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The first group of the condensed week, Group G, featured established veterans of varying acclaim in  ByuN,  Stats and Ryung as well as a newcomer  DRGLing. First to get out of Group G was Stats who, although slow to react to ranged liberators, was able to out-muscle ByuN with a colossus/high templar composition. 2 consecutive victories over Terran are a positive sign for a player who undoubtedly fancies himself a title contender.
DRGLing's tournament came to a terminus in a disappointing series against Ryung that including a peculiar ling/bane style versus mech on Overgrowth. Building on that victory, Ryung moved on to face ByuN in the final match of the day. In the decisive game, Ryung leveraged an early economic advantage and a ByuN error into an overwhelming siege tank advantage which earned him a place in the round of 16.
Group F contained Classic, aLive and MyuNgSiK, but the inarguable highlight was Scarlett. Despite the hype surrounding the first foreigner in GSL in years, it was Classic who topped the group in dominant fashion. His ceaseless harassment and expert defense on Whirlwind were key in defeating Scarlett and propelled him into the Round of 16.
Meanwhile a resurgent aLive put a moratorium on MyuNgSiK’s return to Starcraft 2. The ex-SKT Protoss looked inadequate at best and positively undeserving of a GSL spot at worse. Whether he returns for season 2 remains to be seen, but it would not be surprising if he opted not to. After that aLive battled for his tournament life against Scarlett in a tense match. He would emerge victorious in a 3 game set that included all manner of compositions from the foreign Zerg, making him the final player to advance to the next stage of 2017 GSL Season 1.
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Thanks for the quick write-up!
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Sad news, i watched scarlett, good series vs aLive
off topic.
What is the point of having "Spoiler free TL" when the menus at the left still show the thread titles?
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On January 27 2017 02:35 Rantech wrote:
Sad news, i watched scarlett, good series vs aLive
off topic.
What is the point of having "Spoiler free TL" when the menus at the left still show the thread titles?
QFT
Its really annoying for anyone who cares about the games and cant watch it live
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On January 27 2017 02:35 Rantech wrote:
Sad news, i watched scarlett, good series vs aLive
off topic.
What is the point of having "Spoiler free TL" when the menus at the left still show the thread titles?
you have to actually go to the spoiler free site:
http://www.teamliquid.net/nospoiler
Otherwise there could be spoilers.
For example, Now I see the titles hidden and [Spoiler Hidden] as the links on the left.
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On January 27 2017 03:39 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 02:35 Rantech wrote:
Sad news, i watched scarlett, good series vs aLive
off topic.
What is the point of having "Spoiler free TL" when the menus at the left still show the thread titles? you have to actually go to the spoiler free site: http://www.teamliquid.net/nospoilerOtherwise there could be spoilers. For example, Now I see the titles hidden and [Spoiler Hidden] as the links on the left.
Thanks for the tip, I've been just avoiding the site altogether. 
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Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance.
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On January 27 2017 03:39 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 02:35 Rantech wrote:
Sad news, i watched scarlett, good series vs aLive
off topic.
What is the point of having "Spoiler free TL" when the menus at the left still show the thread titles? you have to actually go to the spoiler free site: http://www.teamliquid.net/nospoilerOtherwise there could be spoilers. For example, Now I see the titles hidden and [Spoiler Hidden] as the links on the left.
Okay. So now, how do I get out of it?
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In the front page, search for "Hide Spoiler". There is a tick box.
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France12915 Posts
On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance.
Not sure if you are sarcastic about balance or about foreigners.
Sad for ByuN and Scarlett, cool for Ryung and aLive tho, their happiness depended on the sadness of fan favorites tho :/.
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Where dat snitch at?37084 Posts
On January 27 2017 04:20 polgas wrote:
In the front page, search for "Hide Spoiler". There is a tick box.
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On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance.
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all she needed was not to lose roaches before blords involved in battle /facepalm
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I dont think Classic dominated Scarlett in the series, sure the 3rd game was all Classic's favour, but all came down to an early 2 adept harrash killing too much. That happens very often to all zergs and doesnt means a difference in skill level by any means.
