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Nerchio and MaNa fly the flag as Korea progresses on Day 2…

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
February 28 2017 22:34 GMT
#1


Honours were split on Day 2 between Korea and Poland as our final set of qualifiers was determined.

The discrepancy in quality between the four open brackets has already been noted by many, and Bracket 3 was undoubtedly the toughest of the lot. (T)GuMiho surged to victory on one side of the bracket, swapping maps with (T)jjakji in an entertainingly chaotic TvT series before hitting his opponent with a quick reaper rush. Meanwhile, one of the crowd favourites held up his end of the bargain too. Nerchio noted in his interview that he was perhaps a little lucky that (T)Bunny had fallen to (Z)Impact at the previous stage, given his uncertainty in ZvT at the moment, but he certainly looked impressive in the mirror matchup. He held an early 12 pool with consummate ease, before sealing the deal with strong roach / ravager / infestor play on Cactus Valley to cement his place in the groups. Finally, jjakji bounced back from his loss to win out in the losers' bracket with one of the toughest runs we've seen so far—beating Bunny and Impact in addition to his win over Losira.

Bracket 4 was initially a far more predictable affair. Two Koreans were present, and two Koreans advanced, with (T)Ryung and (P)Patience rolling on to the next round. It wasn't entirely as simple as that though; Patience repeatedly took early damage from (Z)Guru, before stomping over him with funky mid-game attacks, while the scoreline for Ryung's 2-0 over (P)PtitDrogo probably flatters him slightly. Methodical play from (T)Ryung in game 1 devolved into a complete slug fest in game 2, where Ryung threw away a massive army advantage with split drops, before the 1-2 punch of ranged liberators and ghosts proved too much to handle.

The real story of Bracket 4 though came in the lower bracket, where a resurgent (P)MaNa recovered from an ugly initial loss to Guru to force his way to a rematch in the final qualifying round. One of the most entertaining series of the day began with swarm hosts and ended with a failed baneling bust and double warp prism shenanigans, giving Team Liquid their third participant in the round of 24.

Join us on Thursday for the start of the Group Stages for IEM Katowice.











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Ishmael
Profile Joined June 2016
92 Posts
February 28 2017 22:36 GMT
#2
gogo MaNa
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
February 28 2017 23:01 GMT
#3
how the hell is korea so stacked in a small area
can i get my estro logo back pls
Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
February 28 2017 23:13 GMT
#4
Is anybody surprised that we have 2 Liquid players in the same group, I am not...
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Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
459 Posts
February 28 2017 23:14 GMT
#5
On March 01 2017 08:13 Corvuuss wrote:
Is anybody surprised that we have 2 Liquid players in the same group, I am not...


not really gonna matter though
THERIDDLER
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada126 Posts
March 01 2017 00:51 GMT
#6
These guys got lucky because avilo dropped out. The mech god would've crushed them
Please don't fricken hack, its just a game.
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
March 01 2017 01:21 GMT
#7
The only group that might have a non-Korean make it out is group C. The foreigners in other groups are pretty much dead.
SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
March 01 2017 01:25 GMT
#8
Nerchio has a super easy group, he has a good shot to advance. I think Snute, Neeb, and showtime all have an off chance to advance, but they will have to put on an epic display. If I had to put money on it I think Neeb has what it takes to overcome Stats in PvP.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
March 01 2017 01:55 GMT
#9
On March 01 2017 10:25 SlammerIV wrote:
Nerchio has a super easy group, he has a good shot to advance. I think Snute, Neeb, and showtime all have an off chance to advance, but they will have to put on an epic display. If I had to put money on it I think Neeb has what it takes to overcome Stats in PvP.

