Nation Wars 4 Announced

On December 08 2016 04:08 ArtyK wrote:
Korea wants revenge! I hope they get ByuN to play :D

On December 08 2016 04:43 toinewx wrote:
i don't get it, how can a foreign team beat INnoVation + Byun ? Good Luck with that PogChamp

On December 08 2016 04:43 toinewx wrote:
i don't get it, how can a foreign team beat INnoVation + Byun ? Good Luck with that PogChamp

i guess the grand final is offline this time. Hopefully, it's not full online again so Kr team doesn't get disadvantage with ping and dawn time. If it's online again, then foreigners definitely have chance to take down Kr team.

On December 08 2016 04:58 TheHumanLife wrote:
i guess the grand final is offline this time. Hopefully, it's not full online again so Kr team doesn't get disadvantage with ping and dawn time like last time. If it's online again, then foreigners definitely have chance to take down Kr team.

To be honest, if this tournament go full offline, I don't see any foreign team beating Kr team even Kr send their tier 2 players.

and the winner of the most biaised comment award December 2016 is......
i guess the grand final is offline this time. Hopefully, it's not full online again so Kr team doesn't get disadvantage with ping and dawn time. If it's online again, then foreigners definitely have chance to take down Kr team.


Congratz buddy

It was supposed to be last time too I think.

On December 08 2016 05:14 TheHumanLife wrote:


Nope. It was all online in Nation wars 3.

They cancelled the offline finals and semis after the ticket sales suffered due to the November 2015 terror attacks, but it was originally planned to be offline.

On December 08 2016 05:13 TheHumanLife wrote:


Not even closed to be bias I am just saying truth. KR team had to play in 5-7 AM at KR time without sleeping and play with other server with bad ping which give them a lot of disadvantage. How's that bias? I thought only foreigners are incredibly bias to their players vs korean players.

On December 08 2016 05:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:

Now he'll get to tackle schedule issues instead of just complaining about them

They played on NA so they had the same lag as MarineLorD

Not even closed to be bias I am just saying truth. KR team had to play in 5-7 AM at KR time without sleeping and play with other server with bad ping which give them a lot of disadvantage. How's that bias? I thought only foreigners are incredibly bias to their players vs korean players.

On December 08 2016 06:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:

Ya but I don't watch OGaming so I don't know if he's good at it or not

On December 08 2016 06:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:

Ya but I don't watch OGaming so I don't know if he's good at it or not

On December 08 2016 06:13 Aeromi wrote:

Adds live producer for the English cast too.

Anyway guys, if you have questions feel free to ask.


France and Korea are invited, 14 nations will qualify.

Completely depends on where in EU you are and if it's NA West, Central or East. The statement that the ping from EU to NA is better than KR to NA in general is not true.

Games were played on NA Central which is the fairest server. We could not do better.

On December 08 2016 06:49 TheHumanLife wrote:



I am not saying it's the fault of O'gaming at all. If it was not even NA west, and played on NA Central, then it is where France is way closer than from Korea. Just look at google map. Even NA west looks much fair for both side than NA central...

Looking at maps can be very misleading due to how ASes are distributed, but I would argue that NA West is probably the "fairest" server for Korea vs France. But if you look at European countries in general NA West favors Korea slightly, whereas NA Central favors Europe, but even then it can vary a lot for individuals.

On December 08 2016 07:04 TheHumanLife wrote:


NA west favors korea, but only about 1/20 difference. But in NA central, France is 1/3 closer than from Korea. Which one do you think is more fair?

Can't you read? I said that NA West is generally the fairest for Korea vs France, but that this isn't the case for all EU countries. And since the specific ISP and location of the individual players has a large impact on the latency, figuring out what is "fairest" in each case is problematic which is why they just go for NA Central as a general rule.

On December 08 2016 06:43 TheHumanLife wrote:


obviously, France is one of the most closet country to NA. And any EU countries are much closer to America than from Korea. It is very true in general.

These are approximates from some random site i found online but it roughly checks out. For actual sc2, add about 30-50ms. But it's to prove a point.

WEST
Seoul to LA = ~137ms
LA to Amsterdam = ~144ms

Central
Austin? Dallas? I have no clue where the US central server is located but lets just assume Austin as a decent centerpoint). A bit biased towards EU. Central might be fair though for Eastern Europe vs KR.

US East
clearly favored towards most, if not all of EU in an EU vs KR match.

US West is hardly biased towards anyone, if anything it might be tougher for Europeans that aren't as close to the atlantic subsea cables. KR to US West is in general not the worst out there, I'd say EU players have a higher chance of being screwed over by a slow/crappy route especially if you're living in the eastern parts of Europe.

So if you want to be nice, the further east someone from Europe plays, the more fair it is to play on US Central, or do WEST-CENTRAL-WEST rotations.

Personally I play from Oslo, Norway -> US West and I get about 170ms. Most likely slightly higher than Seoul -> US West.

France vs KR is probably best played on US West.

On December 08 2016 07:32 Liquid`Snute wrote:

Glad to see this brought up.

These are approximates from some random site i found online but it roughly checks out. For actual sc2, add about 30-50ms. But it's to prove a point.

WEST
Seoul to LA = ~137ms
LA to Amsterdam = ~144ms

Central
Austin? Dallas? I have no clue where the US central server is located but lets just assume Austin as a decent centerpoint). A bit biased towards EU. Central might be fair though for Eastern Europe vs KR.