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On January 27 2017 04:23 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance. Not sure if you are sarcastic about balance or about foreigners. Sad for ByuN and Scarlett, cool for Ryung and aLive tho, their happiness depended on the sadness of fan favorites tho :/.
There was zero sarcasm there. Both Terran and Protoss are dominant vZ in the current meta. It's very obvious while playing that zerg is very weak currently. This problem is made even more obvious by recent tournament results.
Also, I find it quite ridiculous that I was warned for my OP. I guess freedom of speech isn't something I have here :/
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On January 27 2017 05:27 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 04:23 Poopi wrote:On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance. Not sure if you are sarcastic about balance or about foreigners. Sad for ByuN and Scarlett, cool for Ryung and aLive tho, their happiness depended on the sadness of fan favorites tho :/. There was zero sarcasm there. Both Terran and Protoss are dominant vZ in the current meta. It's very obvious while playing that zerg is very weak currently. This problem is made even more obvious by recent tournament results. Also, I find it quite ridiculous that I was warned for my OP. I guess freedom of speech isn't something I have here :/
So how come Nerchio beat INnovation, Zest twice and sOs if zerg is very weak?
He is one of the (if not the) top foreigners indeed but they are still top to decent korean players (INno / Zest / sOs from most in form to less) so it musn't be that weak.
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On January 27 2017 05:27 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 04:23 Poopi wrote:On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance. Not sure if you are sarcastic about balance or about foreigners. Sad for ByuN and Scarlett, cool for Ryung and aLive tho, their happiness depended on the sadness of fan favorites tho :/. There was zero sarcasm there. Both Terran and Protoss are dominant vZ in the current meta. It's very obvious while playing that zerg is very weak currently. This problem is made even more obvious by recent tournament results. Also, I find it quite ridiculous that I was warned for my OP. I guess freedom of speech isn't something I have here :/
you get used to it
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I am so happy to see Ryung advance.
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alive is literally 10 times the player scarlett is, so no suprise here
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On January 27 2017 05:27 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 04:23 Poopi wrote:On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance. Not sure if you are sarcastic about balance or about foreigners. Sad for ByuN and Scarlett, cool for Ryung and aLive tho, their happiness depended on the sadness of fan favorites tho :/. There was zero sarcasm there. Both Terran and Protoss are dominant vZ in the current meta. It's very obvious while playing that zerg is very weak currently. This problem is made even more obvious by recent tournament results. Also, I find it quite ridiculous that I was warned for my OP. I guess freedom of speech isn't something I have here :/
Every forum has rules that restrict freedom of speech. This one has one against excessive balance whine, for instance.
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even though i was sad to see Scarlett lose, it still was cool having people hyped for a GSL & having a foreigner compete.
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On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance.
User was warned for this post
he just is the only player to win code s and ssl that is all yknow
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On January 27 2017 05:27 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 04:23 Poopi wrote:On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance. Not sure if you are sarcastic about balance or about foreigners. Sad for ByuN and Scarlett, cool for Ryung and aLive tho, their happiness depended on the sadness of fan favorites tho :/. There was zero sarcasm there. Both Terran and Protoss are dominant vZ in the current meta. It's very obvious while playing that zerg is very weak currently. This problem is made even more obvious by recent tournament results. Also, I find it quite ridiculous that I was warned for my OP. I guess freedom of speech isn't something I have here :/
most of the mods and admins get mad in this site when someone talk about balance like if that word doesn't mean anything on the dictionary
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On January 27 2017 05:46 Paljas wrote:
alive is literally 10 times the player scarlett is, so no suprise here
Well if you compare their achievements this might just be a slight exaggeration.
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On January 27 2017 06:40 SC2BF3Love wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 05:27 TentativePanda wrote:On January 27 2017 04:23 Poopi wrote:On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance. Not sure if you are sarcastic about balance or about foreigners. Sad for ByuN and Scarlett, cool for Ryung and aLive tho, their happiness depended on the sadness of fan favorites tho :/. There was zero sarcasm there. Both Terran and Protoss are dominant vZ in the current meta. It's very obvious while playing that zerg is very weak currently. This problem is made even more obvious by recent tournament results. Also, I find it quite ridiculous that I was warned for my OP. I guess freedom of speech isn't something I have here :/ most of the mods and admins get mad in this site when someone talk about balance like if that word doesn't mean anything on the dictionary
Maybe people don't put enough effort in balance whining? Rather than "terran is OP" mods probably expect you to explain your choice in a post that makes logical sense. Don't confuse this with emotion though. 