Considering he is more likely to make the larger number of adepts, you probably right.
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SKN1995
Profile Joined September 2016
Japan204 Posts
March 01 2017 02:31 GMT
#10
Commendable display of resilience by MaNa to bounce back after his ugly ugly initial games against Guru
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
March 01 2017 03:32 GMT
#11
Rofl if someone calculates the Foreigner vs. Korean winrate....
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Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
March 01 2017 06:08 GMT
#12
On March 01 2017 08:14 Comedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2017 08:13 Corvuuss wrote:
Is anybody surprised that we have 2 Liquid players in the same group, I am not...


not really gonna matter though


Everyone gets $100 for each bo3 they win in the group stage
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MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-01 07:25:26
March 01 2017 07:23 GMT
#13
"... shenanigans, giving Team Liquid their third participant in the round of 24."

Snute, Mana. who is the third?

Edit: Nvmd. I didn't know uthermal is on TL..
bulya
Profile Joined February 2016
Israel386 Posts
March 01 2017 07:58 GMT
#14
On March 01 2017 10:21 ParksonVN wrote:
The only group that might have a non-Korean make it out is group C. The foreigners in other groups are pretty much dead.


Regarding group A then Snute is probably doomed, with all the terrans in group B Neeb and Harstem don't have chance, but I think Showtime and Uthermal have a fair chance to advance there from the third place as Gumiho isn't way better then any of them.

2 Foreigners in the RO12 is fair prediction (Nerchio or Serral from group C, in this group they can both do it, and Showtime or Uthermal from group D).

BTW, I think Serral is underestimated, and may be he is quite happy with 3 protoss players in his group, even though he is a zerg player.
CUTtheCBC
Profile Joined December 2016
Canada91 Posts
March 01 2017 08:18 GMT
#15
funny reading the comments desperately dreaming of a foreigner beating a korean
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washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
March 01 2017 09:04 GMT
#16
group A looks rough. so does D. those players got unlucky.
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
March 01 2017 09:48 GMT
#17
On March 01 2017 17:18 CUTtheCBC wrote:
funny reading the comments desperately dreaming of a foreigner beating a korean


But it has already happened in the bracket?

I can bet with you that at least one foreigner will be ranked above one korean in one of the pools. It's not really a "dream"
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 01 2017 09:59 GMT
#18
Nerchio and Showtime will make it I think. Neeb maybe but I don't think so.
Binomyo
Profile Joined May 2014
France61 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-01 11:11:05
March 01 2017 10:37 GMT
#19
On March 01 2017 18:48 fezvez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2017 17:18 CUTtheCBC wrote:
funny reading the comments desperately dreaming of a foreigner beating a korean


But it has already happened in the bracket?

I can bet with you that at least one foreigner will be ranked above one korean in one of the pools. It's not really a "dream"


EDIT: I thought all this year main events were not region locked. So this post is irrelevant. Don't pay attention to it.
I just leave it to undertake my own mistakes .

It's not funny for me. If foreigners can beat a random korean in the qualifiers, they will never win an event this year, never ever.
The shortening of the korean scene and the end of region lock lead to this situation with 15 Koreans and 9 foreigners qualified for the main event.
Even for the top foreigners like Showtime and Nerchio, the best result will be to qualified to stage 2.

This new format will make foreigners earn less money in tournaments and gaining less apparence for sponsors.
Only top foreigners will survive and it has already happened, lots of foreigners have already leaved SC2.

But people whining about the region lock on TL has what they wanted, a SSL bis.

Anyway, I'll try to enjoy this games before the whole scene collapse...
Clevername02
Profile Joined January 2017
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 17:21:31
March 01 2017 10:46 GMT
#20
neeb is doomed, maybe he shouldn't have left korea if he wanted to keep playing SC2 at a high level.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-01 10:55:15
March 01 2017 10:51 GMT
#21
On March 01 2017 19:46 Clevername02 wrote:
Obviously we all expect Neeb to beat Harstem, and honestly anyone who isn't extremely Korean biased to an absurd level would favor Neeb over Stats because of his insane PvP.

Neeb vs Stats is maybe 50-50. Stats is commonly seen as the best PvP player in Korea and won their last match against each other in Shoutcraft.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 01 2017 11:02 GMT
#22
On March 01 2017 19:37 Binomyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2017 18:48 fezvez wrote:
On March 01 2017 17:18 CUTtheCBC wrote:
funny reading the comments desperately dreaming of a foreigner beating a korean


But it has already happened in the bracket?

