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Elentos
55560 Posts
Everyone rooting for Team Korea, do not fret, as Korea's substitute player is the highly unorthodox  sOs*, one of the most tricky and dangerous players in the world.The NationWars IV offline portion will take place on January 21st (this Saturday), be sure to tune in. *Korea's original substitute was Maru, who also withdrew from the competition 
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
 .Second replacement is still pretty good though. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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Elentos
55560 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On January 17 2017 05:22 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ahhh why no zerg replacement :D Solar would have been the next choice after Maru I think, but because of the Scarlett switch his group is now on the day NationWars is held. Dunno where soO landed in the poll, but definitely behind sauce. | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On January 17 2017 05:28 Elentos wrote: Solar would have been the next choice after Maru I think, but because of the Scarlett switch his group is now on the day NationWars is held. Dunno where soO landed in the poll, but definitely behind sauce. soO was just behind sOs. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
soO would've been so cool :/ | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
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insitelol
845 Posts
On January 17 2017 05:18 Elentos wrote: Everyone rooting for Team Korea, do not fret, as Korea's substitute player is the highly unorthodox sOs* Or may be its a Cucaracha sOs!!! | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
they are mortal now | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On January 17 2017 05:34 Seeker wrote: DAMN IT! I WOULD SO PREFER SOO OVER SOS! I mean how are we ever gonna convince Nazgul to make Liquid'soO happen if O'gaming doesn't rig the NationWars poll results to make sure we can see him outside of Korea? | ||
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gab12
Poland147 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Protoss has much harder times to be "save against anything" then other races I feel. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
edit: they have Inno does it really matter?? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Someone tell him it's worth $100k. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Inno gonna have to do the hard carry for Korea. Good thing he has plenty of experience with that. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On January 17 2017 09:00 JimSocks wrote: as much of a fan that i am. go all the way and bail? consider that for nationwars 5. shouldn't there be penalty or something for switching players at the end? What? Each team has a sub for that reason. It just so happens Korea has a lot of subs | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On January 17 2017 13:52 Inflicted wrote: Wished they got Solar or maybe even soO just so they could interview someone Do not worry we will have a famous translator :> | ||
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Wallenberg
203 Posts
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KappaKingPrime
United States468 Posts
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
On January 17 2017 18:15 Aeromi wrote: Do not worry we will have a famous translator :> John the Translator? *gasp* | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
He is the only famous translator imo, At least the only one I know for being a translator... | ||
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zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
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Trizztein1
28 Posts
(Biggest Kappa o'course) User was warned for this post | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
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rast
Poland44 Posts
Don't want to bash anyone, Byun definitely took a decision which is best for him, if it's GSL - than so be it. I would personally go all the way till the end, once I commit to participate in the tournament. I just like decisiveness . | ||
Poopi
France12905 Posts
Their line up is still super stacked .Hopefully this decision translates into tangible results for ByuN, so we get to see him play at least as much as if he played in offline NW. | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 18 2017 01:18 rast wrote: Didn't hi knew in December, that GSL groups would play out early January 2017? Don't want to bash anyone, Byun definitely took a decision which is best for him, if it's GSL - than so be it. I would personally go all the way till the end, once I commit to participate in the tournament. I just like decisiveness .I agree. I think some degree of bashing is called for here. BOOOO! Bad form. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