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already read it on expert's page. a shame, really. both were so close
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QQ... that was a painful loss for scarlett in the 2nd game
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GG to all, Zerg is not weak atm it just takes a really high high high ability to pilot atm. Scarlet is a great player but she is not in the realms of Byul, SoO or Dark lets face it. In the final game v Alive - Alive really showed his prowess by skirting around creep, infiltrating her soft spots, diverting her attention and setting up that beautiful spread of marines whilst he dropped her Natural. Scarlet saw this attack coming but was slow to make her banes and got a very unfavourable initial engage because of it.
The real revelation here in the recent GSL games however, came from Stats bullying Byun. Stats' game on Whirlwind was probably the best (highest skill level) we have seen this year; perfect scouting, perfect vision, perfect reactions, perfect defense, perfect unit composition for the situation, perfect offense and execution. Made the presently T favored TvP 'match-up' look easy for P. I doubt he can repeat this level, but I could be wrong...
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On January 27 2017 08:56 AxiomBlurr wrote:
infiltrating her soft spots
this
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*insert one hunned emoji* Glad to see aLive and Classic performing well! Put Scarlett in her place :D Filthy Zerg
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On January 27 2017 05:46 Paljas wrote:
alive is literally 10 times the player scarlett is, so no suprise here
Don't say that on TL, ya might get banned
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Well, we should see both ByuN and Scarlett in Stage 2 IEM Qualifiers. Hopefully at the event itself too.
With any luck they can recover from this early elimination.
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On January 27 2017 09:48 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 05:46 Paljas wrote:
alive is literally 10 times the player scarlett is, so no suprise here Don't say that on TL, ya might get banned
nah, nobody gets banned for using silly hyperboles or sarcasm.
Anyway, a week with good games on GSL.
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When Scarlett lost that final game vs aLive I threw my headset in rage and salt like Avilo 
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On January 27 2017 10:00 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 09:48 LongShot27 wrote:On January 27 2017 05:46 Paljas wrote:
alive is literally 10 times the player scarlett is, so no suprise here Don't say that on TL, ya might get banned nah, nobody gets banned for using silly hyperboles or sarcasm. Anyway, a week with good games on GSL.
Nope never
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Scarlett was absolutely dominant against muyungsik, but completely screwed up against alive. I was rooting for her but she missread a lot of situations.
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On January 27 2017 05:27 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 04:23 Poopi wrote:On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance. Not sure if you are sarcastic about balance or about foreigners. Sad for ByuN and Scarlett, cool for Ryung and aLive tho, their happiness depended on the sadness of fan favorites tho :/. There was zero sarcasm there. Both Terran and Protoss are dominant vZ in the current meta. It's very obvious while playing that zerg is very weak currently. This problem is made even more obvious by recent tournament results. Also, I find it quite ridiculous that I was warned for my OP. I guess freedom of speech isn't something I have here :/
Your post was pretty dumb. Calling someone who's been in Code S since 2011 a "patch terran" is either ignorance or just blatant disrespect. I can understand being mad about current state of the game (or more likely that your favored player lost) but you can talk about that in a more constructive way.
TL has always had a policy against balance whine. Keeps the site from becoming a shitty cesspool of memes and whining.
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On January 27 2017 11:07 JackONeill wrote:
Scarlett was absolutely dominant against muyungsik, but completely screwed up against alive. I was rooting for her but she missread a lot of situations.
This is true, but I kinda feel like Scarlett plays better against the ropes (i.e. the first game vs. alive, and that really old bomber game with the bane bomb at the end...). She kinda goes into overdrive when you think she's going to lose, but alas, it wasn't enough
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On January 27 2017 05:46 Paljas wrote:
alive is literally 10 times the player scarlett is, so no suprise here
them is fighting words
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I actually don't understand why did Scarlett try to pull off some cheese in both match-ups. It both came out very wrong and let her behind. So she gave one free map to Classic and one semi-free map to aLive, If she just played standard, perhaps she'd be in Ro16 now as her macro games were decent (she would probably end in Ro16 then, but at least she would get there).
