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ByuN/Maru won't attend offline portion of NationWars IV -…
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
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TheHumanLife
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I guess that thrashing by Scarlett in the qualifiers really scared Byun... I guess he just couldn't face getting all-killed again. It doesn't make sense even with just a joke. We always cannot trust the online tournament results before offline tournaments happening. Apparently, it is completely different if it comes to offline. In online tournament, anyone can beat anyone in pro scene really no matter it's played on fair ping or same condition. But if it's offline tournament that Korean pros seriously care, they really rarely lose to Korean amateurs or even top foreigners. And we almost never see any top Korean amateurs make to GSL code S who used to beat many GSL champs in Korean online tournament. (at least NightMare made this time) Just look at Homestory Cup. 7 players were Koreans in ro 8 there, and only 2 Koreans were allowed in WESG and both of them made final with 3-0ing all the top foreigners (especially Maru never dropped a single map against any top foreigners there) | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Man the Koreans just have so much talent waiting in the wings. Enviable to be sure. Well they can make like 10 teams with all the Code S level players to compete for winning in Nations War. But they just only prepare their leagues such as GSL. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 18 2017 03:22 GumBa wrote: I wish it was a zerg I think we all do. You traitor. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On January 18 2017 12:48 ejozl wrote: They're not worse players, but the truth is Protoss can only do so well atm. I predict a Poland win. Poland has a Protoss, ergo they will automatically lose because Canada has a Two Zergs and a Terran, and Semper's TvP really looks on point lately. | ||
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swissman777
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maitiky
Czech Republic54 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 18 2017 03:22 GumBa wrote: I wish it was a zerg What difference does it make to you we know you're just going to tune in to Innovation's games then complain about them | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
On January 18 2017 11:44 TheHumanLife wrote: Not true.In online tournament, anyone can beat anyone in pro scene really no matter it's played on fair ping or same condition. | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On January 18 2017 16:38 Jj_82 wrote: Not true. I know there is a difference between online play and offline play, but the perception that one can disregard the online play to the extent that it is on this forum is just wrong. Some notable examples have been Neeb, Byun, and Nerchio, who have played very strongly online and then translated that to actual performance. Particularly Neeb and Byun, who hadn't competed much offline recently prior to 2016, performed extremely well online before doing well offline. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Not true. yes it is true. I've seen Korean amatuers 2-0ing top GSL code S players in Korean online tournament. What I recently remember is one of Korean zerg amateur Mamuri beated ByuN in macro game, and one of terran amateur 2-0 Dark in huge upset in online. (can't remember, might be Soloist or Miso) And everyone knows they are not even code S level players. (or maybe Code S players are not that serious in online or minor tournaments as they do in GSL, cuz as you see ByuN and Maru decided not to participate in Nations War anymore for their GSL practice) I know there is a difference between online play and offline play, but the perception that one can disregard the online play to the extent that it is on this forum is just wrong. Some notable examples have been Neeb, Byun, and Nerchio, who have played very strongly online and then translated that to actual performance. Particularly Neeb and Byun, who hadn't competed much offline recently prior to 2016, performed extremely well online before doing well offline. of course it cannot be 100% disregarded. But, it is definitely not something to be treated same as offline. And top ladder rankers like Neeb and ByuN are exceptions. Especially, ByuN constantly beated top Koreans in online since when he was nobody. ByuN showed enough that he beated top players in online more than 20 time, and he proved enough that it is not something random results in online. But in general, random results can be more easily happened in online tournaments in pro scene and that's my point. And also I have a question. Then why foreigners are always weaker against Koreans if it comes to premier offline, which is the biggest events with huge prize of money? In online, they are not that bad compared to their vs Koreans in offline. Maybe they have trauma against Koreans in offline? Probably psychological factors can be one of reason. Or just Koreans are not serious in online as they do in main offline tournaments. I didn't watch Nations War 3 but Korean members were not top players at that time, Hydra was just a wcs player, PartinG didn't even participate GSL at that time, INnoVation was slumping very badly 0-4ed in SSL and lost by even playing coach Stork in Code A at that time. So I wouldn't say there's guarantee that Korea would have won NW3 even if it was offline. And to be honest, Koreans weren't that dominant in sc2 during WoL (many great foreigners such as IdrA and Stephano) Foreigners used to win a lot of tournaments vs top Koreans at that time. But since when Kespa arrived to sc2 scene, foreigners have won only 1 premier tournament vs top Kespa Koreans during whole HotS and LotV so far, which was Neeb in kespa cup 2016. (WCS and many other foreign events were where no Kespa players attended in 2016 cuz region lock by Blizzard) And right now, there's no more Kespa for sc2, but pre-Kespa players still beating foreigners in every important offline tournaments after Kespa teams have disbanded in sc2. And now they are practicing in same environment as foreigners. So, there is no more excuse for foreigners such as "Korean pros' team house and environment make them better players." I can see even foreigners saying Neeb's victory in Kespa cup was mainly cuz pvp and Koreans didn't know well about him. Then, when they will be able to beat top Koreans in premier events with their satisfactory form? Even tho I am Korean, I am starting to feel boring that Koreans winning every single tournaments they attend. And Blizzard made another region lock in 2017 to save foreigners from Korean money takers. And, it's not even funny anymore to be honest. And this time, I will cheer foreign teams. I hope they defeat team Korea in NW4 even tho I still think Korea will win in offline. So, it looks more competitive. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
-1 respect, Byun and Maru. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
I don't like that at all. You took away a spot from other players that could have needed the exposure a lot more, and then you drop out because of a tournament you knew was going to happen beforehand? That's a dick move. -1 respect, Byun and Maru. To me, "for GSL practice" is half excuse for them. Maru is just a pure lazy boy, it's really rare to see Maru participate foreign tournament since long ago, but when I see ByuN, he looks fairly friendly and an outgoing person in surface, but I personally think he is a person with mysticism, and doesn't like to be in unfamiliar place, and doesn't like to hanging out with other people, and like to be alone in most of time at home. And that's the reason why I think he even didn't accept Homestory Cup 13 invite during no schedule with GSL. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
On January 18 2017 19:31 TheHumanLife wrote: To me, "for GSL practice" is half excuse for them. Maru is just a pure lazy boy, it's really rare to see Maru participate foreign tournament since long ago, but when I see ByuN, he looks fairly friendly and an outgoing person in surface, but I personally think he is a person with mysticism, and doesn't like to be in unfamiliar place, and doesn't like to hanging out with other people, and like to be alone in most of time at home. And that's the reason why I think he even didn't accept Homestory Cup 13 invite during no schedule with GSL. False. Stop speculating. | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1711 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On January 18 2017 17:15 FrkFrJss wrote: I know there is a difference between online play and offline play, but the perception that one can disregard the online play to the extent that it is on this forum is just wrong. Some notable examples have been Neeb, Byun, and Nerchio, who have played very strongly online and then translated that to actual performance. Particularly Neeb and Byun, who hadn't competed much offline recently prior to 2016, performed extremely well online before doing well offline. Neeb and Byun are 2 players who did well online and translated that to good offline results. But how many players are there with good online results but lackluster offline performances? performing good online doesn't mean at all that the player will also play well offline. Nerchio is actually one of the best examples of that. went 6-0 against top koreans at shoutcraft kings - then got rekted at kespa cup, got rekted at blizzcon, got rekted at wesg. | ||
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