I guess that thrashing by Scarlett in the qualifiers really scared Byun... I guess he just couldn't face getting all-killed again. It doesn't make sense even with just a joke. We always cannot trust the online tournament results before offline tournaments happening. Apparently, it is completely different if it comes to offline. In online tournament, anyone can beat anyone in pro scene really no matter it's played on fair ping or same condition. But if it's offline tournament that Korean pros seriously care, they really rarely lose to Korean amateurs or even top foreigners. And we almost never see any top Korean amateurs make to GSL code S who used to beat many GSL champs in Korean online tournament. (at least NightMare made this time) Just look at Homestory Cup. 7 players were Koreans in ro 8 there, and only 2 Koreans were allowed in WESG and both of them made final with 3-0ing all the top foreigners (especially Maru never dropped a single map against any top foreigners there) | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Man the Koreans just have so much talent waiting in the wings. Enviable to be sure. Well they can make like 10 teams with all the Code S level players to compete for winning in Nations War. But they just only prepare their leagues such as GSL. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 18 2017 03:22 GumBa wrote: I wish it was a zerg I think we all do. You traitor. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On January 18 2017 12:48 ejozl wrote: They're not worse players, but the truth is Protoss can only do so well atm. I predict a Poland win. Poland has a Protoss, ergo they will automatically lose because Canada has a Two Zergs and a Terran, and Semper's TvP really looks on point lately. | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
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maitiky
Czech Republic54 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 18 2017 03:22 GumBa wrote: I wish it was a zerg What difference does it make to you we know you're just going to tune in to Innovation's games then complain about them | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
On January 18 2017 11:44 TheHumanLife wrote: Not true.In online tournament, anyone can beat anyone in pro scene really no matter it's played on fair ping or same condition. | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On January 18 2017 16:38 Jj_82 wrote: Not true. I know there is a difference between online play and offline play, but the perception that one can disregard the online play to the extent that it is on this forum is just wrong. Some notable examples have been Neeb, Byun, and Nerchio, who have played very strongly online and then translated that to actual performance. Particularly Neeb and Byun, who hadn't competed much offline recently prior to 2016, performed extremely well online before doing well offline. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Not true. yes it is true. I've seen Korean amatuers 2-0ing top GSL code S players in Korean online tournament. What I recently remember is one of Korean zerg amateur Mamuri beated ByuN in macro game, and one of terran amateur 2-0 Dark in huge upset in online. (can't remember, might be Soloist or Miso) And everyone knows they are not even code S level players. (or maybe Code S players are not that serious in online or minor tournaments as they do in GSL, cuz as you see ByuN and Maru decided not to participate in Nations War anymore for their GSL practice) I know there is a difference between online play and offline play, but the perception that one can disregard the online play to the extent that it is on this forum is just wrong. Some notable examples have been Neeb, Byun, and Nerchio, who have played very strongly online and then translated that to actual performance. Particularly Neeb and Byun, who hadn't competed much offline recently prior to 2016, performed extremely well online before doing well offline. of course it cannot be 100% disregarded. But, it is definitely not something to be treated same as offline. And top ladder rankers like Neeb and ByuN are exceptions. Especially, ByuN constantly beated top Koreans in online since when he was nobody. ByuN showed enough that he beated top players in online more than 20 time, and he proved enough that it is not something random results in online. But in general, random results can be more easily happened in online tournaments in pro scene and that's my point. And also I have a question. Then why foreigners are always weaker against Koreans if it comes to premier offline, which is the biggest events with huge prize of money? In online, they are not that bad compared to their vs Koreans in offline. Maybe they have trauma against Koreans in offline? Probably psychological factors can be one of reason. Or just Koreans are not serious in online as they do in main offline tournaments. I didn't watch Nations War 3 but Korean members were not top players at that time, Hydra was just a wcs player, PartinG didn't even participate GSL at that time, INnoVation was slumping very badly 0-4ed in SSL and lost by even playing coach Stork in Code A at that time. So I wouldn't say there's guarantee that Korea would have won NW3 even if it was offline. And to be honest, Koreans weren't that dominant in sc2 during WoL (many great foreigners such as IdrA and Stephano) Foreigners used to win a lot of tournaments vs top Koreans at that time. But since when Kespa arrived to sc2 scene, foreigners have won only 1 premier tournament vs top Kespa Koreans during whole HotS and LotV so far, which was Neeb in kespa cup 2016. (WCS and many other foreign events were where no Kespa players attended in 2016 cuz region lock by Blizzard) And right now, there's no more Kespa for sc2, but pre-Kespa players still beating foreigners in every important offline tournaments after Kespa teams have disbanded in sc2. And now they are practicing in same environment as foreigners. So, there is no more excuse for foreigners such as "Korean pros' team house and environment make them better players." I can see even foreigners saying Neeb's victory in Kespa cup was mainly cuz pvp and Koreans didn't know well about him. Then, when they will be able to beat top Koreans in premier events with their satisfactory form? Even tho I am Korean, I am starting to feel boring that Koreans winning every single tournaments they attend. And Blizzard made another region lock in 2017 to save foreigners from Korean money takers. And, it's not even funny anymore to be honest. And this time, I will cheer foreign teams. I hope they defeat team Korea in NW4 even tho I still think Korea will win in offline. So, it looks more competitive. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