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Very sad for scarlett, would have been a great story.
I think, the viewer count was pretty high ... so it's very sad for starcraft community in general i guess she didn't make it. Especially korean starcraft scene could have benefited from climbing viewer count for a longer period of the GSL season.
But in the end it was her fault. She just didn't played her best ... as some already mentioned, game 2 was her game to loose ... if she hadn't rushed with her roach / ravager without waiting for BL support to join the battle too she could (and SHOULD) habe easily won that game. In that case it would have been an easy 2-0 victory. But instead the threw that game ... guess that played a role in the third game too.
But i really don't know how someone will see a reason for a TvZ inbalance there. I think, in the current state TvZ is one of the best balanced match-ups in the whole game ...
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Some people here complain about imbalance (of course this needs to be discussed but not based on these games). The games scarlett lost had nothing to do with balance.
Game 1 vs. classic she made a horrible cheese. This was just a giveaway.
Her macrogames were always good, and also in all series. I don't know why she did not trust in it more.
Then vs alive she literally threw game 3 two times.
She had such an advantage after pushing and taking the gold and denying the 3rd of alive for so long.
Then she just went into his defense and threw away all her units.
And then again in a huge battle she crushed his army, having 5 broodlords and a nice army.
Then she amoved the roaches into death and broodlords came when everything was dead and were taken out by two vikings.
I think overall she is so good she should have won. You could also see that in nation wars etc.. But she messed up hard. The games she won were all clear and good.
edit: well okay, somehow TL didn't show the 3 posts above me :D. now we have written the same thing 3 times. but well.. :D
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I’d feel pretty confident even against (T)INnoVation or (T)ByuN – I beat them like 60-70%
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On January 27 2017 19:04 MegatronSC2 wrote:
I’d feel pretty confident even against (T)INnoVation or (T)ByuN – I beat them like 60-70%
Yeah.
I watched her games from Nation Wars vs Korea thanks to replays pack, and I was not impressed so much.
Both wins against Byun were OK but the win vs Inno...  . Probably his grandma who played at his place waiting he wakes up, no ?
After, I know she performs well on Korean server, maybe she is better than ByuN ATM but never ever better than Inno !
I follow Bunny and TY stream very often and I saw her lose frequently vs them (Once TY recognized her with SC2unmasked cause she RQ against him). It means also she can lose vs sub top koreans terran (TY plays on ladder very quietly) as she lost vs aLive.
So maybe she was a little bit overconfident even she still one of the best foreigners ATM.
BTW very sad for ByuN but he did not appear at his best lvl and fell against a great Ryung and an even more great Stats.
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Maybe scarlett choked a little too.
She looked really rattled before playing muyngsik, and then won the BO3 really quickly. That may have made her feel like she needed to be overagressive i dunno
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sacha <3
Sorry the pressure (i'd wager being the only foreigner syndrome) got to you, still that was damn close
considering the stakes!
So happy there are still people like you trying to dethrone koreans within sc2 mecca!
(nope, you are the only one left trying and infinite thank you for that!!!)
#Always root for your success because of all the years of efforts you did put in to get there, year after year
See you next time soon and hope you go on fitttttttttiiiiiiing!!!
and get to prove that it can be done <3
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No disrespect to Scarlett, but she bugged me out with all that HUBRIS. Yes, Hubris, not confidence, hubris.
I like how you guys point out the cheese. She did the same in her FIRST game vs Maru in WESG.
Some pitiful ravager rush. It was not the build of a player confident in his/her macro abilities and game sense and skill. That was the move of a scared player.
I couldn't understand WHY she did those builds, especially vs Maru.
And I saw her fail vs Innovation in an online match with some terrible proxy hatch ravager nonsense too.
Funny thing, I read on here after Dark beat Byun in IEM. In his interview, he said Byun had become complacent after winning, that he didn't have the same drive to be the best at all times. It's funny she said she could handle Inno or Byun, but not do anything with Maru. So where does that leave her vs TY?
