WCS 2017 Announced - Page 15

On December 11 2016 03:31 gingerfluffmuff wrote:

My theory:
Nah, they cater to people like me who dont care about foreigners and personalities at all. People who subscribed to every GSL event since like 2011 and paid for watching SPL. (i really would like to know how many stopped spending money after the WCS 2016 system).

I just dont get it why they dont just kill korea sc2. The hardcore skill fans should be decimated after the SPL team implosion. All 3 parts are released and i bet people spend still money on mission packs and dlcs withouth korea.

On December 11 2016 17:07 Ansibled wrote:

Well first of all, 'In Korea' has nothing to do with foreign events because unsurprisingly they are not in Korea.

They aren't slowly cutting down Korean player participation in foreign tournaments. It's the same. If Koreans really wanted to play in the foreign circuit, they can if they acquire a visa. Polt and TRUE won WCS circuit championships last year. They shifted money from foreign tournaments into global events which Koreans will take most of. Korea still has its own events which foreigeners won't compete in. I didn't know the concept of a weeked event was particularly confusing.

I swear people just enjoy being mad.

On December 12 2016 02:21 aQuaSC wrote:

Well I hope he has a reason to go public with it after half a year since the tournament, was he told that he's not going to get it? I'd be reserved for now with it being 'alarming', we had enough of overreactions

On December 12 2016 01:31 BaneRiders wrote:
I've been thinking a bit more about the whole situation for the coming two years:

1. I do not understand why Blizzard is pumping so much money into Korea, where people still prefer BW it seems. Either it is a very golden handshake with the feeble hope that SC2 will get popular in the meantime, or there is some other kind of business interest I don't see (someone mentioned keeping the interest of OW, which could be it, though it sounds far fetched to me).

On December 12 2016 02:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:

The winner? I only see losers tbh

On December 11 2016 18:55 mrarthursimon wrote:


Or maybe, just maybe, those Koreans should, I don't know, move away from Korea and into another region to be competitive. But no, that's not something we should make our delicate Korean snowflakes to do. That's only what we make those dirty foreigners do.

The level of cognitive dissonance must be astounding.

The Korean scene, in it's current form (not forever) needs to die. It was never good, not for the players, not for the coaches, and not for the game. It was built around keeping financial powerhouse corporations in the public eye for advertising revenue, and it was made with the assistance of a government organization to be that way. Look at what happened when a single tournament decided to go away. Just one. 6 teams implode. Why? Because without the primary way to advertise the backing corporations, they all pulled their money out into places where peoples eyes were going.

That's not what we need for Starcraft. Not one bit. We don't want fickle investors that will shift their revenue when the slightest blip in the numbers come, so they can get maximum reach for their advertising dollars. We need organizations that are willing to invest, but don't need a large or immediate return on investment. That means their investments will be smaller, and as such we need more of those investors.

Say what you want about BaseTradeTV, but they have done a wonderful job of getting sponsors that don't need them to have insane ROI, they have realistic and achievable goals from each sponsor and they negotiate down sponsorship money so that they can actually renew their sponsors rather than set an unrealistic goal and have their sponsors bail when they don't reach it. They also communicate those sponsorship goals to their viewers, which makes the relationship dynamic between the 3 parties all the more viable, because fans don't feel duped into buying or watching ads for a product that doesn't actually care about investing in the scene. That's the kind of grassroots, community development that is needed in order for Korea to come back, better than before, stronger than before, and longer lasting with more benefits for the players than before.

Some of the ways that the pro teams treated their players, that quite a few posters on TL get so wet about, was despicable. While the concept of practice partners is nice, the fact that they would have entire rosters of players that wouldn't get high salary, wouldn't get any chance to advance because they were only there to bolster and improve those that were better than them, and were basically treated like garbage. That's not how we should treat the players in our scene. And that's the infrastructure that is lauded and praised.

That was a broken infrastructure and I'm glad to see it go. I'm sad because of the consequences. But I'm not at all sad to see the dismantling of Kespa's control over SC2. They intentionally stifled the scene, they intentionally refused to work with foreigner teams and organizations that kept requesting Korean talent. But yeah, let's just blame everything on Blizzard.




I find it hilarious that you have no reading comprehension skills. Did you read my post? No? Okay then. You cherry picked. All of what I'm about to say, i already said. I'll wait for your rebuttal which probably will never come because you just want to be angry instead of attempting to find solutions.

No one said it was easy. People are saying there is something preventing Koreans from playing in the circuit and in reality, while there are obstacles, just as there are obstacles for foreigners playing on Korean soil in GSL, it's not impossible, just like it isn't for foreigners to play in GSL.

What's your stance on foreign participation in GSL? Should whoever is running GSL provide housing for the foreign players that come there? Or should the individual be responsible for months of housing while they participate in a tournament that plays out matches daily, but takes weeks to complete a round?

If your answer is "The foreigner should front all of it on their own" then you're a hypocrite.

Look at TRUE, Violet, Polt. All Koreans. All got visas. All participated in the circuit. Just like with foreigners it's drive, determination, and money that prevents them from being able to do so. But unlike with foreigners, it's not a waste for Koreans to do so unless they're in the top 1% of players in their region.



And even though residency wasn't a requirement, there was an influx of Koreans to the EU scene that actually lived and played there, and why, I feel, right now the EU scene is stronger than the NA scene on average while the NA scene has a few exceptional players that can out perform EU players. EU is just STUFFED with talent though.

Hell, look at ForGG, who is the shining example I can think of off the top of my head. He moved to Europe in 2013 and lived there until 2015. He didn't have to. But he choose to so that he could be closer to the people in the region that he choose to compete inside of. So clearly this is somthing that can, and has, happened. The questions we should be asking and answering are 1) why isn't it happening now and 2) how can we, as the community, make this into a reality for 2017?