-1 respect, Byun and Maru. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
I don't like that at all. You took away a spot from other players that could have needed the exposure a lot more, and then you drop out because of a tournament you knew was going to happen beforehand? That's a dick move. -1 respect, Byun and Maru. To me, "for GSL practice" is half excuse for them. Maru is just a pure lazy boy, it's really rare to see Maru participate foreign tournament since long ago, but when I see ByuN, he looks fairly friendly and an outgoing person in surface, but I personally think he is a person with mysticism, and doesn't like to be in unfamiliar place, and doesn't like to hanging out with other people, and like to be alone in most of time at home. And that's the reason why I think he even didn't accept Homestory Cup 13 invite during no schedule with GSL. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
On January 18 2017 19:31 TheHumanLife wrote: To me, "for GSL practice" is half excuse for them. Maru is just a pure lazy boy, it's really rare to see Maru participate foreign tournament since long ago, but when I see ByuN, he looks fairly friendly and an outgoing person in surface, but I personally think he is a person with mysticism, and doesn't like to be in unfamiliar place, and doesn't like to hanging out with other people, and like to be alone in most of time at home. And that's the reason why I think he even didn't accept Homestory Cup 13 invite during no schedule with GSL. False. Stop speculating. | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1711 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On January 18 2017 17:15 FrkFrJss wrote: I know there is a difference between online play and offline play, but the perception that one can disregard the online play to the extent that it is on this forum is just wrong. Some notable examples have been Neeb, Byun, and Nerchio, who have played very strongly online and then translated that to actual performance. Particularly Neeb and Byun, who hadn't competed much offline recently prior to 2016, performed extremely well online before doing well offline. Neeb and Byun are 2 players who did well online and translated that to good offline results. But how many players are there with good online results but lackluster offline performances? performing good online doesn't mean at all that the player will also play well offline. Nerchio is actually one of the best examples of that. went 6-0 against top koreans at shoutcraft kings - then got rekted at kespa cup, got rekted at blizzcon, got rekted at wesg. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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jimjimmie
13 Posts
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On January 19 2017 04:39 NinjaToss wrote: I wonder if sOs has enough time to get plane tickets/visa and stuff sorted in time for the tournament No worry, everything is fine. | ||
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FunKaDeLiC
France79 Posts
All things considered, I can understand their decision, it would mean for Byun to play his GSL group with a legit jetlag. I wish they would have kept the commitment they made when they registered but I'm also really hyped up about having sOs in the roster. Guy has a great aura ans is always a threat in all kill and bo1 format | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
False. Stop speculating. a foreigner got offended by a speculation | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On January 19 2017 06:47 TheHumanLife wrote: a foreigner got offended by a speculation The guy that answered you is the guy doing invites for HSC. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
The guy that answered you is the guy doing invited for HSC. I know, and who cares? He's a foreigner got offended by a pure speculation. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Uh now you're assuming he's offended. All he did was correct you. apparently he didn't say anything for correction. | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 19 2017 23:25 Elentos wrote: So what's the fee to get an "expert" translator? Never ask about the Bisu article ever again | ||
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Faefae
2203 Posts
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On January 19 2017 06:47 TheHumanLife wrote: a foreigner got offended by a speculation I like how you conveniently took out the fact that TAKE actually wrote that comment and to which commment he was replying lol. Do you want to be right that much? | ||
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waiting2Bbanned
United States154 Posts
We're obviously really sad to lose Byun, just wish the scheduling could be worked out better. All things considered, I can understand their decision, it would mean for Byun to play his GSL group with a legit jetlag. I wish they would have kept the commitment they made when they registered but I'm also really hyped up about having sOs in the roster. Apparently Scarlett, who has to play in GSL after Nationwars one day earlier than Byun (and some might argue in a tougher group) is not too scared to honor her commitment to Nationwars. Easy to see which one has actual balls | ||
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