Or Bunny? Keen? Alive?
She needs to chill out, after that patch, all the rankings were readjusted... I don't put her above even a Solar, and he couldn't get out the round of 32...
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Byun hasn't looked the same since the Olimo league finals to me. He reminds me of Zest last year, from unstoppable to mortal..
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I KNEW Byun was in trouble when he pulled out of NationWars. Around Blizzconn, Byun was playing in everything in sight, smashing EVERYTHING. Constantly streaming' so he had TONS of games out there.
Even Artosis said he expected it to hurt him in the tournament, having so much out there to study. But Byun just executed so well, Microed so impeccably, that it didn't even matter.
But he drops a few games in Nation Wars, and all of a sudden he feels like he has to " Focus"?!!!
After that, I knew he was running scared, and that Dark had him right on the money. I mean hell, Patience won Homestory and then didn't even make IEM OR GSL, you have to stay on your game...
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Hum,
I am watching GSL Loser Strickes Back and I don't think Scarlett can't say she is better than Inno anymore 
So...unbalanced game or huge skill gap ?
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Like I said in the other thread:
INnoVation 10-1 Scarlett.
Because he is a patchterran.
I mean, he uses 4M, Hellbats, and Liberators, all of which were completely untouched or nerfed (Liberators) by Patch 3.8.
Not to mention that its Protoss with the post-patch problems against Terran, while Zerg is fine.
But I mean, totally patchterran.
Cuz far too much salt to admit Inno is just that fucking good.
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On January 27 2017 21:04 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote:
I KNEW Byun was in trouble when he pulled out of NationWars. Around Blizzconn, Byun was playing in everything in sight, smashing EVERYTHING. Constantly streaming' so he had TONS of games out there.
Even Artosis said he expected it to hurt him in the tournament, having so much out there to study. But Byun just executed so well, Microed so impeccably, that it didn't even matter.
But he drops a few games in Nation Wars, and all of a sudden he feels like he has to " Focus"?!!!
After that, I knew he was running scared, and that Dark had him right on the money. I mean hell, Patience won Homestory and then didn't even make IEM OR GSL, you have to stay on your game...
Hm you forget, that we are in a new meta because of the patch. The level in general is so high, that the change of meta, changes the top10 in the world significantly.
It is no concience that innovation is suddenly good now. The meta (the whole last year) did not suit him that much i think.
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On January 27 2017 20:51 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote:
No disrespect to Scarlett, but she bugged me out with all that HUBRIS. Yes, Hubris, not confidence, hubris.
Calling that hubris instead of confidence is actually extremely disrespectful, or is she not allowed by the laws of physics or something to have confidence in herself?
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60-70% vs Byun or Innovation? After she gets smashed by Maru? Then can't even handle alive? Gotta call a spade a spade, she shoulda kept it humble
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On January 28 2017 00:27 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote:
60-70% vs Byun or Innovation? After she gets smashed by Maru? Then can't even handle alive? Gotta call a spade a spade, she shoulda kept it humble
Can you for once not post something negative?
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On January 28 2017 00:27 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote:
60-70% vs Byun or Innovation? After she gets smashed by Maru? Then can't even handle alive? Gotta call a spade a spade, she shoulda kept it humble
Nr 1 you dont have the right to call Scarlett any of that. She reached the competition which is alread a huge experience gain and was probably overwhelmed in the moment, but at least she tried.
Nr 2 Scarlett was always one of the most humble and modest players that ever walked a stage in the history of this game. She still is. She never was a twitter warrior like other progamers, to justify you calling her not humble.
Nr 3 direct your obvious rage to something else and fast. Yell in a fucking pillow. Hit your fridge. Go to gym. Jog. Have sex. Paint.
Nr 4 there are sudden unplanned factors that influence decisions before hugely inportant events like emotions when playing vs legendary players, and it's something no cosch ever teaches you. To master that you must try Code S again and again and again, and when it hurts yet again.
So stop the bashing cuz you're too obvious and too loud.
Fact is she earned the place there, took fast decisions, didnr go through but won critical experience for the next try.
