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TheWildShooter
79 Posts
I'm just gonna summarize some of the most important changes of Cyclone: OLD -> NEW Supply: 4 -> 3 HP: 120 -> 180 Range: 5 -> 6 DPS: 18 -> 30 (+30 vs armored) As for DPS, even Liberators in defender mode have 53,125 DPS, and they want to give Cyclone 60 DPS vs armored. And they can be reactored... #LegacyOfTheJoke P.S. numbers for DPS are given in Blizzard seconds | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
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Meeii
155 Posts
On August 15 2016 18:21 WhosQuany wrote: .. Dark Templar: Don't know about giving them "Blink" doesn't feel right How about not having a Dark Shrine for the requirement of Dark Templar Remove Dark Shrine like in BW Dark Templar can be built from Templar Archives this way an you never now if a Protoss is going Storm or getting Dark Templar or both .. Joking.... right? DT is such a bullshit unit and can simply win the game on the spot just because the opponent lack detection. With lower requirements you better just build turrents everywhere because you never know if he may build one and you lack energy for scans. | ||
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TheWildShooter
79 Posts
I thought cyclones would be changed to counter ultras. What is the dps a 3-3 cyclone would have against a 7-3 ultra now? If you are considering situation where ultras have +3 armor and chitinous plating then cyclones will do 5 dps vs ultras without +3 attack, and 10 dps with +3 attack. Yeah, cyclones won't counter ultras, but for this task you will have tanks and liberators, and ghosts. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
 Never thought they would go ahead and make huge changes like these.Then after a careful read... Feels like protoss gets the shaft yet again, with terran and zergs buffs across the board while toss gets blink DTs (lolwat) and slightly faster zealots. People hate DTs already, and giving a gimmick unit a gimmick ability is redundant. Tempests get a new ability that replaces the long range attack vs ground, which means their role stays the exact same. With buffed tanks, cyclones, hydras and banes... Blink DTs is not what protoss needs. What protoss needs is the shade ability for zealots. Edit: Oh yeah cyclone numbers will be tweaked no doubt, so they aren't blatantly OP. Probably also increase the cost. | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
And mass cyclone incoming, warhound much? | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 15 2016 19:38 Salteador Neo wrote: Then after a careful read... Feels like protoss gets the shaft yet again, with terran and zergs buffs across the board while toss gets blink DTs (lolwat) and slightly faster zealots. People hate DTs already, and giving a gimmick unit a gimmick ability is redundant. Tempests get a new ability that replaces the long range attack vs ground, which means their role stays the exact same. DT blink isn't a gimmick. It's essentially a way to maintain your DTs even if the Terran scanned your stuff. Basically making DTs not a one-trick-pony anymore. | ||
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Xsyq
143 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3365 Posts
On August 15 2016 19:21 TheWildShooter wrote: It's funny how no one noticed that cyclones are getting insane buffs, which in current version will make this unit OP. I'm just gonna summarize some of the most important changes of Cyclone: OLD -> NEW Supply: 4 -> 3 HP: 120 -> 180 Range: 5 -> 6 DPS: 18 -> 30 (+30 vs armored) As for DPS, even Liberators in defender mode have 53,125 DPS, and they want to give Cyclone 60 DPS vs armored. And they can be reactored... #LegacyOfTheJoke P.S. numbers for DPS are given in Blizzard seconds While I don't doubt you that the new Cyclone is most likely too powerful, the power of the old Cyclone came solely from the Lock-On ability which is now removed vs Ground. First of all this needs to be tested first, but I would prefer weaker numbers and then give them turret-tracking, like Immortals and Siege Tanks. On August 15 2016 19:43 StatixEx wrote: all these changes are great when a player just won a major tourney building nothing but lings and banes and counter attacking . . LOL, Dat 40 hp Baneling tho..  | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On August 15 2016 19:45 KeksX wrote: DT blink isn't a gimmick. It's essentially a way to maintain your DTs even if the Terran scanned your stuff. Basically making DTs not a one-trick-pony anymore. Dt+WP achieves that goal with more skill involved. | ||
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Wohodix
France34 Posts
I dont see the point of destroying the whole actual meta, when people have not figure out anything yet. I feel they do BIG CHANGES to please all the people who loose their game and think it is because their is some OP stupid units, when there is lots of tools to improve instead of complaining in thread. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On August 15 2016 20:14 RaFox17 wrote: Dt+WP achieves that goal with more skill involved. My thoughts exactly. DTs and every protoss unit can already have pseudo blink thanks to ranged prism pickup. So the proposed idea is even more redundant. And the DT is a gimmicky harass unit, not a core one. Why would anyone research blink for them instead of just making a prism, that costs only minerals and has many more uses. Change zealot "leg upgrade" from charge+speed to (adept)shade+speed. Now that would be useful to the melee unit that keeps getting bullied by adepts, terran bio and roach/ravager/hydra/fungal. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On August 15 2016 18:01 MiCroLiFe wrote: about time terran got a patch  zerg been 2 stronk in lotvAccording to terran's whine only, not according to statistic. If T mech become a thing, considering how easy it's to play mech a lot of P/Z will probably switch terran and the ladder will become de TvT fest. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
I'm also disappointed that if they're considering such radical changes, they aren't re-envisioning the adept and warp prism. (Full disclosure: I say all this from a spectator's view, not as someone who plays the game.) | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 15 2016 18:43 Isualin wrote: I think this ability could be utilized really well. 13 cast range, 14 dps for 32 seconds and 43 second cooldown(~75% uptime) I think they're probably going to heavily nerf this ability because it's like a force field storm. It has no friendly fire, which means that it counters the broodlord/corruptor/viper comp. Stalkers will be much stronger against broodlords with a psi storm shield doing 14 dps against everything on the ground around it. Late-game ling based compositions will also be heavily nerfed because lings only last for three seconds against a non-friendly fire storm. Also means that you can't mine for 32 seconds or your entire mineral line is super wiped. Or against counter attacks, a tempest or two can protect almost a probe line. Against Terran I don't think it's as powerful, but it does mean that heavy bio/liberator comps will be a bit easier to deal with since the bio won't be able to cover exposed liberators as easily. There are so many ways you could use this spell that I don't really think it will have anywhere near the same damage and/or duration in its final interation. | ||
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Disciple7seveN
France28 Posts
Imo the infestor buff and the zealot buff are the most ridiculous... | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
On August 15 2016 20:24 Wohodix wrote: I dont like this. I dont see the point of destroying the whole actual meta, when people have not figure out anything yet. I feel they do BIG CHANGES to please all the people who loose their game and think it is because their is some OP stupid units, when there is lots of tools to improve instead of complaining in thread. The game in its current state simply isn't as fun or dynamic as it could/should be. Who cares about the meta if there is nobody left to play the game? A lot of these changes could lead to better games and a lot more enjoyable play all around. Staying the course no matter how balanced the game is doesn't help because the game in its current form lacks potential and is frustrating in so many ways. Does this fix it? Probably not because they won't be ballsy enough to go through with major changes but if they do they could get this thing going the right way while there is still a player base to support it. | ||
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ihatevideogames
570 Posts
LOTV economy ensures that you will never actually see a turtle game on a pro level. You might get the occasional turtle mech ladder game on New Gettysburg, but that's more because of the map than anything else. | ||
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PressureSC2
122 Posts
These changes definitely have the potential to make the game great again, and what I had hoped LOTV would bring !! | ||
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