I can bet with you that at least one foreigner will be ranked above one korean in one of the pools. It's not really a "dream"


It's not funny for me. If foreigners can beat a random korean in the qualifiers, they will never win an event this year, never ever.
The shortening of the korean scene and the end of region lock lead to this situation with 15 Koreans and 9 foreigners qualified for the main event.
Even for the top foreigners like Showtime and Nerchio, the best result will be to qualified to stage 2.

This new format will make foreigners earn less money in tournaments and gaining less apparence for sponsors.
Only top foreigners will survive and it has already happened, lots of foreigners have already leaved SC2.

But people whining about the region lock on TL has what they wanted, a SSL bis.

Anyway, I'll try to enjoy this games before the whole scene collapse...

What end of the region lock? This is the only open global event of the year. All the WCS Circuit events/Dreamhacks will be region locked. You will only see TRUE and Violet there.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
March 01 2017 11:06 GMT
#23
On March 01 2017 20:02 Musicus wrote:
All the WCS Circuit events/Dreamhacks will be region locked.

All 4 of them
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Binomyo
Profile Joined May 2014
France61 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-01 11:15:30
March 01 2017 11:08 GMT
#24
On March 01 2017 20:02 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2017 19:37 Binomyo wrote:
On March 01 2017 18:48 fezvez wrote:
On March 01 2017 17:18 CUTtheCBC wrote:
funny reading the comments desperately dreaming of a foreigner beating a korean


But it has already happened in the bracket?

I can bet with you that at least one foreigner will be ranked above one korean in one of the pools. It's not really a "dream"


It's not funny for me. If foreigners can beat a random korean in the qualifiers, they will never win an event this year, never ever.
The shortening of the korean scene and the end of region lock lead to this situation with 15 Koreans and 9 foreigners qualified for the main event.
Even for the top foreigners like Showtime and Nerchio, the best result will be to qualified to stage 2.

This new format will make foreigners earn less money in tournaments and gaining less apparence for sponsors.
Only top foreigners will survive and it has already happened, lots of foreigners have already leaved SC2.

But people whining about the region lock on TL has what they wanted, a SSL bis.

Anyway, I'll try to enjoy this games before the whole scene collapse...

What end of the region lock? This is the only open global event of the year. All the WCS Circuit events/Dreamhacks will be region locked. You will only see TRUE and Violet there.


WHAT ? My mistake then. I'm very surprised. I really thought it was the end of region lock....

So if I understand correctly, the WCS points you win in this event are like bonus points for your region WCS standing ?
IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
March 01 2017 11:14 GMT
#25
Predictions:
Byun herO Ryung
TY Stats Jjakji
Zest Nerchio Serral
InnoVation Showtime Dark

Neeb and uThermal got chances too and i hope Heromarine is showing some good plays but as much as i want it i cant see him advancing
Special Tactics
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 01 2017 11:16 GMT
#26
On March 01 2017 20:08 Binomyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2017 20:02 Musicus wrote:
On March 01 2017 19:37 Binomyo wrote:
On March 01 2017 18:48 fezvez wrote:
On March 01 2017 17:18 CUTtheCBC wrote:
funny reading the comments desperately dreaming of a foreigner beating a korean


But it has already happened in the bracket?

I can bet with you that at least one foreigner will be ranked above one korean in one of the pools. It's not really a "dream"


It's not funny for me. If foreigners can beat a random korean in the qualifiers, they will never win an event this year, never ever.
The shortening of the korean scene and the end of region lock lead to this situation with 15 Koreans and 9 foreigners qualified for the main event.
Even for the top foreigners like Showtime and Nerchio, the best result will be to qualified to stage 2.

This new format will make foreigners earn less money in tournaments and gaining less apparence for sponsors.
Only top foreigners will survive and it has already happened, lots of foreigners have already leaved SC2.