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the circlejerk isn't funny anymore, now it's just getting annoying
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On January 27 2017 23:23 SpecKROELLchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 21:04 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote:
I KNEW Byun was in trouble when he pulled out of NationWars. Around Blizzconn, Byun was playing in everything in sight, smashing EVERYTHING. Constantly streaming' so he had TONS of games out there.
Even Artosis said he expected it to hurt him in the tournament, having so much out there to study. But Byun just executed so well, Microed so impeccably, that it didn't even matter.
But he drops a few games in Nation Wars, and all of a sudden he feels like he has to " Focus"?!!!
After that, I knew he was running scared, and that Dark had him right on the money. I mean hell, Patience won Homestory and then didn't even make IEM OR GSL, you have to stay on your game... Hm you forget, that we are in a new meta because of the patch. The level in general is so high, that the change of meta, changes the top10 in the world significantly. It is no concience that innovation is suddenly good now. The meta (the whole last year) did not suit him that much i think.
INnoVation explain in itw that he basically slacked and wasted 2016. He played LoL, he trained less... going in Blizzcon for showmatch and seeing other players in the big stage kinda waked him up. And so the Machine started walking again.
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Well that was disappointing. I wanted to see them both in the round of 16. Scarlett played very well though. Almost made it both times for her win-and-ins.
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Any rage you see is from people saying stuff like patch terrans, and acting like Scarlett is Dark. Or even close. I was ROOTING for her vs Maru. I saw that weak cheese and I was worried about her upcoming gsl performance. Same as I was worried about Byun after I saw him lose the FIRST game to Soo in the olimoleague finals. Not cause he lost, Because of HOW he played, again, if I recall correctly some kind of weak proxy cheese, a pattern. As a counterpoint, you hardly ever see guys like Dark or TY cheese. They trust in their skills. I think that's why she pissed me off so much. She's sooo good, but in a crux she chose a weak cheese. She acted like Maru is God cause SHE couldn't beat HIM, and treating Byun and Inno, or TY, or Bunny, or all these other guys like she could just ROLL OVER THEM. I'm like, " She barely beat Major in the WESG NA final 4-3"? If Dark does cheese, he usually punishes some stupid build where he dissects the flaws in it. Believe me, I was a Huge Byun fan this year, after I saw him lose to I think a Chinese player in Nation Wars, I knew Dark had read him perfectly.
Like how does a patch that favors Terran make Byun WORSE? It's not all about the patch, clearly....
But hey, Solar got knocked out. So did Zest and Rogue. Last year Maru AND Innovation were knocked out of code s. And Inno took responsibility, said he was lazy. Hell, Im pissed at Solar for not getting out of the group. I was irritated Cure didn't get out, but Leenock played Sooo well I'm excited to see what he can do.
Bashing???? I woulda NEVER TOOK that tone if she wasn't so arrogant. I saw Keen 2-0 Dark twice in a row, but in a tournament I'm betting on Dark. Classic had over 4000 WCS points, HE shoulda been at blizzconn over at least pittdrogo, like come on!!!!!!
I just like good games my man..
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lol at no point should anyone ever expect a foreigner to advance. sorry. neeb is the only one who ever won a stacked and legit korean tournament in recent time (and only winner in a tourney in korea if im not mistaken). showtime and elazer impressed at blizzcon with huge upsets but even then they got peaced out eventually. nerchio sometimes is good. but scarlett not that good. nobody shouldve expected her to advance, thats only setting yourself up for disappointment. i know she has done badass stuff before like play protoss and beat DRG, but ultimately the koreans are gonna win in GSL.
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On January 28 2017 21:52 fishjie wrote:
lol at no point should anyone ever expect a foreigner to advance. sorry. neeb is the only one who ever won a stacked and legit korean tournament in recent time (and only winner in a tourney in korea if im not mistaken). showtime and elazer impressed at blizzcon with huge upsets but even then they got peaced out eventually. nerchio sometimes is good. but scarlett not that good. nobody shouldve expected her to advance, thats only setting yourself up for disappointment. i know she has done badass stuff before like play protoss and beat DRG, but ultimately the koreans are gonna win in GSL.
