of favorite non generic protosses. i have no idea how he slipped my mind. I will never forget the double 2 gateway proxy rush for 100k all or nothing. man has balls of steel to all in like that with such high stakes.
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