But people whining about the region lock on TL has what they wanted, a SSL bis.

Anyway, I'll try to enjoy this games before the whole scene collapse...

What end of the region lock? This is the only open global event of the year. All the WCS Circuit events/Dreamhacks will be region locked. You will only see TRUE and Violet there.


WHAT ? My mistake then. I'm very surprised. I really thought it was the end of region lock....

So if I understand correctly, the WCS points you win in this event are like bonus points for your region WCS standing ?

Pretty much, you earn points for your region. WCS Circuit contenders will earn WCS Circuit points and WCS Korea contenders will earn WCS Korea points.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
March 01 2017 11:19 GMT
#27
On March 01 2017 20:16 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2017 20:08 Binomyo wrote:
On March 01 2017 20:02 Musicus wrote:
On March 01 2017 19:37 Binomyo wrote:
On March 01 2017 18:48 fezvez wrote:
On March 01 2017 17:18 CUTtheCBC wrote:
funny reading the comments desperately dreaming of a foreigner beating a korean


But it has already happened in the bracket?

I can bet with you that at least one foreigner will be ranked above one korean in one of the pools. It's not really a "dream"


It's not funny for me. If foreigners can beat a random korean in the qualifiers, they will never win an event this year, never ever.
The shortening of the korean scene and the end of region lock lead to this situation with 15 Koreans and 9 foreigners qualified for the main event.
Even for the top foreigners like Showtime and Nerchio, the best result will be to qualified to stage 2.

This new format will make foreigners earn less money in tournaments and gaining less apparence for sponsors.
Only top foreigners will survive and it has already happened, lots of foreigners have already leaved SC2.

But people whining about the region lock on TL has what they wanted, a SSL bis.

Anyway, I'll try to enjoy this games before the whole scene collapse...

What end of the region lock? This is the only open global event of the year. All the WCS Circuit events/Dreamhacks will be region locked. You will only see TRUE and Violet there.


WHAT ? My mistake then. I'm very surprised. I really thought it was the end of region lock....

So if I understand correctly, the WCS points you win in this event are like bonus points for your region WCS standing ?

Pretty much, you earn points for your region. WCS Circuit contenders will earn WCS Circuit points and WCS Korea contenders will earn WCS Korea points.

And if you win this tournament you're qualified for Blizzcon.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 01 2017 11:25 GMT
#28
On March 01 2017 20:19 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2017 20:16 Musicus wrote:
On March 01 2017 20:08 Binomyo wrote:
On March 01 2017 20:02 Musicus wrote:
On March 01 2017 19:37 Binomyo wrote:
On March 01 2017 18:48 fezvez wrote:
On March 01 2017 17:18 CUTtheCBC wrote:
funny reading the comments desperately dreaming of a foreigner beating a korean


But it has already happened in the bracket?

I can bet with you that at least one foreigner will be ranked above one korean in one of the pools. It's not really a "dream"


It's not funny for me. If foreigners can beat a random korean in the qualifiers, they will never win an event this year, never ever.
The shortening of the korean scene and the end of region lock lead to this situation with 15 Koreans and 9 foreigners qualified for the main event.
Even for the top foreigners like Showtime and Nerchio, the best result will be to qualified to stage 2.

This new format will make foreigners earn less money in tournaments and gaining less apparence for sponsors.
Only top foreigners will survive and it has already happened, lots of foreigners have already leaved SC2.

But people whining about the region lock on TL has what they wanted, a SSL bis.

Anyway, I'll try to enjoy this games before the whole scene collapse...

What end of the region lock? This is the only open global event of the year. All the WCS Circuit events/Dreamhacks will be region locked. You will only see TRUE and Violet there.


WHAT ? My mistake then. I'm very surprised. I really thought it was the end of region lock....

So if I understand correctly, the WCS points you win in this event are like bonus points for your region WCS standing ?

Pretty much, you earn points for your region. WCS Circuit contenders will earn WCS Circuit points and WCS Korea contenders will earn WCS Korea points.