Of course we can expect her to advance lol. She was one game away to advance as first place, and then one game away to advance as second place. She finished her group at 4-4, like aLive who qualified as 2nd place.
ByuN was also one game away from advancing and we don't hear people say: "uh why should you expect the blizzcon winner to advance in ro32, lolol". You got wrong double standards :x.
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She was talking about winning against inno and others on ladder. That's where the win percentages came from. Tastosis mentioned it in the cast.
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You know what's funny though? Watch the GSL vods again, at some point in the cast, Artosis talks about Byun, and the difference between getting to the top and STAYING at the top. He said there was almost like a curse for the longest time where the GSL winner got knocked,out in the round of 32, like EVERYTIME, basically if it wasn't MC, MVP, or Nestea or someone like these guys....
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I wish spoiler free TL meant spoiler free...
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On January 30 2017 18:15 Gen.Rolly wrote:
I wish spoiler free TL meant spoiler free...
This was four days ago. You can't complain about a news website having news on the frontpage four days later. There's not one argument to be made here.
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On January 28 2017 17:59 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote:
Bashing???? I woulda NEVER TOOK that tone if she wasn't so arrogant.
Ha, good one, you take that tone with everything you say. You have no place to say that someone who simply has confidence is acting arrogant, and your ceaseless "I'm always right, you're wrong, listen to me completely dismiss someone else's accomplishments because I type in caps" attitude is unwelcome.
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Lol, dude, you guys seem to not get the statement she can beat Maru or Inno 7 times out of 10 everytime is just plain not true.
Byun just beat three straight top tier zergs in the qualifiers. Alive beat Maru. Gumiho beat Maru. Serial qualified, and I don't think Elazer or Nerchio have yet.
Like I said, I didn't have a problem with her LOSING (caps are for emphasis ya know, maybe I should try italics??) more with her mindset going into the game. She just beat him 3-2 Ina qualifier, but at WESG, that was for like 20000-50000kor something, what ever 3-4th place gets, and she plays like she is scared to death.
And these qualifiers show Maru isn't GOD. Far from it.
Edit: I had to add this, I believe during the WESG, the casters were discussing Scarlett's (and I'm pretty sure these were their words) Imperious attitude towards Terran. She felt ULTRA CONFIDENT vs ANY Terran. You know why? She said she practices with Byun and didn't care about any other Terrans.
It killed me reading her interview, describing Marus 2-1-1 pressure play. The way she explained it, Maru was the only one she's seen perfect it. And she hasn't seen anything like it since Taeja. This is after Byun spent ALL of 2016 killing everyone with the 2-1-1. Watch Byuns first game vs Violet and tell me he can't reproduce whatever the hell she feels like Maru is doing.I took it as kinda disrepspectful to her teammate.
This is the same player who said she learned how to deal with reapers by playing 50 games against Byun until she figured out how to deal with it. So if not for Byun she might still be dying to reapers.
Like I said before, I LIKE Scarlett. I just didn't like what she kinda indirectly said about Byun. And I'm tired of foreigners talking smack and then don't back it up, just play the game.....
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And at the moment, barring a major collapse, Byun WILL be at IEM...
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On January 30 2017 18:17 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2017 18:15 Gen.Rolly wrote:
I wish spoiler free TL meant spoiler free... This was four days ago. You can't complain about a news website having news on the frontpage four days later. There's not one argument to be made here.
4 days in sc2 time is actually not long at all, considering there are 2/3 GSLs per year, and the whole point of the VODs is you can watch on your own schedule. I'll have you know I was traveling 4 days ago. I made the mistake of checking for other news when I knew there was a risk of spoiling. I'm just saying it could be better. What happened to a simple "Group Y Results and Group Z Preview?"
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On January 28 2017 21:52 fishjie wrote:
lol at no point should anyone ever expect a foreigner to advance. sorry. neeb is the only one who ever won a stacked and legit korean tournament in recent time (and only winner in a tourney in korea if im not mistaken). showtime and elazer impressed at blizzcon with huge upsets but even then they got peaced out eventually. nerchio sometimes is good. but scarlett not that good. nobody shouldve expected her to advance, thats only setting yourself up for disappointment. i know she has done badass stuff before like play protoss and beat DRG, but ultimately the koreans are gonna win in GSL.
