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insitelol
845 Posts
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On January 07 2017 17:33 MockHamill wrote: I am surprised that Swarm Hosts are not addressed. You can not play mech at all in TvZ outside of cyclone/hellbats all-ins due to Swarm Hosts but I guess that is fine? Maybe you should grey out the build tank button in TvZ to help casual players? Regarding buffing Hydra hit point I think it is better to decrease liberator ground attack so that it 2-shots Hydras and 3 shots stalkers. This would solve problems in both TvZ and TvP without introducing problems in PvZ, something a Hydra buff would likely do. I second this. I've been hoping for this exact change since LOTV came out (something like 80 damage instead of 85, and give hydras 1 armor). It wouldn't affect he number of shots required to kill workers, tanks, queens, infestors, roaches, disruptors, immortals, colossi, zealots, adepts, high templars... But you wouldn't end up losing 3 stalkers to kill one liberator that already interrupts mining, simply because you didn't open stargate and didn't have blink yet. It's also an indirect buff to hydras that doesn't break tvz. Researching +1 air would bring them back to their current strength, which means this isn't a complete nerf in the later stage of the game. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On January 07 2017 22:37 Charoisaur wrote: They should replace apotheosis, galactic process and new gettysburgh with Overgrowth, Daybreak and Dusk towers. You mean Splitbreak and Split Towers. "But the 40min all tech all upgrade games are so unique!" | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
Were the maps not created and chosen by the community? I like new maps, because each map has his own strategies. I havent played on these maps yet. Most people dont like to change their playstyle, why we need a healthy mix of standard and special maps. When people complain about buffs and nerfs they forget that other peoples opinion matter too. Hydralisk buff was demanded by the community for a long time! Protoss adapts slowly. We know this already! There is really no reason to complain. Protoss was the weakest at the start of hots and was the strongest at the end! Blizzard will buff/nerf if necessary (as always). If you quit because of maps or balance. You would have quit anyway. Nobody quits because of minor changes. | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On January 08 2017 01:08 todespolka wrote: Please let us behave reasonable and mature! Were the maps not created and chosen by the community? I like new maps, because each map has his own strategies. I havent played on these maps yet. When people complain about buffs and nerfs they forget that other peoples opinion matter too. Hydralisk buff was demanded by the community for a long time! Protoss adapts slowly. We know this already! There is really no reason to complain. Protoss was the weakest at the start of hots and was the strongest at the end! Blizzard will buff/nerf if necessary (as always). If you quit because of maps or balance. You would have quit anyway. Nobody quits because of minor changes. Actually most people are pissed because of the 3 returning maps, not the new ones... | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
On January 08 2017 01:13 ArtyK wrote: Actually most people are pissed because of the 3 returning maps, not the new ones... I had a long break and started playing for 3 weeks regularly. I have no idea how these maps look or play out. Lets hope people overexaggerate. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
On January 08 2017 01:19 todespolka wrote: I had a long break and started playing for 3 weeks regularly. I have no idea how these maps look or play out. Lets hope people overexaggerate. They are not overexaggerating unfortunately. I usually don't veto maps because I like to practice on all maps but maybe we could all veto the maps as a protest. They would probably see stats showing it. | ||
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15866 Posts
On January 08 2017 01:22 Cosmos wrote: They are not overexaggerating unfortunately. I usually don't veto maps because I like to practice on all maps but maybe we could all veto the maps as a protest. They would probably see stats showing it. we had maps in the past that literally nobody played on like secret spring, dash and terminal, central protocol or dasan station and they didn't care. boycotting those maps wouldn't do anything. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16376 Posts
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
+10 hp on hydras is too much for the balance team to handle. It's past time for them to recognize they're incompetent and just take small steps. Don't make the same mistake we saw last month. | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
On January 08 2017 03:54 xTJx wrote: +10 hp on hydras is too much for the balance team to handle. You mean too much for protoss to handle. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
On January 08 2017 03:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: remove one of the Oracle spells in order to even up early/mid PvT. Jimmeh, why do you troll so much? PvT is heavily favored toward Terran right now, not Protoss. Nearly 6 in 10 high level PvT's are won by the Terran. The only time PvT has been more imbalanced was when HOTS was released. Removing spells from Protoss is not the answer. Source: http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ On January 07 2017 19:26 Alienship wrote: Whatever you want to do, David Kim, as long as you are happy, then the rest doesn't matter, eh? Seriously, after 6 years, this guy and his team are still struggling to make some reasonable changes. At first, Starcraft 2 was an embryo full of possibilities of greatness. After its birth, its competitive game play and new features seemed to promise a bright future. However, it wasn't born without flaws. Thus, to address existing congenital issues, the balance team brought in their creativity and the passion of "cool" features. The first few courses of treatment were generally successful. The child became stronger and its influence grew significantly. The health status of the Starcraft 2 was stable in the end of Heart of the Swarm, and he medical team seemed to be contented with the situation. Things took a downhill path in 2015, when the team was no longer satisfied with the child's competence. They strived for a "stronger" and "faster" version. Within limited amount of time, experimental enhancers (changes to the macro-game and old units, as well as new units such as adept, disruptor, liberator and cyclone) were introduced to the child without sufficient testing. The product is what we see today--a Frankenstein. Now it is the time for this mutated champion to demonstrate its greatness to e-sport. Whether this creation of mad science gains more popularity and acceptance around the world, we community know. Hopefully (but not very likely), the balance team are also aware of the situation. I would say the downturn happened in 2013, but that is an amazing post. SC2 was full of possibilities, but David made a lot of wrong turns, despite the fact the community provided him turn by turn directions. | ||
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icesergio
Italy31 Posts
These people have their heads up their asses, buff the hydras and I'm quitting forever. I'm sure nobody cares of what I say but there a lot of protoss players out there who have the same opinion as me, even pros. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
On January 08 2017 04:13 insitelol wrote: You mean too much for protoss to handle. At first yes, then the balance team would buff protoss in some retarded way and start the snowball of dumb changes to compensate. If you buff protoss against hydras, toss will shit on marines too. Blizzard would buff bio, which would break ZvT, and it just goes on and on. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16376 Posts
On January 08 2017 05:00 BronzeKnee wrote: Jimmeh, why do you troll so much? my percentage of troll posts is low. we can go through my last 50 if you like. there is too much air shenanigans in the game. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
On January 08 2017 08:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my percentage of troll posts is low. we can go through my last 50 if you like. there is too much air shenanigans in the game. No point. His posts on this thread are just pure butt-hurt driven fantasy. I quote That is how Blizzard works. "Omg the 4 gate is killing Terrans? Immediately nerf it!" "Ahh the 1-1-1 is destroying Protoss, meh, Protoss will figure it out eventually." Doesn't believe that the long months of blink stalker/MSC dominance of Terrans occurred before outrage finally made Blizzard correct the balance. Such blatant bias disqualifies his opinions. Sad to see Apotheosis in the map pool. | ||
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Skytale1i
31 Posts
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