And if you win this tournament you're qualified for Blizzcon.

Oh yeah, worth mentioning.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
breaker1328
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada296 Posts
March 01 2017 11:39 GMT
#29
On March 01 2017 08:01 aRyuujin wrote:
how the hell is korea so stacked in a small area


Think of it this way. Why are so many great bands over time from England?

A whole crap load of people in a very small geographic area.

The cream rises to the top in that situation.
PipusSc2
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Andorra5 Posts
March 01 2017 13:45 GMT
#30
C'mon nerchio
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
March 01 2017 14:48 GMT
#31
On March 01 2017 19:51 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2017 19:46 Clevername02 wrote:
Obviously we all expect Neeb to beat Harstem, and honestly anyone who isn't extremely Korean biased to an absurd level would favor Neeb over Stats because of his insane PvP.

Neeb vs Stats is maybe 50-50. Stats is commonly seen as the best PvP player in Korea and won their last match against each other in Shoutcraft.

That's an online game, and as we all know, online games mean absolutely nothing. Just kidding, but still, an online bo1 is worth even less than an online bo3, and Neeb beat Stats offline in a bo5.

Stats may be the best PvPer in Korea, but Neeb is arguably the best foreign PvPer, and he is probably one of the best PvPers in Korea as well.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
HooHooH
Profile Joined January 2015
165 Posts
March 01 2017 16:14 GMT
#32
Group D looks a blast!

B should also be very entertaining
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-01 23:11:00
March 01 2017 23:06 GMT
#33
Everything has changed a whole lot since last Kespa cup. Neeb beat Stats in Kespa cup doesn't mean he can beat Stats now, considering Stats's form recently.

There is a common sense in foreigner Starcraft: whenever a foreigner beats a Korean (in ab bo3 or bo5) , everyone starts to think that player in GSL level and overhype him. Even months later ppl still believe that, then that player got rekt by the Korean, and the overhyping comes to an end quickly. Lets see how long "Neeb's PvP god" will last.
muppet70
Profile Joined January 2017
Sweden72 Posts
March 01 2017 23:12 GMT
#34
There was I think TLO who complained about the lack of major tournaments for foreigners, and how important the few are.
Does that mean the online cups are basically pocket money?
Is it also a matter of appearing in front of a live audience regarding sponsors?
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-01 23:54:09
March 01 2017 23:17 GMT
#35
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
March 01 2017 23:38 GMT
#36
On March 02 2017 08:06 ParksonVN wrote:
Everything has changed a whole lot since last Kespa cup. Neeb beat Stats in Kespa cup doesn't mean he can beat Stats now, considering Stats's form recently.

There is a common sense in foreigner Starcraft: whenever a foreigner beats a Korean (in ab bo3 or bo5) , everyone starts to think that player in GSL level and overhype him. Even months later ppl still believe that, then that player got rekt by the Korean, and the overhyping comes to an end quickly. Lets see how long "Neeb's PvP god" will last.



The thing is, he got that nickname not just from beating Koreans, but by beating nearly everyone. Since the release of LotV, Neeb has an 77% map winrate, and he's had very solid PvP results vs both Koreans and non-Koreans.

And it's not that a player wins one series, and people think he's GSL quality but that he wins multiple series against GSL-level opponents, which, in this case, Neeb did.
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JimmyShmo
Profile Joined March 2017
3 Posts
March 02 2017 00:01 GMT
#37
when do the actual matchups for these groups get released?
JimmyShmo
Profile Joined March 2017
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 00:02:33
March 02 2017 00:02 GMT
#38
On March 02 2017 09:01 JimmyShmo wrote:
when do the actual matchups for these groups get released?

FrostbitethundeR
Profile Joined April 2015
Malaysia28 Posts
March 02 2017 16:45 GMT
#39
The number of Zergs that qualified for the group stage is worrying .. feel so helpless as Zerg at the moment. Please make some reasonable changes to help the Zerg race holistically.

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