And even Neeb only got that far because he got almost all pvp. I'm a big Neeb fan but yeah, just the truth.
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On January 31 2017 16:07 Fatam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 21:52 fishjie wrote:
lol at no point should anyone ever expect a foreigner to advance. sorry. neeb is the only one who ever won a stacked and legit korean tournament in recent time (and only winner in a tourney in korea if im not mistaken). showtime and elazer impressed at blizzcon with huge upsets but even then they got peaced out eventually. nerchio sometimes is good. but scarlett not that good. nobody shouldve expected her to advance, thats only setting yourself up for disappointment. i know she has done badass stuff before like play protoss and beat DRG, but ultimately the koreans are gonna win in GSL. And even Neeb only got that far because he got almost all pvp. I'm a big Neeb fan but yeah, just the truth.
Neeb has a 60%+ winrate in all match ups, he can compete with the best of all races. You make him out to be a one match up wonder with what you said and saying things like that unjustly discredits him. I'm not even a neeb fan and i think he is gosu as F*ck
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aLive has always been super underrated imo, but damn it hurt to watch Scarlett throw her lead away in game 2.
ByuN's rough patch has been pretty tough to watch as well, thankfully he made it to IEM Katowice
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On January 27 2017 05:02 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 04:10 TentativePanda wrote:
Scarlett lost to a patch Terran. That is all
EDIT: And a player who is very good but made even better with PvZ imbalance.
User was warned for this post all she needed was not to lose roaches before blords involved in battle /facepalm
As commentator pointed out, she knew there was a timer on her counter attack to work because alive was pumping out vikings at other side of the map.
EDIT: which doesn t mean it wasn 't a mistake (the viking count turned out to be rather low, she overestimated her opponent's adaptation speed), just not the most obvious throw of all time, as some ppl make it sound.
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On January 28 2017 21:52 fishjie wrote:
lol at no point should anyone ever expect a foreigner to advance. sorry. neeb is the only one who ever won a stacked and legit korean tournament in recent time (and only winner in a tourney in korea if im not mistaken). showtime and elazer impressed at blizzcon with huge upsets but even then they got peaced out eventually. nerchio sometimes is good. but scarlett not that good. nobody shouldve expected her to advance, thats only setting yourself up for disappointment. i know she has done badass stuff before like play protoss and beat DRG, but ultimately the koreans are gonna win in GSL.
Remember guillaume patry Grrrr back in BW, yet another amazing canadian player.
Canada pride ye.
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On January 31 2017 17:23 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 16:07 Fatam wrote:On January 28 2017 21:52 fishjie wrote:
lol at no point should anyone ever expect a foreigner to advance. sorry. neeb is the only one who ever won a stacked and legit korean tournament in recent time (and only winner in a tourney in korea if im not mistaken). showtime and elazer impressed at blizzcon with huge upsets but even then they got peaced out eventually. nerchio sometimes is good. but scarlett not that good. nobody shouldve expected her to advance, thats only setting yourself up for disappointment. i know she has done badass stuff before like play protoss and beat DRG, but ultimately the koreans are gonna win in GSL. And even Neeb only got that far because he got almost all pvp. I'm a big Neeb fan but yeah, just the truth. Neeb has a 60%+ winrate in all match ups, he can compete with the best of all races. You make him out to be a one match up wonder with what you said and saying things like that unjustly discredits him. I'm not even a neeb fan and i think he is gosu as F*ck
I think he certainly deserved his Kespa Cup victory because it just happens sometime that you get lucky with the matchups - Zest also played mostly pvp during his kespa cup victory but nobody discredits him for it.
But let's be honest - he can't compete with the best of all races. 0-3 against Dark at blizzcon, 0-3 against TY at WESG, none of the maps were even close.
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so are they just picking groups tonight or are there matches??
edit: found my answer. for anyone wondering the same question, groups are picked tonight, upcoming matches are on Feb 8th
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Well ya know, sometimes you need blind confidence to get you going. Sometimes that does the trick, to be able to trust yourself.
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