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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
On August 16 2016 02:02 WhosQuany wrote: Its a retarded ForceFieldStorm (trust me nobody wants this) from a unit that Protoss doesn´t need and never needed (designed to counter Broodlords) I don't want it as well but it looks really strong on paper | ||
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Gullis
Sweden740 Posts
(not whining just clarifying  ) | ||
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
On August 16 2016 02:03 Isualin wrote: I don't want it as well but it looks really strong on paper Of course its strong but i think this would be to much... a death ball A-Move Protoss army splashing storms Force-fields and now this BS? pls no | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On August 15 2016 18:12 Grumbels wrote: Myeah, but it wasn't really a serious attempt and they had been removing other upgrades around that time. The small attack speed increase was mostly for show too. But it's true that the widow mine seemed a superior alternative better suited to SC2's quick pace and the demands of bio armies. The game is actually full of units that have been overshadowed by their younger, more attractive cousins. It's not at all obvious what should be done with them (send them to a farm upstate?). It was fairly serious, those two together were great buffs. It's just that the spotlight was stolen by the warhound (which was poorly designed from the start, highly mobile t2 unit that cost effectively countered every single unit and composition), the widow mine and the hellbat. All three of these units were tuned to be too strong and then removed / toned down over the years. Tank has been on the weaker side for a while. Come LOTV they saw that the tank and its styles were performing badly and chose to give it a lot of mobility instead of giving it the ability to fight better which was a mistake IMO and one that they're going back on now with these changes | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On August 16 2016 02:03 Gullis wrote: But with splash and uppgrades they pretty much 2 shot them yeah as soon as t has +1 attack it's a guaranteed 2 shot | ||
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Sweetness.751
United States225 Posts
On August 16 2016 02:00 opisska wrote: That will leave the hydras with 1 hp after two shots due to regeneration BOOM I'll be looking for that apology letter in my PM folder later today. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On August 16 2016 02:13 Sweetness.751 wrote: BOOM I'll be looking for that apology letter in my PM folder later today. Tanks fire instantly and perfectly simultaneously (with no travel time). It's quite likely that two tanks shooting at the same target can kill it before any regen occurs but i'm not sure if this happens or not | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On August 16 2016 02:15 Cyro wrote: Tanks fire instantly and perfectly simultaneously (with no travel time). It's quite likely that two tanks shooting at the same target can kill it before any regen occurs but i'm not sure if this happens or not With the upgrades it becomes a pretty academic point, but I would still find it interesting if someone would be able to make a comparison how a flock of hydras fares against a group of tanks with regeneration on/off (I have no idea how to change stuff like that and even if I had, I am too lazy to be bothered  ) | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1149 Posts
I only played bio vs toss, but I quit playing entirely after mech went extinct vT / vZ. can't wait to test these changes and learn a whole new meta! | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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Sweetness.751
United States225 Posts
On August 16 2016 02:15 Cyro wrote: Tanks fire instantly and perfectly simultaneously (with no travel time). It's quite likely that two tanks shooting at the same target can kill it before any regen occurs but i'm not sure if this happens or not Yes it will be quite likely (typically the 1st Hydra that walks in), but it nevertheless will always be the extreme exception, not the rule. Edit: Zerg units regen instantly upon taking damage so regardless of how its broken down, you need to do 81 damage to kill a Hydra. Not to mention, you are complaining about the interaction between Hydras vs Tanks. Do you also complain about Immortals when you build Roaches or Banelings when you build Zerglings? There are just some units that perform poorly versus another. The real problem I see is that you seem to think the answer to Tanks are...... mass Hydras. Maybe build some Roaches to absorb the initial volleys, some Zerglings. You may just discover that spamming one unit is not how an RTS should work. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Sweetness.751
United States225 Posts
On August 16 2016 02:31 Sweetness.751 wrote: Yes it will be quite likely (typically the 1st Hydra that walks in), but it nevertheless will always be the extreme exception, not the rule. Edit: Zerg units regen instantly upon taking damage so regardless of how its broken down, you need to do 81 damage to kill a Hydra. Not to mention, you are complaining about the interaction between Hydras vs Tanks. Do you also complain about Immortals when you build Roaches or Banelings when you build Zerglings? There are just some units that perform poorly versus another. The real problem I see is that you seem to think the answer to Tanks are...... mass Hydras. Maybe build some Roaches to absorb the initial volleys, some Zerglings. You may just discover that spamming one unit is not how an RTS should work. Mispost please delete | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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parkufarku
882 Posts
I know which game I'm uninstalling and unsubscribing on Youtube on. User was warned for this post | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
Unlike in brood war where any tank in range would fire, effectively over killing that unit. So if you shuttled in a few zelots into range, just before sending your army you could kind of mitigate the dmg received of the first volley or so, while the rest of your army gap closed. We'll see how it goes, though i think that something to consider with how powerful the new tanks will be. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 16 2016 03:13 parkufarku wrote: Too much unjustified Terran buffs when they are already the strongest race. Ugh. I know which game I'm uninstalling and unsubscribing on Youtube on. Lol I ain't never seen someone comaplin than Terran is the best race, not since WoL or the mech era at the end of HoTS | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On August 15 2016 01:44 Solar424 wrote: I don't even care if none of these changes get put in: the fact that they are even being considered shows that David Kim has no idea what he is doing. How he has not been replaced yet is one of the great mysteries of the universe. Why so salty? I think, Dayvie and his team have some great ideas of their own, combined with some of the better player feedback. | ||
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Deleted User 132135
702 Posts
On August 16 2016 03:13 parkufarku wrote: Too much unjustified Terran buffs when they are already the strongest race. Ugh. I know which game I'm uninstalling and unsubscribing on Youtube on. This is not about balance. It is about a new direction of game design. Balance takes place after that has happened, not now. | ||
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