US East
clearly favored towards most, if not all of EU in an EU vs KR match.

US West is hardly biased towards anyone, if anything it might be tougher for Europeans that aren't as close to the atlantic subsea cables. KR to US West is in general not the worst out there, I'd say EU players have a higher chance of being screwed over by a slow/crappy route especially if you're living in the eastern parts of Europe.

So if you want to be nice, the further east someone from Europe plays, the more fair it is to play on US Central, or do WEST-CENTRAL-WEST rotations.

Personally I play from Oslo, Norway -> US West and I get about 170ms. Most likely slightly higher than Seoul -> US West.

France vs KR is probably best played on US West.

On December 08 2016 07:43 TheHumanLife wrote:



Well I realized I was wrong about general fact that EU is closer to NA than KR right after I saw google map. If it was KR vs Ukraine or Finland, it would be fair match to played on NA central.

Look at a network tool, not a map. Maps aren't too far off when it comes to EU-NA and KR-NA, but they can be when you look at other parts of the world. For example Brazil-NA is noticeably worse than a map tells you.

On December 08 2016 07:54 TheHumanLife wrote:


it doesn't give u much difference about distance and connection, but it can be clear information. And I am surprised France actually has even bit better connection than from Korea in US west.

On December 08 2016 07:59 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Thanks ZigguratOfUr if Central is Chicago then that makes central a bit more rough for players from KR.



I don't know what the actual ping (in-game, not in the menu screen) from KR to West/Central is like in practice sadly. At the end of the day it's important to ask players what their actual in-game values are IMO. And the only way to get reliable values is to load up SC2, be in a custom game on the correct server for 2 minutes and then read the CTRL-F values in the top left.

On December 08 2016 08:43 ParksonVN wrote:
Its funny how people still think foreingers have chance to take down the team with monsters like Innivation, Byun, Dark, Zest...

On December 08 2016 09:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:

I mean France won last time dude

On December 08 2016 10:34 FrkFrJss wrote:


Was it MarineLord playing really well or Korea just playing really bad?

Not to mention Innovation and Zest are nowhere near the monsters they once were. They're still good, but I would put Dark and Byun above them by a decent margin.

On December 08 2016 14:59 stuchiu wrote:
I wonder if I can get Has all 3 slots for Taiwan

On December 08 2016 22:37 ZiggyPG wrote:
Are they going to delay the tournament as much as possible during the finals so koreans get tired and underperform again?

On December 09 2016 01:25 CrayonSc2 wrote:
No offense to the last american contestants but can we vote for the top ones to represent murica?!

On December 09 2016 04:11 AbouSV wrote:
Wait, will Stephano be up for France or Tunisia now?

On December 11 2016 15:06 sigmichael wrote:

Do you think Tunisia can form a team? However, they might be able to form Team Africa

On December 11 2016 15:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


Even if Africa were a single nation, I'm not sure there are three or four GMs in it. There's Stephano, Drager...anyone else?

On December 13 2016 08:09 Rehio wrote:
I believe in DJHelium. Also, I wish there were more options in Mexico.

And where are you, Catz? ;_;

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On December 13 2016 11:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I really like terran, but i don't want to see three terrans for korea -.-
Cmon we need terran, zerg and toss in that case

On December 13 2016 16:03 Asturas wrote:
Some players are missing unfortunately (Elfi, Catz, Dark...) and I also don't understand popularity of some others. Like Stephano for example - come on, France has much better players nowadays. Same with Maru - one of my favourite Koreans of all time, but Zest and Solar are in better form imo.
Also, I am not sure if Mana should be 3rd Polish representative. Elazer and Nerchio, these are obvious choices, but Mana is without form for a long time now

An finally, Nathanias is 3rd for USA? What a f.... He is great streamer, but that is just stupid...

On December 13 2016 08:14 Solar424 wrote:
Bulgaria with more players than Canada ._.
Also, where is Elfi to carry Finland to glory?

On December 13 2016 20:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:

More people want to see good games than just their own country winning I guess.

On December 13 2016 20:47 opisska wrote:


Are you seriously suggesting that SC2 fans are being reasonable?! What has the world come to ...

On December 14 2016 02:33 Penev wrote:
I voted Has

On December 14 2016 02:34 opisska wrote:


Are you a Yoda cat?

On December 14 2016 02:20 opisska wrote:
What is the point of voting for countries where only three people are available?

On December 15 2016 06:05 Musicus wrote:

You can't just comment like that and not adress Guru!!!

Edit: Too many irregular votes confirmed.

http://nationwars.tv/news.html

On December 15 2016 06:15 Nerchio wrote:

Still totally unfair - he shouldn't be responsible for any voting done. The votes should be removed or if they can't find out which are not regular then some other way

Sure it's a tough situation. Still, i bet if the same would happen with big names they wouldn't be banned. At the end of the day it doesn't matter though because let's be real: he wouldn't have a realistic chance anyway

On December 15 2016 10:21 Kafka777 wrote:

The way votes were going Guru would have 1st place in Poland by many percentage points (some were already deducted yesterday). So what do you mean by "realistic"?

On December 20 2016 17:00 VHbb wrote:
Wait.. do they play somewhere, or is it online only? I'm in Paris right now.. :D